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MotoGP fading

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MotoGP fading
2009 claims Kawasaki with others set to follow
(06/01/2009)



MotoGP is officially facing its worst crisis since the time Foggy told us all that he was looking to manage/ruin a GP team.


Anyone left? The MotoGP grid gets weaker for 2009

Up until recently the 'credit crunch' was just a excuse driven buzzword for a few half-arsed firms going out of business due to poor management - but now the real affects are becoming apparent with poorly managed, half-arsed MotoGP teams looking like they'll be no longer able to ride the GP Easyboat free of charge.

Currently affected teams

Kawasaki
Famous for building cargo ships that carry underwear from Asia to the various Primark stores dotted all over the globe Kawasaki's MotoGP effort appears to be collapsing faster than a Roberts' family soufflé. A notice of withdrawal from MotoGP sadly is looking more and more likely meaning there'll not now be a green tinge at the back of the pack.
Despite a blip in 2007 Team Green have habitually stuck to their work premise of being pathetically weak and using any data gained from racing at the back to help develop their snowmobile range. However with climate change allegedly melting the snow and the global economy looking weaker than Pedrosa's ill Aunt the Green Giants have decided that they have no need for a MotoGP team.

Pramac Ducati
Nowhere else can the financial problems be highlighted better than with Ducati's 'ill child' team. Run badly for several years by a cheating baldy the second rate Ducati team survived year-on-year despite even once hiring Neil Hodgson. However, and after a bloodless coup, despite now the team being managed by trustworthy people who choose not to siphon the bank account to fund a new yacht Pramac Ducati's finical troubles have hit home after losing their title sponsor Alice (known for really, really crap colour schemes and dated graphics).
The net outcome is that their team has been halved and their newly signed mafia offspring rider Niccolo 'my uncle will leave a horse's head in your bed' Canepa has had to be discharged to the thoroughly evil team Onde 2000.

Suzuki
With Kawasaki folding faster than Kamiya Satoshi on speed it only stands to reason that Suzuki, or 'a blue Kawasaki', will be next.
To strengthen rumours Loris Capirossi's manager Carlo Pernat claimed that "It's 150 percent certain that Loris will race next season with Suzuki," - a last ditch statement if ever we heard one.


Possible affected teams

Honda
They quit Formula 1 a few months ago because they were rubbish and couldn't find a way of un-hiring Jenson 'silver-spoon' Button. About half of the MotoGP staff, especially the race officials, are hired/bribed (delete as applicable) by the mighty evil HRC. Should they quit we'd be left with the proverbial AMA.

Ducati
Should Marlboro decide that nobody wants to fight off cancer in a recession and pull out of sponsoring Ducati then the Italian pipe-bending firm would too surely be forced to quit. Or have the rules changed so they were allowed a bigger engine than everyone else.

Yamaha
They can say what they want, but without Lorenzo and Rossi they're actually a very average team. Should these two quit (Rossi through age, Lorenzo through injury) they'd be rubbish and probably quit too.


2009…and you though 2008 was bad.
 
It's too bad those guys don't do any real reporting, they have some pretty humorous writers. There was about as much insight there as you'd find in one of my posts.
 
2009 looks to be all doom and gloom.

Even with the one make tyre rule 2009 is going to be ....(for the teams that will be still in it). Its not going to fix anything judging by the last race of 2008. Top four were all on the same rubber(manufacture) and were spaced out by 12 seconds. At race 2 of the WSBK on the same track in that same 12 second margin 19 bikes crossed the line. Its quiet obvious which is the real premier championship atm. Prototype "racing" my arse.

Ezy really needs to wake the .... up. Motogp is dead loing live WSBK.



