MotoGP is lame now !!

If they would bring back the true spirit of the sport, we may see a resurgence of excitement.  The tire wars would be good, the rules not changing for a good length of time so that the factories don't have to make all these changes that cost money.  Ezy and the rest of the Spanish need to diminish, way too much in the contrived spanish championship we are seeing.  Prime example is again a rule change for a spaniard with MM going to a factory team.  The CRT's at least for me a just a joke, filler, non competative also rans.  It is good to hear that Suzuki wants to come back, they just need a real competative rider and a team that is focused and primed to go the distance, no half hearted efforts.  Cal would be a great rider for that team.  He surely wants a factory ride.  I would have loved to see him at Ducati but we all know what happened there.  We all know that the global economy is garbage and this impacts just about every sport.  But with that in mind, and a rock solid rule book for at least 7 years we could see the sport resurge into the pantheon of greatness again. 

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Because Suzuki and Kawasaki were so competitive when they were in MotoGP.

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They were competitive for a while.  Especially when they were working with Bridgestone before Rossi screwed up the tyre rules.

Mental Anarchist

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They were competitive for a while.  Especially when they were working with Bridgestone before Rossi screwed up the tyre rules.

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Did Rossi change and add the supply restriction regulation in 2007? For this is what stuffed the series......if he did then its all his fault!

Then go watch nascar ......

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Did Rossi change and add the supply restriction regulation in 2007? For this is what stuffed the series......if he did then its all his fault!

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No. That is not what stuffed the series unless of course you see Rossi losing his SNS advantage over the rest of the field as stuffing the series.


What stuffed the series was the teams who had put years into working with Bridgestone, sacrificing results whilst they worked together to develope a tyre, losing all that hard work as Bridgestone were first forced to supply Rossi and then forced to develop the tyre for him rather than Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki. Suzuki and Kawasaki left because of it and Ducati have had to complete change their bike to try to suit the tyre. That is what ruined the sport.

Mental Anarchist

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No. That is not what stuffed the series unless of course you see Rossi losing his SNS advantage over the rest of the field as stuffing the series.


What stuffed the series was the teams who had put years into working with Bridgestone, sacrificing results whilst they worked together to develope a tyre, losing all that hard work as Bridgestone were first forced to supply Rossi and then forced to develop the tyre for him rather than Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki. Suzuki and Kawasaki left because of it and Ducati have had to complete change their bike to try to suit the tyre. That is what ruined the sport.

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Opinions......just like bum holes

Mental Anarchist

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No. That is not what stuffed the series unless of course you see Rossi losing his SNS advantage over the rest of the field as stuffing the series.


What stuffed the series was the teams who had put years into working with Bridgestone, sacrificing results whilst they worked together to develope a tyre, losing all that hard work as Bridgestone were first forced to supply Rossi and then forced to develop the tyre for him rather than Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki. Suzuki and Kawasaki left because of it and Ducati have had to complete change their bike to try to suit the tyre. That is what ruined the sport.

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Don't remember this bit.  Links?

yamaka46

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Don't remember this bit.  Links?

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While your there Mental, links to how many riders had access to SNS's?

Mental Anarchist

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They were competitive for a while.  Especially when they were working with Bridgestone before Rossi screwed up the tyre rules.

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They were competitive in 2007 when Bridgestone was dominant. I'd chalk that up to Bridgestone's resources and Michelin's inability to match that more than the Suzuki or Kawasaki being any good.

Talpa

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While your there Mental, links to how many riders had access to SNS's?

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At the very minimum: factory Yamaha, factory Honda, and Gresini's factory Honda.

yamaka46

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Don't remember this bit.  Links?

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Why would a link help?  The conclusion is that it is all fiction anyway.  In 2008 Stoner used 2007 rubber on a few occasions because the new bridgestone rubber no longer worked for the Ducati.  This is how I remember the novel went anyway.

Austin

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They were competitive in 2007 when Bridgestone was dominant. I'd chalk that up to Bridgestone's resources and Michelin's inability to match that more than the Suzuki or Kawasaki being any good.



At the very minimum: factory Yamaha, factory Honda, and Gresini's factory Honda.

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So was the Yamaha .... during its winning years on the michelin and it was just the michelin that won?  


 


About SNS, did each rider/team get a different SNS or did they all get the same one?

Mental Anarchist

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So was the Yamaha .... during its winning years on the michelin and it was just the michelin that won?  


 


About SNS, did each rider/team get a different SNS or did they all get the same one?

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I wouldn't say the Yamaha was ...., but I will say that those Saturday Night Specials were good enough to keep anyone not using them off the podium at the European rounds. (To illustrate how good they were, the story from Estoril 2006 was that Michelin accidentally brought an extra Special and it was given to Elias. The rest is history.) Bridgestone's brilliance at the flyaways foreshadowed their dominance once tire allocation was implemented.


 


That I don't know for sure. My guess is that each rider got his own, but that'd be something I'd expect Krop might know, certainly more than I do, anyway.

Yes, the Michelin techs hand-laid specific constructions and rubber compounds for specific bikes and riders.


 


Some of those would have been the same, no doubt, and that was one area where Rossi/Burgess excelled - working with the Michelin techs to identify the specific area they needed the tyre to address.