I`m very interested in knowing some more about Mugello. Right now I just know it`s fast, but some more technical stuff would be very interesting to know.
Thanks!
Haakon
Thanks!
Haakon
Mugello circuit characteristics
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This is taken fron High Revs
"At 5.245km the Mugello circuit is one of the longer contemporary MotoGP circuits, in no small part due to the fact that, unlike many other classically sculpted tracks, it has retained its original length and layout. Running across two sides of an impossibly scenic Tuscan valley, Mugello also differs from other super fast circuits in its frequent changes of gradient and the speed of its chicanes. There is a mix of slower and high-speed corners, although even the slowest corners are wide, allowing several ‘ideal’ lines.
Having foregone the modern tendency to reduce speeds by creating ‘bus stops’, Mugello’s four significant chicanes are taken at a relatively high pace. Balancing out the need for firmer suspension on the high-speed sections, which compress front and rear suspension due to centrifugal forces, is the requirement for enough pliability to give tyre side grip and traction around the slower off-camber corners.
The suspension set-up quest is further complicated by the fact that on one section of the track the approach to the corners is uphill, on the other half downhill, altering the parameters in the search for ideal spring and compression damping rates. Horsepower is a significant factor, with the long Mugello straight a possible passing place at top speeds of over 330kmph.
Good top speed aside, the rideability and balance of the machine have to be second-to-none at Mugello, such are its spread of corners. A magnificent but stern test of the complete machine, Mugello demands perfection lap after lap, but rewards precise and spirited riding."
"At 5.245km the Mugello circuit is one of the longer contemporary MotoGP circuits, in no small part due to the fact that, unlike many other classically sculpted tracks, it has retained its original length and layout. Running across two sides of an impossibly scenic Tuscan valley, Mugello also differs from other super fast circuits in its frequent changes of gradient and the speed of its chicanes. There is a mix of slower and high-speed corners, although even the slowest corners are wide, allowing several ‘ideal’ lines.
Having foregone the modern tendency to reduce speeds by creating ‘bus stops’, Mugello’s four significant chicanes are taken at a relatively high pace. Balancing out the need for firmer suspension on the high-speed sections, which compress front and rear suspension due to centrifugal forces, is the requirement for enough pliability to give tyre side grip and traction around the slower off-camber corners.
The suspension set-up quest is further complicated by the fact that on one section of the track the approach to the corners is uphill, on the other half downhill, altering the parameters in the search for ideal spring and compression damping rates. Horsepower is a significant factor, with the long Mugello straight a possible passing place at top speeds of over 330kmph.
Good top speed aside, the rideability and balance of the machine have to be second-to-none at Mugello, such are its spread of corners. A magnificent but stern test of the complete machine, Mugello demands perfection lap after lap, but rewards precise and spirited riding."
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chakan @ May 26 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I`m very interested in knowing some more about Mugello. Right now I just know it`s fast, but some more technical stuff would be very interesting to know.
Thanks!
Haakon
The excellent extract posted by Odessa says it all.
Fast, flowing, very technical, always great racing. A real riders cicuit, which is why Vale has won every Moto GP 4 stroke race here. (He would have won the last all 500cc aggregate race in the wet in '01, but his visor misted and he touched and lost it on the white line at Correntaio as I recall.) Rossi also crashed on a damp track in practise last year at Scarperia which is where I think, (help me someone) his supporters all congregate on the hill.
Lead out of Bucine on the last lap in 250's or 125's and you'll likely get 'streamed on the straight into second or third place. Highsides are not uncommon here either towards the end of the two stroke races as riders squeeze on the gas too early.
Expect Capi to outbrake himself into San Donato several times during the race - he does it every year - he's never alone.
Everyone loves Mugello, riders and fans alike, it's one of, if not, the best track on the calendar. JT knows it well from testing the 999, Lorenzo's style was tailor made for it, Rossi is unstoppable here, and the atmosphere like Jerez and Valencia is unrivalled.
Best thing about it though?........Arrabbiata1 & 2!!!
Thanks!
Haakon
The excellent extract posted by Odessa says it all.
Fast, flowing, very technical, always great racing. A real riders cicuit, which is why Vale has won every Moto GP 4 stroke race here. (He would have won the last all 500cc aggregate race in the wet in '01, but his visor misted and he touched and lost it on the white line at Correntaio as I recall.) Rossi also crashed on a damp track in practise last year at Scarperia which is where I think, (help me someone) his supporters all congregate on the hill.
Lead out of Bucine on the last lap in 250's or 125's and you'll likely get 'streamed on the straight into second or third place. Highsides are not uncommon here either towards the end of the two stroke races as riders squeeze on the gas too early.
Expect Capi to outbrake himself into San Donato several times during the race - he does it every year - he's never alone.
Everyone loves Mugello, riders and fans alike, it's one of, if not, the best track on the calendar. JT knows it well from testing the 999, Lorenzo's style was tailor made for it, Rossi is unstoppable here, and the atmosphere like Jerez and Valencia is unrivalled.
