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robains said:
Ah welcome to the internet, how to take what was NOT said and turn it into something completely different ... so by your OWN logic, since Rossi has 9 titles and Marquez only 4, they should be covering Rossi 24/7?

The facts - Marquez crashed and there was a good battle going on for 1-6 position, but we get to see Marquez hobble around in 17th because he won 4 championships? Why? Does anyone care about someone that crashed and in last place? Marquez has a very small fan following but I guess with all that Yellow smoke around the circuit it would be hard to find any Marquez fans in Italy. Hell, even in the many Spain races, there is still more Yellow fan following.

I see you've avoided the other questions?

Zarco has more talent the Marquez ... but given Vinales can't make the Yamaha work in hot weather, Zarco can't make it work in hot weather and Rossi managed to somehow come out 3rd in a "Ducati" track under high heat is pretty impressive ... doing it at 39 years old (a full 14 years older than Marquez), and being 6 ft tall (a big handicap for MotoGP, especially top speed) and Marquez tiny at 5'5", Rossi being 148 lbs and Marquez 130 lbs so Marquez has 18 lb advantage (heck 18 lbs reward weight in my race car made a significant difference in lap times towards end of my races and that's 1700 lb race car) ... yeah I'd say that's A LOT more impressive than Marquez crashing out.

But, point being I wanted to watch the battle for 1 thru 6 because it was close until Jorge established a good gap then it was a battle for 2-6. Don't care how many championships anyone has, I want to watch those racing for position, not Marquez's ass in 17th.
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Calling straw man on me while perpetrating a straw man yourself?. Nice.

If Rossi has 9 then Márquez has 6, and if MM has 4 then Rossi has 7, in both cases MM has 1 more than Rossi at the same age of 25. My point was currency, not total titles won, but as even you seem to have picked up MM is 25, not 39, and has a fair shot at getting to 9/7 or better, which is rather the problem both for Rossi and his fans such as you.

As far as size and age are concerned, it is Rossi’s choice to be riding at his size and age, and other sports are and were open to him. There has never been a rule in gp bike racing history whereby riders receive extra points for being older or heavier. Very few would suggest he is not riding very well for a 39 year old in any case, and I am not among those who do.

The TV coverage properly focused on the leading riders for the second half of the race. MM is not down the field enough to draw firm conclusions about how much the TV coverage focuses on him when he is down there, but there is a large sample size in regard to Rossi in the same situation and he is often followed and discussed more than riders ahead of him in that circumstance. MM’s attempted save was spectacular as is his wont where saves are concerned, and he also has quite some history of gaining places by spectacular riding when he finds himself down the field.

Whatever you think of this forum in general, and like Rossi in MotoGP it is your choice to participate, your posts have been almost exclusively attacks on MM, by any standard a great rider himself, so you are in no moral or logical position to complain about attitudes to Rossi imo.
 
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robains said:
Ah welcome to the internet, how to take what was NOT said and turn it into something completely different ... so by your OWN logic, since Rossi has 9 titles and Marquez only 4, they should be covering Rossi 24/7?

The facts - Marquez crashed and there was a good battle going on for 1-6 position, but we get to see Marquez hobble around in 17th because he won 4 championships? Why? Does anyone care about someone that crashed and in last place? Marquez has a very small fan following but I guess with all that Yellow smoke around the circuit it would be hard to find any Marquez fans in Italy. Hell, even in the many Spain races, there is still more Yellow fan following.

I see you've avoided the other questions?

Zarco has more talent the Marquez ... but given Vinales can't make the Yamaha work in hot weather, Zarco can't make it work in hot weather and Rossi managed to somehow come out 3rd in a "Ducati" track under high heat is pretty impressive ... doing it at 39 years old (a full 14 years older than Marquez), and being 6 ft tall (a big handicap for MotoGP, especially top speed) and Marquez tiny at 5'5", Rossi being 148 lbs and Marquez 130 lbs so Marquez has 18 lb advantage (heck 18 lbs reward weight in my race car made a significant difference in lap times towards end of my races and that's 1700 lb race car) ... yeah I'd say that's A LOT more impressive than Marquez crashing out.

But, point being I wanted to watch the battle for 1 thru 6 because it was close until Jorge established a good gap then it was a battle for 2-6. Don't care how many championships anyone has, I want to watch those racing for position, not Marquez's ass in 17th.
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WTF, is there like a Rossi excuse handbook being distributed to fan boy members. Face it dude, Rossi is old news, happens in all sports. He hasnt won a title in 9 years, how ....... long can you hang on. Just be happy that your idol is one of the all time greats and is credited for bringing GP to be a mainstream sport. He will be around for decades as an owner , something else you can wallow in but ....... man, this is some of the most pitiful, desperate .... I have seen. It’s like an aging beauty queen syndrome but weirder because you are just some fanatic who’s life is consumed with defending some dudes virtues who wouldn’t take the time to piss in your ear if your brain was on fire.
 