Edit : Got my stats wrong there. Top 3 in Motogp were 12 seconds apart Dovi was another 12 seconds back. WSBK in the same 24 seconds 15 bike crossed the line, top 3 were seperated by 3 seconds.
 
in 12 months time and longer into the recession motogp/bsb/ama/ ? could be doomed wsbk should be ok.i cancelled sky so cant see wsbk grr/ffs but im not signing up to a new contract for it
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 9 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in 12 months time and longer into the recession motogp/bsb/ama/ ? could be doomed wsbk should be ok.i cancelled sky so cant see wsbk grr/ffs but im not signing up to a new contract for it

WSBK is free to watch live off the site.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jan 10 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WSBK is free to watch live off the site.

I wish that was true. You can't watch WSBK live from their site in Australia. Must be something to do with FOX owning the rights to broadcast the races live on tv in OZ.
 
What a great article/blog as usual. The best line was "Suzuki, or 'a blue Kawasaki'"
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Austin, no "insight"? WTF What about the line "Up until recently the 'credit crunch' was just a excuse driven buzzword for a few half-arsed firms going out of business due to poor management" These guys nailed it while the rest of the raccoons and squirrels go on believing that this .... was some natural disaster.

Curve, free WSBK, another reason they are expanding while others implode. Dorna screws their base of fans (no less) out of money on their pay per view, much like American boxing...all hype, no show.

R1SF, not only is the superbikes a good show but their supersport is killer also. (To be fair so is/was? GP250s); however, do you remember WSS Assen? Going into the last lap 12 bikes were all in the lead group; at the finish you could have thrown a handkerchief over 6 bikes at the line. Pause the clip at minute 1:31 and then again at 1:55 (this is the beginning of the last lap) count the <strike>bikes</strike> helmets on the screen. My point: WSBK is poised to pick up the pieces.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 10 2009, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>R1SF, not only is the superbikes a good show but their supersport is killer also. (To be fair so is/was? GP250s); however, do you remember WSS Assen? Going into the last lap 12 bikes were all in the lead group; at the finish you could have thrown a handkerchief over 6 bikes at the line. Pause the clip at minute 1:31 and then again at 1:55 (this is the beginning of the last lap) count the <strike>bikes</strike> helmets on the screen. My point: WSBK is poised to pick up the pieces.
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I do remember that, it will go down as one of the best races of all time. I love the WSS series also and hopefully our boy Rae can win the title this year
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Jan 10 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do remember that, it will go down as one of the best races of all time. I love the WSS series also and hopefully our boy Rae can win the title this year
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Not possible! It is possible that he may however win the WSBK title.
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Kawasaki did not enter GPs until Valentino already had two titles in the premier class.

All you screaming Chicken Littles crying about the fate of GP motorcycle racing have some pretty short memories.

Kawasaki is barely a blip on the Grand Prix radar.

They were here for a couple years, couldn't get a rider or bike to win anything, and now they're gone.

Poof.

Like Keyser Soze.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jan 10 2009, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kawasaki did not enter GPs until Valentino already had two titles in the premier class.

All you screaming Chicken Littles crying about the fate of GP motorcycle racing have some pretty short memories.

Kawasaki is barely a blip on the Grand Prix radar.

They were here for a couple years, couldn't get a rider or bike to win anything, and now they're gone.

Poof.

Like Keyser Soze.

Whether or not Kawasaki has made a positive impact on the sport is irrelevant. The sport must function as a laboratory for motorcycle manufacturers. If manufacturers are pulling out of the series, the laboratory isn't working properly.

Furthermore, in case you haven't noticed, almost all of the manufacturers are testing the exact same things. 800cc 4 stroke 4 cylinder engines with pneumatic valves that utilize numerous electronic gadgets like TC, GPS, lean angle sensors, etc. All bikes roll on the exact same sets of tires.

If it ain't working for Kawi, it isn't working for anyone. Big advertising budgets from the sport's big 3 manufacturers and their sponsorship network are the only thing keeping the sport alive. If you haven't noticed we're in a global recession and advertising dollars are relatively scarce. Similarly, TV audiences are small because no one wants to watch boring races with little passing.

Kawi's departure is serious because the sport has very weak fundamentals. MotoGP is a poor product with a high price tag. Manufacturers, fans, riders, and track owners have all noticed.
 
