Mugello predictions, practice, and .....-fest

Garbin said:

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Think the bike is running virtually a stock engine



Go HECTOR !

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seems like you were spot on Willski.

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He may only have 1797 posts, but he's only been wrong 0 times.



Hector had a fantastic qual. I think all the .... other riders have been giving him has motivated him to show them he can perform a fast lap on his own. Both fast laps he was clear of anybody around, and I'll add, he probably would have been faster except Espargaro balked in in the last sector, otherwise he might have been on pole. That is NO ......... Anybody interested, watch his last lap again. I'll say this again, Hector was balked on his third row qualifying lap by Alexis Espargaro, otherwise we might have seen the guy on pole/ Did we see any reactions on the track or hear about it in the post qual conference? Had that been another rider, they might have tired to ram Espargaro on the cool down lap. Let me be clear, Barbera is on the worst (same as Karel) DuCRT on the grid. Nobody on a "prototype" would want to trade bikes with him. Even on his fast lap the bike looked like it would come apart (again, cue up the video). I'm not happy about Nicky being edged out by Hector, but I'm thinking his factory teammate should be a bit more embarrassed. Every rider with few exceptions, take shots at Hector, while he has been near the factory squad all year. Cal has been the harshest on Hector, much to my amusement, but honestly, where would Cal be if he swapped seats with Hector this year? Lorenzo put up a funny pitboard dig at Hector, where would Lorenzo be if he swapped seats with him? Serious question. Btw, Hector has jokes of his own, Lorenzo stopped at pit lane and Hector pulled up behind him, then followed him out, hahaha. Maybe he got close enough to Lorenzo to turn off the 'go fast now' switch which apparently gave Jlo problems on his las lap. I think Hector showed a lot of motivation and talent today, and I'll add, class.

Jumkie said:

He man only have 1797 posts, but he's only been wrong 0 times.



Hector had a fantastic qual. I think all the .... other riders have been giving him has motivated him to show them he can perform a fast lap on his own. Both fast laps he was clear of anybody around, and I'll add, he probably would have been faster except Espargaro balked in in the last sector, otherwise he might have been on pole. That is NO ......... Anybody interested, watch his last lap again. I'll say this again, Hector was balked on his third row qualifying lap by Alexis Espargaro, otherwise we might have seen the guy on pole/ Did we see any reactions on the track or hear about it in the post qual conference? Had that been another rider, they might have tired to ram Espargaro on the cool down lap. Let me be clear, Barbera is on the worst (same as Karel) DuCRT on the grid. Nobody on a "prototype" would want to trade bikes with him. Even on his fast lap the bike looked like it would come apart (again, cue up the video). I'm not happy about Nicky being edged out by Hector, but I'm thinking his factory teammate should be a bit more embarrassed. Every rider with few exceptions, take shots at Hector, while he has been near the factory squad all year. Cal has been the harshest on Hector, much to my amusement, but honestly, where would Cal be if he swapped seats with Hector this year? Lorenzo put up a funny pitboard dig at Hector, where would Lorenzo be if he swapped seats with him? Serious question. Btw, Hector has jokes of his own, Lorenzo stopped at pit lane and Hector pulled up behind him, then followed him out, hahaha. Maybe he got close enough to Lorenzo to turn off the 'go fast now' switch which apparently gave Jlo problems on his las lap. I think Hector showed a lot of motivation and talent today, and I'll add, class.

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Couldnt have put that any better 100% agree,good honest post that, nice one Jumkie

povol said:

25 mph slower than front runners = dangerous. No business on the same track.

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I realize you only take your analysis from a scoring sheet, so then I'd direct you to the final qual data. A couple of Stoner fans mentioned that the Duc was now the best bike as it had recorded the fastest trap speeds (as a joke). Colin Edwards was clocked at 326 kph, yet he is sitting at 19th, almost dead last to Pedtrucci (who is the latest enemy of the state). They are separated by a tenth in lap time, yet a difference of 23 kph. Btw, Edwards is one of the fastest CRTs (in terms of speed trap times). Again, you would point out speed in the ignorant way you are accustom. But let me further the point. The difference between Edwards speed and Stoners is 12 kph. I can show you race winners who have won the race with that kind of speed deficit.