synn said:
The end result in both cases is that you bleed from your mangina.
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You are the guys so cut up by criticism of Rossi on this small corner of the Internet despite him being so widely venerated elsewhere that you felt the need to join the forum. Disproportionate criticism of Rossi in comparison with his rivals has hardly been a defining characteristic of the last 2 decades of GP bike racing.
 
michaelm said:
You are the guys so cut up by criticism of Rossi on this small corner of the Internet despite him being so widely venerated elsewhere that you felt the need to join the forum. Disproportionate criticism of Rossi in comparison with his rivals has hardly been a defining characteristic of the last 2 decades of GP bike racing.
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You really ought to put a rag on it, you know...
 
synn said:
You really ought to put a rag on it, you know...
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As I said, I am not the one who has to immediately resort to argumentum ad hominem in most of his posts, and merely continue to argue a point of view I have consistently argued on this forum for a decade or more, modified by events as they occur, and feel no need to join other forums to preach against heresy, as opposed to you who has felt the need to join this forum and to preach against what you seem to view as heretical notions expressed by a number of posters on here.
 
michaelm said:
As I said, I am not the one who has to immediately resort to argumentum ad hominem in most of his posts, and merely continue to argue a point of view I have consistently argued on this forum for a decade or more, modified by events as they occur, and feel no need to join other forums to preach against heresy, as opposed to you who has felt the need to join this forum and to preach against what you seem to view as heretical notions expressed by a number of posters on here.
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A decade long period sounds very uncomfortable.
 
robains said:
Marquez, crash or win ... crash! I just wish the commentators would stop pretending that Marquez has learned something over the years, he hasn't. Not a thing.

Crash or win ... he almost did the same thing in Valencia last year and tossed away his championship to Dovi. I've never seen such an idiotic rider with zero common sense.

Doesn't change the facts, Marquez crashed and we had to waste two laps with a view of his ass racing for 17th ... how exciting!! Jorge might have liked the view of his ass, but I was more interested in what was going on up front in spots 1-6 ... you know, with the riders that actually had enough talent to stay ON their bikes.

Rossi was no where near as aggressive as Marquez, and Jorge won plenty of championships without crashing everyone out and being stupid aggressive like Marquez. I understand it's hard for you Marquez thumpers to accept the limitations of Marquez's intellectual power, but how many riders in the MotoGP paddock have said they want to be just like Marquez, vs. those that have said they want to be just like Rossi???

No takers? That would be 0 for Marquez and about 15 for Rossi (riders that have publicly stated as much).

So how much has Marquez given back to MotoGP??

Rossi has established a VR Rider's academy, invites most of the paddock to his motorcycle training ranch, owns Sky Racing Team for Moto3 and Moto2 ... and what has Marquez done? Sold poster of "I'm the greatest" do those silly victory dances (what a boy, grow up)?

And lets face it, Rossi's current lady friend is something the little boy Marquez can only dream about:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/moto...o-rossis-stunning-model-girlfriend-instagram/

But there again, I guess most of you Marquez fanatics don't want to see him with a girl.

Cheers, Rob.
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Some of your points are correct, they did spend too much time following Marc once he was in 17th and it was entirely his fault that he crashed. He should have learned to not be in the 'win it or bin it' mind set.

But your other reasoning is a bit toilet, mate.
The other riders that you state don't want to be like Marc simply don't have the ability to push a bike like Marc does. It sounds harsh, but it is true and some have stated as such.
Unfortunately, stating that because riders stayed on in one race, they have more talent than Marc is using the exception to try and prove your case. I would suggest looking at a wider pattern of empirical data to see where the talent lies in Motogp and that would be the last 5 seasons and who the winner was.

Yes, Vale has done an awful lot for the sport. But how much of the team ownership, riders academy/ranch did he have established when he was Marc's age (25)?

I am sorry you don't like that Marc has done a couple of dances when winning, so I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Vale used to have all sorts of victory celebrations. So if this is a criteria for whether or not you like a rider then you might want to revise your allegiances.

As for the girlfriend, well I don't really know what to say about that argument that you have brought to the table. Do you genuinely in your heart of hearts think that that is a valid reason for Marc being a lesser racer than Vale? You have to admit that is a bit puerile. What dastardly plans do you have for Marc? Kick him in the shins, push him into a bush and steal his lunch money?
 
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robains said:
Marquez, crash or win ... crash! I just wish the commentators would stop pretending that Marquez has learned something over the years, he hasn't. Not a thing.

Crash or win ... he almost did the same thing in Valencia last year and tossed away his championship to Dovi. I've never seen such an idiotic rider with zero common sense.

Doesn't change the facts, Marquez crashed and we had to waste two laps with a view of his ass racing for 17th ... how exciting!! Jorge might have liked the view of his ass, but I was more interested in what was going on up front in spots 1-6 ... you know, with the riders that actually had enough talent to stay ON their bikes.