Look,

If BMW enters SBK in 09 and they do reasonably well...

Then in 10 and 11, they don't really catch up to Ducati and Yamaha and are running around chasing top 10 finishes

Then in 12, they do a big management shuffle cuz everybody's unhappy, but nothing changes in terms of results

Then in 13 or 14, they announce they're pulling out of SBK completely.

Would you seriously claim that SBK is gonna fade away because a manufacturer gave up after 5 years?

That above scenario is entirely possible and maybe even probable.

The sky is not falling.

A manufacturer that had a crapload of internal strife and never really got off the ground, gave up after 5 years.

No big deal, nothing to see hear, move along.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jan 10 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look,

If BMW enters SBK in 09 and they do reasonably well...

Then in 10 and 11, they don't really catch up to Ducati and Yamaha and are running around chasing top 10 finishes

Then in 12, they do a big management shuffle cuz everybody's unhappy, but nothing changes in terms of results

Then in 13 or 14, they announce they're pulling out of SBK completely.

Would you seriously claim that SBK is gonna fade away because a manufacturer gave up after 5 years?

That above scenario is entirely possible and maybe even probable.

The sky is not falling.

A manufacturer that had a crapload of internal strife and never really got off the ground, gave up after 5 years.

No big deal, nothing to see hear, move along.

In the end you're right, it's just another manufacturer pulling out. I think even a chimpanzee could have correctly come to that conclusion. Chimps are also completely ignorant of technological, political, and socioeconomic forces. They aren't worried about motogp either.

Thankfully, Chimpanzees cannot speak, type, or form opinions.

Technically, since 2004, WSBK has added 6 manufacturers. No one will worry terribly if BMW can't hack it.

Since 2004, motogp has lost between 3 and 5 manufacturers (depending on how you look at it), 2 tire manufacturers, and about 50% of the bikes on the grid. MotoGP is also more expensive than it was in 2004 and the spectacle is awful. All of MotoGP's problems have been caused by unnecessary rules changes.

Spare the bike racing bit, I don't see many similarities between WSBK and MotoGP.
 
Kawi had what an inline 4? What a ....... amazing prototype configuration WOW!!! And the laughable screamer my god. Blue Kawi eh? Get some glasses...pneumatic valve train b4 anyone on the grid by 2 years...that's prototyping.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jan 11 2009, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The sky is not falling.

A manufacturer that had a crapload of internal strife and never really got off the ground, gave up after 5 years.

No big deal, nothing to see hear, move along.
Who are you kidding? Obviously yourself if you don't think kawasaki pulling out is a major blow to the series.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 11 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kawi's departure is serious because the sport has very weak fundamentals. MotoGP is a poor product with a high price tag. Manufacturers, fans, riders, and track owners have all noticed.
Spot on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 10 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whether or not Kawasaki has made a positive impact on the sport is irrelevant.


Kawi's departure is serious because the sport has very weak fundamentals. MotoGP is a poor product with a high price tag. Manufacturers, fans, riders, and track owners have all noticed.

First sensible thing you've said in a while.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jan 10 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who are you kidding? Obviously yourself if you don't think kawasaki pulling out is a major blow to the series.
Haha, where is the gif: 'Caution-Children at Play Here'
 
It doesn't matter how much Kawasaki struggle, it is like Honda in F1, it makes the series look bad. They are major companies seeing the series not worth the money they are spending.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 10 2009, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kawi had what an inline 4? What a ....... amazing prototype configuration WOW!!! And the laughable screamer my god. Blue Kawi eh? Get some glasses...pneumatic valve train b4 anyone on the grid by 2 years...that's prototyping.
I think i 've mentioned this before but i read somewhere that theYamaha and Kawasaki engine was designed by the same guy.So in a sence enginewise they had the same chanses to develope from that.
The rest of the bike is a different matter i suppose.Anyhow,Iget the impression that there aren't that many brilliant engineers around but those who get them turn out to be the winners.
 

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