Best thing about it though?........Arrabbiata1 & 2!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ May 26 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is taken fron High Revs
"At 5.245km the Mugello circuit is one of the longer contemporary MotoGP circuits, in no small part due to the fact that, unlike many other classically sculpted tracks, it has retained its original length and layout. Running across two sides of an impossibly scenic Tuscan valley, Mugello also differs from other super fast circuits in its frequent changes of gradient and the speed of its chicanes. There is a mix of slower and high-speed corners, although even the slowest corners are wide, allowing several ‘ideal’ lines.
Having foregone the modern tendency to reduce speeds by creating ‘bus stops’, Mugello’s four significant chicanes are taken at a relatively high pace. Balancing out the need for firmer suspension on the high-speed sections, which compress front and rear suspension due to centrifugal forces, is the requirement for enough pliability to give tyre side grip and traction around the slower off-camber corners.
The suspension set-up quest is further complicated by the fact that on one section of the track the approach to the corners is uphill, on the other half downhill, altering the parameters in the search for ideal spring and compression damping rates. Horsepower is a significant factor, with the long Mugello straight a possible passing place at top speeds of over 330kmph.
Good top speed aside, the rideability and balance of the machine have to be second-to-none at Mugello, such are its spread of corners. A magnificent but stern test of the complete machine, Mugello demands perfection lap after lap, but rewards precise and spirited riding."
Thanks, that`s a great description, I`ve bookmarked that site.
Seeing as the balance needs to be so good and at least moderate suspensions, it`s hard to believe it`s the Ducati test track(?). I could see this years model wobbling all over the low speed acceleration corners from 1 to 3, not bringing enough speed for 3 to 6.
"At 5.245km the Mugello circuit is one of the longer contemporary MotoGP circuits, in no small part due to the fact that, unlike many other classically sculpted tracks, it has retained its original length and layout. Running across two sides of an impossibly scenic Tuscan valley, Mugello also differs from other super fast circuits in its frequent changes of gradient and the speed of its chicanes. There is a mix of slower and high-speed corners, although even the slowest corners are wide, allowing several ‘ideal’ lines.
Having foregone the modern tendency to reduce speeds by creating ‘bus stops’, Mugello’s four significant chicanes are taken at a relatively high pace. Balancing out the need for firmer suspension on the high-speed sections, which compress front and rear suspension due to centrifugal forces, is the requirement for enough pliability to give tyre side grip and traction around the slower off-camber corners.
The suspension set-up quest is further complicated by the fact that on one section of the track the approach to the corners is uphill, on the other half downhill, altering the parameters in the search for ideal spring and compression damping rates. Horsepower is a significant factor, with the long Mugello straight a possible passing place at top speeds of over 330kmph.
Good top speed aside, the rideability and balance of the machine have to be second-to-none at Mugello, such are its spread of corners. A magnificent but stern test of the complete machine, Mugello demands perfection lap after lap, but rewards precise and spirited riding."
Thanks, that`s a great description, I`ve bookmarked that site.
Seeing as the balance needs to be so good and at least moderate suspensions, it`s hard to believe it`s the Ducati test track(?). I could see this years model wobbling all over the low speed acceleration corners from 1 to 3, not bringing enough speed for 3 to 6.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 26 2008, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The excellent extract posted by Odessa says it all.
Fast, flowing, very technical, always great racing. A real riders cicuit, which is why Vale has won every Moto GP 4 stroke race here. (He would have won the last all 500cc aggregate race in the wet in '01, but his visor misted and he touched and lost it on the white line at Correntaio as I recall.) Rossi also crashed on a damp track in practise last year at Scarperia which is where I think, (help me someone) his supporters all congregate on the hill.
Lead out of Bucine on the last lap in 250's or 125's and you'll likely get 'streamed on the straight into second or third place. Highsides are not uncommon here either towards the end of the two stroke races as riders squeeze on the gas too early.
Expect Capi to outbrake himself into San Donato several times during the race - he does it every year - he's never alone.
Everyone loves Mugello, riders and fans alike, it's one of, if not, the best track on the calendar. JT knows it well from testing the 999, Lorenzo's style was tailor made for it, Rossi is unstoppable here, and the atmosphere like Jerez and Valencia is unrivalled.
Best thing about it though?........Arrabbiata1 & 2!!!
I`m very excited about this race too. I`ve promoted watching this one to colleagues if they would ever see one. I can`t see anyone else win right now but Rossi, not without fighting off Lorenzo and Pedrosa the whole race, but he seems 110% determined to get a win here and get a big favorite status again (as he deserves).
It will be great to see Lorenzo`s flow here too on this fast bike. I`m wondering if any of the others can get thrown in the front mix, but I don`t think Stoner, so I`m not sure. But then again Stoner said he found a new tire after the test at Le Mans, shaving off 0.5 seconds. Maybe that will make up for bike instability at turn acceleration....
Fast, flowing, very technical, always great racing. A real riders cicuit, which is why Vale has won every Moto GP 4 stroke race here. (He would have won the last all 500cc aggregate race in the wet in '01, but his visor misted and he touched and lost it on the white line at Correntaio as I recall.) Rossi also crashed on a damp track in practise last year at Scarperia which is where I think, (help me someone) his supporters all congregate on the hill.