Rossi was no where near as aggressive as Marquez, and Jorge won plenty of championships without crashing everyone out and being stupid aggressive like Marquez. I understand it's hard for you Marquez thumpers to accept the limitations of Marquez's intellectual power, but how many riders in the MotoGP paddock have said they want to be just like Marquez, vs. those that have said they want to be just like Rossi???

No takers? That would be 0 for Marquez and about 15 for Rossi (riders that have publicly stated as much).

So how much has Marquez given back to MotoGP??

Rossi has established a VR Rider's academy, invites most of the paddock to his motorcycle training ranch, owns Sky Racing Team for Moto3 and Moto2 ... and what has Marquez done? Sold poster of "I'm the greatest" do those silly victory dances (what a boy, grow up)?

And lets face it, Rossi's current lady friend is something the little boy Marquez can only dream about:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/moto...o-rossis-stunning-model-girlfriend-instagram/

But there again, I guess most of you Marquez fanatics don't want to see him with a girl.

Cheers, Rob.
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Still 4 titles in 5 years of motoGP. That's quite a lot for a guy that can't learn a thing.


All the rest of your post isn't worth a reply. I just feel sorry for you, you seem really angry at the world.
 
robains said:
Marquez, crash or win ... crash! I just wish the commentators would stop pretending that Marquez has learned something over the years, he hasn't. Not a thing.

Crash or win ... he almost did the same thing in Valencia last year and tossed away his championship to Dovi. I've never seen such an idiotic rider with zero common sense.

Doesn't change the facts, Marquez crashed and we had to waste two laps with a view of his ass racing for 17th ... how exciting!! Jorge might have liked the view of his ass, but I was more interested in what was going on up front in spots 1-6 ... you know, with the riders that actually had enough talent to stay ON their bikes.

Rossi was no where near as aggressive as Marquez, and Jorge won plenty of championships without crashing everyone out and being stupid aggressive like Marquez. I understand it's hard for you Marquez thumpers to accept the limitations of Marquez's intellectual power, but how many riders in the MotoGP paddock have said they want to be just like Marquez, vs. those that have said they want to be just like Rossi???

No takers? That would be 0 for Marquez and about 15 for Rossi (riders that have publicly stated as much).

So how much has Marquez given back to MotoGP??

Rossi has established a VR Rider's academy, invites most of the paddock to his motorcycle training ranch, owns Sky Racing Team for Moto3 and Moto2 ... and what has Marquez done? Sold poster of "I'm the greatest" do those silly victory dances (what a boy, grow up)?

And lets face it, Rossi's current lady friend is something the little boy Marquez can only dream about:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/moto...o-rossis-stunning-model-girlfriend-instagram/

But there again, I guess most of you Marquez fanatics don't want to see him with a girl.

Cheers, Rob.
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Just when you start to think rossi might be maturing .... theres always some dick that reminds me of why rossi sucks. :rolleyes:
 
It's ironic because I've sat with people who have never watched racing before and been asked if the commentators talk about anyone other than Rossi.
 
michaelm said:
Yes, this guy argues even more weakly than you do.

His logical fallacies do differ from yours, so I guess there is that.
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You mean using your own logic against your POV ... and then you "adjust" your logic ... the moving target of "your" logic. Gee where have I seen this before, oh in every one of your posts.

And then the perpetual putting words in my mouth that weren't actually said or inferred ... in a pathetic attempt to validate "your logic".

Don't hate the world, don't hate any other MotoGP rider in any class, except Marquez ... he warrants hate because of his actions on track. But hey, there is good news, Marquez is testing out an F1 car, a crappy F1 car (junior team Torro Rosso) ... shame, Rossi tested the Ferrari F1 car ... speaking of which how are those F1 Honda engines doing? ... I suppose they are blowing up less frequently than last year, but still way down on power. But I'd love to see Marquez move to F1 but he'll need to rethink his crash or win method of racing.
 
By actions on track he means beating Rossi like a red headed step child and giving as good as Rossi gave to others.

How can you support Rossi after he has been far more malicious than Marquez on track of it's strictly the on track stuffy you have an issue with?
 
robains said:
You mean using your own logic against your POV ... and then you "adjust" your logic ... the moving target of "your" logic. Gee where have I seen this before, oh in every one of your posts.

And then the perpetual putting words in my mouth that weren't actually said or inferred ... in a pathetic attempt to validate "your logic".

Don't hate the world, don't hate any other MotoGP rider in any class, except Marquez ... he warrants hate because of his actions on track. But hey, there is good news, Marquez is testing out an F1 car, a crappy F1 car (junior team Torro Rosso) ... shame, Rossi tested the Ferrari F1 car ... speaking of which how are those F1 Honda engines doing? ... I suppose they are blowing up less frequently than last year, but still way down on power. But I'd love to see Marquez move to F1 but he'll need to rethink his crash or win method of racing.
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What a sore loser or at least that's how you come across. Dang, relax, tell your parents about this experience and once they made you feel better about yourself and the world by providing a save room or a puppy you can ask'em for permission to come back to this forum again.
 

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