I realize you are desperate to defend and justify Stoner's behavior in attempting to dangerously push on Pedrucci, but after their clarification about it, this was totally unacceptable by Casey. I say clarification, because when I first saw Stoner's move, I thought Casey did this unintentionally. But after their exchange of words, it seems it was in fact intentional. After looking at it again, with the knowledge that it was an intentional move, then I would have to say its a mini version of what Sofaglu did to Forret, yes, maybe not as animated, but within the same conversation. It was clearly some retaliation and frustration on Stoner's part that surfaced. He even said Pedrucci had some move that was not caught on camera for us to judge (similar to the Wss incident) that had upset Stoner. Pedrucci is certainly on a slower bike, but he's also rightfully on the track.



Now, i will agree with you that there are two distinct categories which should or should not be on the same track at the same time. If that is the point you want to make, I'd be happy to debate it with you.



I'm a rarity among my friends, in that I want Casey to do well because when he does its a big FU to Dorna and their corruption. But these incidents have to be called out for what they are. Sure, there is a massive double standard applied to Casey against his other rivals and past "rivals", but when Stoner does something that should be called out, not to do so just makes you look stupid (not that you need my help).

It's getting pretty embarssing for Rossi but i am happy that things are not working for him at all because i don't want him to sign for Ducati again and waste another year. I seriously think that his Strong points and Ducati's strong points doesn't gel togather. Hopefully he can sign with Yamaha again and if not then retirement, watching him fighting for 9 or 10 place every race is no fun.



BTW his race pace is not too bad and i think he be will top Ducati rider again this week.

Back in the day when Barry Sheene had his 1982 Silverstone accident all the classes would be out on the track at the same time during free practice and this was always put down as a major contributory factor for the accident. The riders don't know how easy they have it these days

Jumkie said:

Now, i will agree with you that there are two distinct categories which should or should not be on the same track at the same time. If that is the point you want to make, I'd be happy to debate it with you.



I'm a rarity among my friends, in that I want Casey to do well because when he does its a big FU to Dorna and their corruption. But these incidents have to be called out for what they are. Sure, there is a massive double standard applied to Casey against his other rivals and past "rivals", but when Stoner does something that should be called out, not to do so just makes you look stupid (not that you need my help).

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If he was even merely petulant I won't defend it, I hoped he had got over expressing his displeasure (justified or not) on track, and doing so does no one including him any good..



Hard for me to know what happened, and there do not seem to be any fp2 highlights on the dorna site any more. As always, I will take your word for it if not necessarily that of all others, but most seem to be saying there was no actual contact.

shhh > CS FP2 CLICK HERE

Judging from past races and this weeks performances so far



JLo runs away with it



Dani and Casey fight for 2nd and 3rd



Dovi and cal for 4th and 5th



Barbera and hayden for 6th and 7th



Bradl and Rossi will sneak into that 6th and 7th fight



Does anyone care who will be fastest CRT ? LoL

Pigeon said:

shhh > CS FP2 CLICK HERE

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Thats Just Casey proving why he is leaving! stupid yet ballsy move

Jumkie said:

He may only have 1797 posts, but he's only been wrong 0 times.



