motogp test sepang.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Feb 9 2009, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, if we're still talking about Hayden, I have to say that it is a bit worrying that a rookie like Kallio is faster than him, but nothing is certain at this point. Hayden may be another Ducati disappointment or he may find solutions to be fast. I think it's all 50/50 chance at this point.

I'm not convinced that a Ducati ride necessarily results in being either stormingly fast or last by miles. I think Hayden will wind up being approximately where he was with the Honda last year in the 6th place area. Loris was there in 07 and i expect similar from Nicky this year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 9 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Hayden will wind up being approximately where he was with the Honda last year in the 6th place area. Loris was there in 07 and i expect similar from Nicky this year

Agreed! ........ and if he does he will be a great asset for Ducati, as Capi was in 07.

By grabbing the occasional points off the main opposing riders, Capi contributed to the points and mindset of Stoner. If Hayden achieves this in his first year he will be a huge success in my book. Its unrealistic to expect him to win many Gp's but its not unrealistic for him to be a damn good scrapper for Ducati. A "fly in the ointment" a "spanner in the works" as we call it here, taking points and frustrating other riders.

I'll also be honest and say the last few years Hayden has not exhibited the "killer instinct" he exhibited in 06. This may have been due to the bike however I think a little touched on possibility is that by 06 Hayden was sick of being second fiddle to Rossi and was as such VERY motivated to prove he was capable of a win. I must also admit that right from "day dot" 07 I had the feeling that Hayden had received too much accolade from the home fans over the winter break. But this being motogp, that couldve been ...... anything else.

Whatever the case .... to expect a rider who has won so few actual Gp's to come through and suddenly win at least twice as many again in one season ( because thats what will be required at the very least in such a competitive field ) ...... is a somewhat high expectation.

But again Ducati/Stoner shouldl be greatly appreciative just getting a rider like Capi again. As too should be the Hayden fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 9 2009, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well it is an internet forum, I guess one signs up understanding that there are going to be folks with differing opinions than our own. I would say bannings don't quell the desires of folk such as Pinky, in fact it seems to fuel the fire. Hence they just show up with many alias'. As annoying as it may be half Pinky's motivation is getting a rise from folk.

To be honest I find Pinky to be the ultra rightwing, hippie, fascist, unreasonably non-PC illogical view ..... that in all honesty, helps sway logic back to a more moderate view if ever I'm wondering about some of the topics he takes on.


To be honest I find Pinky to be the ultra rightwing, hippie, fascist, unreasonably non-PC illogical view ...... .

Damn, if that isnt a paradox!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Feb 9 2009, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why don't you use the edit function?

Anyway, if we're still talking about Hayden, I have to say that it is a bit worrying that a rookie like Kallio is faster than him, but nothing is certain at this point. Hayden may be another Ducati disappointment or he may find solutions to be fast. I think it's all 50/50 chance at this point.

Exactly....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 10 2009, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To be honest I find Pinky to be the ultra rightwing, hippie, fascist, unreasonably non-PC illogical view ...... .

Damn, if that isnt a paradox!


No in this context ...... iy should be known as a "pinkidox"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Feb 9 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%We're sorry, this video is no longer available

.................................


ARRRRRR......



Somebody though, must have saved it.....

<span style="color:#000000I FORGOT TO SAVE IT!!!





I am with you #46; shooting down the MotoGP videos for copyright has nothing to do with copying movies, TV series or even music (coping that I do not agree with). However, for any Sport (in MotoGP's case a race or testing), an event is 'Ultimate News' until the moment it ends (in our case with the checkered flag). On other side, any Sport needs Sponsors, and they want their ads to be seen by as many fans (possible consumers), and most importantly; AS MANY TIMES as possible.

Both points make a very silly (stupid) decision NOT TO GIVE OUT ALL VIDEOS FOR FREE once any given event has ended

As an example, anybody (interested fan) knows who won last race, championship, etc. It is not as 'If they go out and tell we lose clients'! Therefore, the truth is that giving videos out free would bring more fans (clients) which is what sponsors want in the first place; it would get consumers to see their ads 'Much More'!

Another example is that if not every fan got the chance to see the event (race or testing in our case) they also DID NOT GET TO SEE THE ADS from sponsors. Handing the videos free would get at least 10 times as many possible consumers to watch the ads (videos).

Is it not music getting to a point where it can be gotten free as long as you watch a single ad? Duh! Therefore, to think that copyright applies as 'Music' is plain Stupid! Has not anyone told them that they already have the 'Ads' part in their business? Man, they are stupid!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 9 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another example is that if not every fan got the chance to see the event (race or testing in our case) they also DID NOT GET TO SEE THE ADS from sponsors. Handing the videos free would get at least 10 times as many possible consumers to watch the ads (videos).

