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And the off topic award 2016 season goes to Gaz and JPS

Give us time, we haven't bought or pre-menstrual tension or whether a tree really does fall in the forest or does it grow on the ground



Happy to keep going offline a little if you want :p



But actually, and seriously.

The mental application side is an eye opener when you are amongst top level athletes as to how easy it is for them to start to lose focus, and how hard it is to get back on the right track. If you see it, it really does give an appreciation of the mental strength needed and why some aspects that we criticise occur
 
Watch that pole lap -- Rossi was too far from Vinales at the beginning, then got closer thanks to some remarkable late braking. That's why he could use the slipstream on the last straight. Read Brembo statistics if you need confirmation of the visuals: Rossi was the latest rider on the brakes today. That's how he was able to get close enough. Or do you think that Vinales was waiting for him to "offer" him a slipstream? :happy:

Rossi was also ready to concede that without that slipstream he wouldn't have ended in pole probably -- but he still had to earn it on the brakes. Give Caesar his due... :)
Wipe the .... of your screen for a second. The final last lap Vinales set was the best lap of qual by a long way. Set it all by himself, no late braking reference, only lacked the tow on the straight to get the pole, on a Suzuki. Hey maybe getting rid of Lorenzo is not going to turn out so good after all. Better the devil you know and all that. Wonder how long the 'friendship' is going to last.
 
I have been lucky enough to caddie at some of the Australian professional tournaments at times and man, it really shows the mental side of teh game far stronger when you are there.

I caddied for a guy in the Australian PGA who started the last round with his name on the leaderboard but he started par, bogey, bogey and that was it, he was mentally shot and no matter what we tried he just could not get going again until around the 17th as by then he was 5 over for the round so pressure off and he relaxed. It was really illuminating to watch as this guy had won tournaments in Oz and Asia (and done so since) and yet the mental side of it all let him down as once he started the slide , he just could not recover

No doubt similar applies to all top sports but being there and amongst it just gives a hell of an insight into how easy it can start and how hard to stop it can be.

That's the thing that really sets the great golfers apart from the good ones. A lot of guys, as soon as they see their name on top of the leaderboard, it has a negative effect where they seem unable to deal with the possibility they are in a position to win a tournament. Self-fulfilling prophecy really. The greats don't back down when they are at the top of the leaderboard. It's really something marvelous to watch. Sergio Garcia while he has won plenty of tournaments, found numerous ways to piss away major tournaments with the self-defeatist attitude he exhibits on the course. You'll see it in the interviews where he will talk about how it wasn't his day, etc. He was in a great position to win the Open Championship a few years back and figured out how to gag himself down the leaderboards.

The duality of how you can defeat yourself was best exhibited by Lee Trevino. He won 6 majors, but never a Masters. He hated Augusta National tremendously, and always played poorly there for a player of his caliber...his best finish was 10th, yet he won the other three majors, twice each. Go figure.

Very cool that you have done caddying at a pro level, thanks for sharing that! It really is incredible how they can piss away a lead, and then finally relax once they slide back down the boards.
 
Wipe the .... of your screen for a second. The final last lap Vinales set was the best lap of qual by a long way. Set it all by himself, no late braking reference, only lacked the tow on the straight to get the pole, on a Suzuki. Hey maybe getting rid of Lorenzo is not going to turn out so good after all. Better the devil you know and all that. Wonder how long the 'friendship' is going to last.

Bang on! ;)
 
Good thing he has Vinales to tow him around the circuit.

Maybe Vinales will be another Colin Edwards for two years.


I'm sure there are bonuses in his contract. Maybe he already banked one for next year.


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So anyway... haha

Any bets on if Crutchy, Dovi and Iannone will actually make it through the race? lol
 
His performances this season are taking everyone by surprise. According to some I'm a 'bopper' but I have to say I love the sport first, Rossi is my favourite rider and Dani is my #2


What's your star sign Mylie?


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So anyway... haha

Any bets on if Crutchy, Dovi and Iannone will actually make it through the race? lol



Ianonne for the win, Marquez second, Vinales third with Rossi fourth but mistakenly following Vinales to parc ferme as he was getting a tow into the pits :p
 
*Disclaimer: While I am a fan, I'm not as full knowledgeable on all the ins and outs like a few are here

Want to win:
1st - Rossi
2nd - iannone
3rd - Dovi

What i think will happen:
1st - Rossi (may be wishful thinking still)
2nd and 3rd - Lorenzo or Marquez

I think Iannone will end up taking himself out (I doubt it will happen but past history is amusing nonetheless) and as much as I dont want either Lorenzo or Marquez on the podium, I think they'll swallow up Vin
 
Yeah golf is a sport, I play it.

While not the most physically demanding sport out there by any stretch of the imagination, the mental drain far exceeds any other sport I've ever played. The adage is 10% physical, 90% mental.

KR Sr. said years ago that success in racing was 99% intellect and that balls alone never makes a great rider. He's also an avid golfer.
 
IMO Rossi shouldn't bother to race Iannone early in the race unless absolutely necessary (Jorge or Marc is right on his ...). He should bet on Iannone crashing out and make sure not be too close to him when it happens.
 
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I have been lucky enough to caddie at some of the Australian professional tournaments at times and man, it really shows the mental side of teh game far stronger when you are there.



I caddied for a guy in the Australian PGA who started the last round with his name on the leaderboard but he started par, bogey, bogey and that was it, he was mentally shot and no matter what we tried he just could not get going again until around the 17th as by then he was 5 over for the round so pressure off and he relaxed. It was really illuminating to watch as this guy had won tournaments in Oz and Asia (and done so since) and yet the mental side of it all let him down as once he started the slide , he just could not recover



No doubt similar applies to all top sports but being there and amongst it just gives a hell of an insight into how easy it can start and how hard to stop it can be.


I tried to play golf for a while and really enjoyed the learning process. I heard once that there is st like 36 degrees of freedom in a golf swing so it's impossible to control it consciously. There are lots of drills and AIDS you can use to train elements of the swing and can be very productive to practice like that. In the end though, the swing needs to be unconscious: just let the training take over. Like a zen state. So it means any "thinking" will .... you up and I guess that's what happens when people choke.

I would be really surprised if confidence didn't play a similar role in motor sport.


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IMO Rossi shouldn't bother to try and race Iannone early in the race unless absolutely necessary (Jorge or Marc is right on his ...). He should bet on Iannone crashing out and make sure not be too close to him when it happens.

And if Ianonne doesn't read the script and beats VR, at least he knows what to expect on his social media accounts :p
 
And if Ianonne doesn't read the script and beats VR, at least he knows what to expect on his social media accounts :p

Lol, Iannone may get some backlash from Rossi fans, but Rossi doesn't need to be concerned if Ianonne wins. Only riders Rossi needs to make sure he beats are Marc and Jorge.
 

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