Hector had a fantastic qual. I think all the .... other riders have been giving him has motivated him to show them he can perform a fast lap on his own. Both fast laps he was clear of anybody around, and I'll add, he probably would have been faster except Espargaro balked in in the last sector, otherwise he might have been on pole. That is NO ......... Anybody interested, watch his last lap again. I'll say this again, Hector was balked on his third row qualifying lap by Alexis Espargaro, otherwise we might have seen the guy on pole/ Did we see any reactions on the track or hear about it in the post qual conference? Had that been another rider, they might have tired to ram Espargaro on the cool down lap. Let me be clear, Barbera is on the worst (same as Karel) DuCRT on the grid. Nobody on a "prototype" would want to trade bikes with him. Even on his fast lap the bike looked like it would come apart (again, cue up the video). I'm not happy about Nicky being edged out by Hector, but I'm thinking his factory teammate should be a bit more embarrassed. Every rider with few exceptions, take shots at Hector, while he has been near the factory squad all year. Cal has been the harshest on Hector, much to my amusement, but honestly, where would Cal be if he swapped seats with Hector this year? Lorenzo put up a funny pitboard dig at Hector, where would Lorenzo be if he swapped seats with him? Serious question. Btw, Hector has jokes of his own, Lorenzo stopped at pit lane and Hector pulled up behind him, then followed him out, hahaha. Maybe he got close enough to Lorenzo to turn off the 'go fast now' switch which apparently gave Jlo problems on his las lap. I think Hector showed a lot of motivation and talent today, and I'll add, class.

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Finally someone on this forum giving Hector props (other then the chick with ........ and Willski but I suspect he doesn't really give a ..... He's just trying to bang the chick with the ........)

There's nothing in the rule book about towing. I've watched a mob mentality pile on Hector because their favorite prima Donna rider complains about him. He's not cheating and this towing certainly isn't winning him any races or putting him on the podium

I'm glad to see he's doing well on the shittiest bike on the grid

Go Hector!!!!!!!!!!!!













. ( im just trying to bang the chick with the .... too)

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Finally someone on this forum giving Hector props (other then the chick with ........ and Willski but I suspect he doesn't really give a ..... He's just trying to bang the chick with the ........)

There's nothing in the rule book about towing. I've watched a mob mentality pile on Hector because their favorite prima Donna rider complains about him. He's not cheating and this towing certainly isn't winning him any races or putting him on the podium

I'm glad to see he's doing well on the shittiest bike on the grid

Go Hector!!!!!!!!!!!!













. ( im just trying to bang the chick with the .... too)

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To be fair... ol' Hector came into MGP carrying the baggage of his reputation in the 250 class, as a foolhardy clown and it was well deserved. He constantly endangered other riders while making a fool of himself dive-bombing other riders in impossible-to-complete passes that always ended up with him running wide and falling behind, never really gaining any advantage. But if that ...... ends up on the podium tomorrow afternoon - maybe he should get a shot at a Tech Two bike.

Mental Anarchist said:

When Rossi said he was really going to try this weekend I thought he meant he was going to really put in an effort. Silly me. He actually meant he was really going to try to make the CRT's look good so his manager, Ezy doesn't look so bad. Never knew that Rossi was so unselfish making himself look bad so others can shine.

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What are you basing this on, the fact he put in the most laps and had the best times on the hard race tires of all the Duc riders or just a quick look at the lap times?

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Finally someone on this forum giving Hector props (other then the chick with ........ and Willski but I suspect he doesn't really give a ..... He's just trying to bang the chick with the ........)

There's nothing in the rule book about towing. I've watched a mob mentality pile on Hector because their favorite prima Donna rider complains about him. He's not cheating and this towing certainly isn't winning him any races or putting him on the podium

I'm glad to see he's doing well on the shittiest bike on the grid

Go Hector!!!!!!!!!!!!













. ( im just trying to bang the chick with the .... too)

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If you do can i watch ??

The fact that Barbera qualifies 3rd well ahead of the factory Ducatis doesn't tell me anything new or good about Barbera (he happened not to crash during one of his foolhardy attempts that normally take him into the gravel, and so pulled off a fast lap... great), but tells me plenty bad about the factory Ducati riders, and about a certain Vale Rossi in particular. I've no doubt Rossi will arrive ahead of Barbera in the race, but hey, there is no justification whatsoever for lagging behind him in FP and QP. Rossi is the shadow of himself.



Regarding Barbera now suddenly being described as a very good rider, I can only laugh.

Hope he doesn't create any serious trouble tomorrow starting from the first row...