Lead out of Bucine on the last lap in 250's or 125's and you'll likely get 'streamed on the straight into second or third place. Highsides are not uncommon here either towards the end of the two stroke races as riders squeeze on the gas too early.
Expect Capi to outbrake himself into San Donato several times during the race - he does it every year - he's never alone.
Everyone loves Mugello, riders and fans alike, it's one of, if not, the best track on the calendar. JT knows it well from testing the 999, Lorenzo's style was tailor made for it, Rossi is unstoppable here, and the atmosphere like Jerez and Valencia is unrivalled.
Best thing about it though?........Arrabbiata1 & 2!!!
I`m very excited about this race too. I`ve promoted watching this one to colleagues if they would ever see one. I can`t see anyone else win right now but Rossi, not without fighting off Lorenzo and Pedrosa the whole race, but he seems 110% determined to get a win here and get a big favorite status again (as he deserves).
It will be great to see Lorenzo`s flow here too on this fast bike. I`m wondering if any of the others can get thrown in the front mix, but I don`t think Stoner, so I`m not sure. But then again Stoner said he found a new tire after the test at Le Mans, shaving off 0.5 seconds. Maybe that will make up for bike instability at turn acceleration....
The track has a lot of grip everywhere but there are a few things that are unique to a few different corners. There are a few corners that have positive camber on the inside and no camber as you get farther to the outside. So the lines through these corners are very restrictive. Entering turn 2 the inside is banked and the quicker the you can flip the bike over to the right will give you a better option of lines through 3 where there is plenty of room to accelerate. Entering tun 6 requires a ton of confidence in the front end because you need to carry a lot of speed and the entrance is downhill pretty steep. Turn 8 is also cambered on the inside a little but not the outside. Turn 9 is difficult due to the speed you must carry and since its off camber and uphill you need to stand the bike up and get the power down as early as possible. Turn 10 is a hard braking area where there is little margin for error. Turn 14 is another corner that has a little camber on the inside but its only cambered on the inside about the time you are wanting to get on the gas. So you can blow the entrance and still get good drive out as long as you can pull the bike back into the camber. This is what I remember from Mugello from the endurance race I ran a few years ago.
Oh and the exit of 9 is pretty blind and takes a while to get right. And if feels like you are in turn 12 forever and it really does not matter if you get on the throttle early and run wide on the exit or keep it tight and run narrow because the tight line would set up better for 13 where you will sacrifice some entry speed by taking the exit of 12 wide.
Rossi owns the down hill right hander, Cassanova (seems like an appropriate turn for him to own).
If you're a Rossi fan and you're attending the race, I've heard that's the place to sit. I bet the Yamaha is good through there so Lorenzo may make some moves there as well.
Rossi is also really good through Scarperia (another downhill right). So it seems the Yam is strong through there as well.
If you're a Rossi fan and you're attending the race, I've heard that's the place to sit. I bet the Yamaha is good through there so Lorenzo may make some moves there as well.
Rossi is also really good through Scarperia (another downhill right). So it seems the Yam is strong through there as well.
The first corner is also one of the only corners you can absolutey get away with outbreaking yourself (see the 2006 race
I always say WATCH OUT FOR THE TUSCAN RAIDERS!!!!! I swear one of these days one of their snipers is going to take a rider out....hows that for track knowledge.......
Check out the track onboard with Rossi in 2005.
Priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNp-615jg30
I am stoked to go there for all three days...although i hear its mad even on a bike.
Priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNp-615jg30
I am stoked to go there for all three days...although i hear its mad even on a bike.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Motrix450 @ May 27 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Check out the track onboard with Rossi in 2005.
Priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNp-615jg30
I am stoked to go there for all three days...although i hear its mad even on a bike.
He made it look very easy in that clip
Priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNp-615jg30
I am stoked to go there for all three days...although i hear its mad even on a bike.
He made it look very easy in that clip
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Mugello is Ducati's test track, they come here at least once a month from Borgo Panigale which is only 1 hour drive away.
Best place to watch the race, IMO: the section from Casanova to Scarperia. I think the best Rossi is seen at the Casanova-Savelli, while Stoner (and Capirossi!) shine in the Arrabbiata 1-2. At Scarperia, Rossi again.
Mugello Dont's :
- Do not plan to leave immediately after the race: the queue to the motorway accesses can take hours, even on a bike. Take it easy.
- Avoid the hills around the track on Saturday night, - if you want to sleep I mean
- Don't speed! The police monitors all nearby roads with radars. Alcohol tests on drivers are routine nowadays.
Best place to watch the race, IMO: the section from Casanova to Scarperia. I think the best Rossi is seen at the Casanova-Savelli, while Stoner (and Capirossi!) shine in the Arrabbiata 1-2. At Scarperia, Rossi again.
Mugello Dont's :
- Do not plan to leave immediately after the race: the queue to the motorway accesses can take hours, even on a bike. Take it easy.
- Avoid the hills around the track on Saturday night, - if you want to sleep I mean
- Don't speed! The police monitors all nearby roads with radars. Alcohol tests on drivers are routine nowadays.
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