Is it not music getting to a point where it can be gotten free as long as you watch a single ad? Duh! Therefore, to think that copyright applies as 'Music' is plain Stupid! Has not anyone told them that they already have the 'Ads' part in their business? Man, they are stupid!
Greedy and stupid. I blame FIM. Motogp is now run by accountants/bankers/gangsters as the case may be, who do not necessarily have any intrinsic interest in bike racing at all.

I can understand from a business point of view that videos of actual races are regarded as copyright material to be protected, as this is what most sports rightly or wrongly do with their main product. But 7 minutes of testing on u-tube; give me a break. Virtually the only people interested would be the hard-core fans who are the market for subscriptions and videos and who will just just get pissed off, and any others who see it might actually be attracted to the sport. It would be more reasonable for dorna to be paying u-tube for advertising their product.

If they actually provided some content they might sell more testing packages; I will not buy one again after my last experience.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 9 2009, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh but I can't be bothered , plus as a Motogp fan it helps me remember a year when things at least got interesting


Besides there's an old saying I heard somewhere that I live by:

Quote "someone somewhere??" .........."if you can't change it, accept it!"
Spoken like a true <strike>sheep</strike> follower !

damn this thread has got some legs!

So who won?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2009, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So who won?
guintoli, ofc
didnt you know?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 9 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>guintoli, ofc
didnt you know?

I was going for him to

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2009, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was going for him to
i was expecting your grand prix debut this year...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 9 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i was expecting your grand prix debut this year...

Yeah me to...too bad someone decided to put up a fence where i train

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>someone decided to put up a fence where i train
i checked it, and found out guitoli did it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 9 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i checked it, and found out guitoli did it

no i think it was somedamnwriter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no i think it was somedamnwriter.
almost the same

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 9 2009, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kind of late for this Post, but did anyone notice that Pedrosa needs a child’s buster seat? First I’ve seen on a bike!
You should have seen the size of the one he had on the 211.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 9 2009, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for the 'anti-Hayden' comments of the very few, well whilst I am not a 'dyed in wool' Hayden fan I sure as .... hope he has a good year as IMO he deserves one given his recent history and above all else (well to me), his work ethic is extra deserving.

I also just happen to believe that his style will be better suited to the ferocity of the Ducati as opposed to the smoothness of the Honda.

IMO (again) his times are good given the little riding time (in realistic terms) pluse the added change of tyre manufacturer which for him is complicated by the new two compound rule (at least last years Bridgestone riders would be used to the Bridgestone tyre behaviours). Besides which Hayden does not strike me as a 'quitter' when things go bad but insteda as a fighter determined to improve and get through the down period (not dissing MM either who I feel needs everything perfect to achieve results)






Garry
I agree with your comments about work ethic and adapting to surroundings but not with the bit about Hayden's recent luck. Yes, it's been pretty poor in 2007 and 2008 but he used up a lot of it in 2006. We should be coming up on equilibrium with luck swinging back into his favor somewhere around mid 2009 or 2010.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Feb 9 2009, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well my arguments was that ducati would make a real bad mistake for signing hayden. and i am being proved right. anyway lets not talk about the past and move on shall we
No, your original argument was that Ducati would never waste their time signing such a poor rider as Hayden. You guaranteed that Ducati would not sign Hayden. In fact, you were so confident that it wouldn't happen that you said you would leave this place. I'm glad you didn't leave, I like reading your posts for comic relief. But I digress. Then your point was that Ducati signing Hayden would be a massive mistake. I think you'll eventually be proved wrong on this one as well. But hey, don't give up. Every time you make some sort of a prediction, you make this place smile.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Feb 9 2009, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, if we're still talking about Hayden, I have to say that it is a bit worrying that a rookie like Kallio is faster than him, but nothing is certain at this point. Hayden may be another Ducati disappointment or he may find solutions to be fast. I think it's all 50/50 chance at this point.
I guess I'm not terribly surprised by Kallio's quickness on the Ducati. I've never been an avid follower of the 125s and 250s but I would say I pay attention. I see a lot of similarities in the career and riding in Kallio and Stoner. Stoner's ability to slide when need be and go-fast nature on a 125/250 translated perfectly with the Ducati. Kallio has that same ability with his ice racing background and was equally impressive with the KTM in his 125/250 days. I think Kallio will be very successful at Ducati and will likely be Hayden's replacement in 2010 or 2011.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 9 2009, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll also be honest and say the last few years Hayden has not exhibited the "killer instinct" he exhibited in 06. This may have been due to the bike however I think a little touched on possibility is that by 06 Hayden was sick of being second fiddle to Rossi and was as such VERY motivated to prove he was capable of a win. I must also admit that right from "day dot" 07 I had the feeling that Hayden had received too much accolade from the home fans over the winter break. But this being motogp, that couldve been ...... anything else.
I don't think Hayden has exhibited a killer instinct in MotoGP, at least not frequently. It was present when he got comfortable with the scene late in 2003, most notably his scrap with Gibernau at Philip Island (rose glasses on but some of the gutsiest passes I've seen). There were a few races in 2006 where he also showed this. Qatar he had it battling with Rossi but ultimately lost and Valencia I saw it until Rossi crashed. At some point in 2006 something clicked in his head and he went into championship mode and he hasn't been able to switch it off. He has been very reluctant to ride over his head and risk a podium finish in order to fight for the win. It's a very smart way to win a championship but if you're not fighting for a championship then I think it becomes demoralizing. It could be a handful of things, maybe he just doesn't have the speed to fight for a win anymore. But IMO I see a rider who is too concerned about not falling and managing his points.