And, btw, Barbera will never podium in a MotoGP race, not even if he had Lorenzo's Yamaha or Stoner's Honda...

Pigeon said:

shhh > CS FP2 CLICK HERE

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Thanks Pidgeon.



Right shoulder pushed out towards Petrucci, then shoving him off his line. It don't take a rocket scientist to see the intent.



After all his bleating about dangerous riding, he is at the very least a hypocrite.



..or totally inept at controlling his emotions.





J4, I just see Rossi running the bike consistantly where it is capable of running, without taking the risks you have highlighted Babera taking.



Hayden is pushing because he has to ( the .......s are thinking of replacing him).



No point in hurting yourself for one fast lap is there ? Especially as it does nothing to get them to make the bike better.



Stoner is proof enough of that. (meaning he rode his arse off and got the bike to places it had no right being in, only to see the bike get worse year after year)



Rossi being smart for my money.

Jumkie said:

I realize you only take your analysis from a scoring sheet, so then I'd direct you to the final qual data. A couple of Stoner fans mentioned that the Duc was now the best bike as it had recorded the fastest trap speeds (as a joke).

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Hey, I never mentioned best bike but figured that as we all know, the fastest bike wins so therefore, the Ducati beinmg the fastest means it must win

Jumkie said:

I realize you are desperate to defend and justify Stoner's behavior in attempting to dangerously push on Pedrucci, but after their clarification about it, this was totally unacceptable by Casey. I say clarification, because when I first saw Stoner's move, I thought Casey did this unintentionally. But after their exchange of words, it seems it was in fact intentional. After looking at it again, with the knowledge that it was an intentional move, then I would have to say its a mini version of what Sofaglu did to Forret, yes, maybe not as animated, but within the same conversation. It was clearly some retaliation and frustration on Stoner's part that surfaced. He even said Pedrucci had some move that was not caught on camera for us to judge (similar to the Wss incident) that had upset Stoner. Pedrucci is certainly on a slower bike, but he's also rightfully on the track.



Now, i will agree with you that there are two distinct categories which should or should not be on the same track at the same time. If that is the point you want to make, I'd be happy to debate it with you.



I'm a rarity among my friends, in that I want Casey to do well because when he does its a big FU to Dorna and their corruption. But these incidents have to be called out for what they are. Sure, there is a massive double standard applied to Casey against his other rivals and past "rivals", but when Stoner does something that should be called out, not to do so just makes you look stupid (not that you need my help).

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I still haven't seen video but have seen still and certainly it does not look good and the words (as reported by Krop) would indicate that it was no accident to crowd Petrucci.



However, also in Krops article it outlines the lead-up to teh event which apparently was caught on circuit cameras and was available to race direction who used the footage when both riders were called to race control. Essentially apparently Stoner took Petrucci, then Petrucci braked late and cut across Stoner but then hit the rev limiter on his bike effectively planting it in front and unable to accelerate causing Stoner to near hit the rear of the bike (as reported on Krop and other sites, this is shown on footage).



Apparently Petrucci admitted the error/issue and he and Stoner discussed it and sorted it afterwards (as a picture on another site does show).



No justification for retribution at all (IMO) but it would be interesting for the full footage to be made public so as to see for ourselves (this goes for all issues not caught on the TV coverage - would be some good footage)

Noodles Romanoff said:

Rossi being smart lazy for my his money.

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IMO.

Pigeon said:

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Thanks Pig.



Hadn't seen it until then and seriously, is that what the fuss is about?



Yes, the words he says aren't good but FFS that is no worse that Lorenzo on Pirro at Assen in Qualifying which went undiscussed.



Hard yes, but given most media will beat up a Stoner issue it would seem that most are supporting him here and saying he did nothing wrong.

i called Casey myself in the past but this is a non event imo see linky ^



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obG2xDkryfs



INTENT, CROWD, DONT LOOK GOOD, FFS

GET THE CRT OFF THE TRACK

I actually wonder if that is the point where Petrucci hits the rev limiter and Stoner nearly hits him (as reported) as that looks mighty close.