LINK


Stoner beats Rossi hands down
Sepang Test: Day 3
(07/02/2009)



Former MotoGP world champion and current MotoGP 'tears at bedtime' champion Casey Stoner fired a warning shot to all his rivals whilst giving us, the drowsy followers, all the indications that the racing recession will continue deep into 2009.

It was all set to be a battle of the gammy hands as Stoner, fresh from an operation to cure an inherited Australian wrist injury usually aggravated by opening tins of beer and punching wives, took on the cut fingers of the clumsy curtain closing Rossi.
There were to be no words spoken and for safety reasons there'd be no congratulative back patting.
Feeling left out, however, worse the time he was invited to heroes convention was the undersized yet overrated Spaniard Dani Pedrosa. Dani had a gammy knee whereas his rivals had gammy hands. It was Michelin/Bridgestone saga all over again. In the spirit of MotoGP Pedrosa decided to quit and travelled home to see if Alberto could dream up a way to damage his wrist.


Hands up who's hand hurts the most. Stoner was again top of the list

So the battle was on – and despite Stoner's fanbase shrinking faster than Hodgson's bank balance it was transparently obvious that his confidence in his own ability was rapidly expanding. A bit like Foggy – only this was real life.

In the end Rossi had no answer to Casey's brilliance and had to settle for second which subsequently sent millions of yellow fans with '46' somewhere in their email address to post a torrent of messages claiming that testing means nothing and Stoner's bike was better.

Spurred on by the threat of Suzuki not making it to Mugello Loris Capirossi once again rode like his career and tax-problems depended on it finishing the day in an impressive third. Being on a pay-by-race scheme the Italian looked eager to earn his keep with the imminent threat of one of his houses being repossessed on his mind.

Colin Edwards spectacularly dragged the midfield mediocrity all the way up to fourth one barbeque scented place ahead of Honda's prodigal simpleton Toni Elias.

On the 'it's only testing and it means nothing' end of the timesheet Sete Gibernau was finding out the hard way that greasy smiles, sneaky tests and oily handshakes are all fine up until the point where you have to prove your worth. And despite a comedy haircut few were laughing as the Jester of pack struggled to keep pace with big boys.

Saying at the blunt end de Puniet and Takahashi successfully proved that there'll be plenty of underachieving Hondas this season finishing one place ahead of the outclassed Niccolo 'King of the Sandwich, not of the track' Canepa.

But the biggest 'Pang loser was for sure James Toseland. After banging his head into b-flat in a 200kph crash on the opening day the Northern Dullard struggled to find focus and finished the final day as the last official rider…and only just ahead of the nameless Yamaha test drones brought in especially to make JT look good.

Sepang MotoGP test times - Saturday
1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 1.043 sec
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.137 sec
3. Loris Capirossi ITA Team Suzuki 2min 1.262 sec
4. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha 2min 1.413 sec
5. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 2min 1.560 sec
6. Chris Vermeulen AUS Team Suzuki 2min 1.666 sec
7. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 2min 1.907 sec
8. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 2min 1.955 sec
9. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 2min 2.386 sec
10. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 2min 2.497 sec
11. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 2min 2.523 sec
12. Sete Gibernau SPA Onde 2000 Ducati 2min 2.727 sec
13. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 2min 3.418 sec
14. Yuki Takahashi JPN Team Scot 2min 3.474 sec
15. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 2min 3.901 sec
16. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha 2min 3.953 sec
17. 'Bike #T' JPN Yamaha Test Rider 2min 4.328 sec
18. 'Bike #0' JPN Yamaha Test Rider 2min 4.614 sec

Either his official no-bedroom studio garage/home in Palermo or his million dollar villa in Monaco that, for tax reasons, he hardly ever visits. Honest.

please explain the extra value of you post, curve...