MotoGP: 2016 Round 06 - Gran Premio d'Italia TIM (SPOILERS)

Brilliant stuff from Marc in the last few corners. The talent and the genius of the kid is just ridicolous: on equal machinery, he would beat the .... out of literally anyone in the world (currently). Props also to Jorge for not going into conservative mode thus allowing his 100% superior engine/acceleration to make the difference on the final straight.

This race also tells us unequivocally one very important thing about the championship: the only possible contender for the final triumph-repeat by Lorenzo answers to the name of Valentino. But in the next two races Jorge can virtually crown himself 2016 champion and make this a "dominating monologue" type of season.

Some more pics

One thing yesterday proved is that while GP will be fine without Rossi it will still need another great rider to fill the gap left , granted Marquez and Lorenzo and possibly Dani will be there, but I don't see anyone else being quite there to challenge those guys.

Daniboy said:

One thing yesterday proved is that while GP will be fine without Rossi it will still need another great rider to fill the gap left , granted Marquez and Lorenzo and possibly Dani will be there, but I don't see anyone else being quite there to challenge those guys.

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Not to be a prick about it, but were that the case why would Yamaha sign Vinales, Suzuki bank on Ianonne etc

The talent is there, the question is whether the equipment that they are provided with will enable these talents to come to the fore, or if they will be hindered by the equipment

I may well be laughed at but IMO, there is plenty of similar talent around that will challenge these guys, but the critical piece of the puzzle is the equipment as with so few competitive rides, it restricts the ability of the talent to shine.

Thats exactly it Gaz. I have no doubt in my mind if a talented rider got Rossi's seat, they'd be there or thereabouts with where it is now.

Another video - but two angles, the same ange as posted before and an aerial shot

https://streamable.com/1o4u


And a pic at the finish

Luckily it was Rossi's engine going up in smoke during the race, and not Lorenzo's, otherwise we'd be hearing conspiracy theorems all over this place. We are still treated to semi-suppressed exultation, but that is to be expected whenever Rossi fails to perform for whatever reason.

I honestly think that Rossi was the only one of the top three with the potential to build a half second advantage on the other two. He was jus testing Lorenzo at the San Donato, where Jorge was also great on the brakes resisting those attempts -- but it seemed he had a little bit more in reserve. When he went wide it was because he made a mistake with the gears, not because he was trying hard. I know this is a moot point to debate now, but it was my impression until his engine blew up.

The last lap battle between Lorenzo and Marquez repayed all true Italian lovers of the sport of the Rossi disappointment, while those who left early were evidently the fans borrowed from football. It's normal behavior in the stadiums to leave when your team is irrimediably losing. Same for the TV audience. I agree this kind of fans are a nuisance, but they do buy tickets and subscriptions.

Dovi and Iannone both showed good things, but none of them would have been on the podium had Rossi stayed in contention. Ducati looks good, and Suzuki also. Both could even be considered better than the current Honda. Iannone and Vinales will be able to fight the likes of Lorenzo, Rossi, Marquez and Pedrosa, more and more.

J4rn0 said:

We are still treated to semi-suppressed exultation, but that is to be expected whenever Rossi fails to perform for whatever reason.

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What you mean like these to name but 3?

JPSLotus said:

Would rather have seen Rossi still out there against Lorenzo and Marquez.

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michaelm said:

I think Rossi had a fair chance of winning without the engine failure, although Jorge on this occasion as well as MM was just as fast at the end of the race as at the beginning.

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JPSLotus said:

Kind of a shame though, was hoping to see that battle go to the very end.

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Gaz said:

Not to be a prick about it, but were that the case why would Yamaha sign Vinales, Suzuki bank on Ianonne etc

The talent is there, the question is whether the equipment that they are provided with will enable these talents to come to the fore, or if they will be hindered by the equipment

I may well be laughed at but IMO, there is plenty of similar talent around that will challenge these guys, but the critical piece of the puzzle is the equipment as with so few competitive rides, it restricts the ability of the talent to shine.

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I appreciate your points and I hope they come through the barrier between good and great, yes the equipment matters but Lorenzo,Marquez,Pedrosa and Rossi have that extra edge to their talents . It remains to be seen whether the upcoming riders also have that.

J4rn0 said:

Luckily it was Rossi's engine going up in smoke during the race, and not Lorenzo's, otherwise we'd be hearing conspiracy theorems all over this place. We are still treated to semi-suppressed exultation, but that is to be expected whenever Rossi fails to perform for whatever reason.

I honestly think that Rossi was the only one of the top three with the potential to build a half second advantage on the other two. He was jus testing Lorenzo at the San Donato, where Jorge was also great on the brakes resisting those attempts -- but it seemed he had a little bit more in reserve. When he went wide it was because he made a mistake with the gears, not because he was trying hard. I know this is a moot point to debate now, but it was my impression until his engine blew up.

The last lap battle between Lorenzo and Marquez repayed all true Italian lovers of the sport of the Rossi disappointment, while those who left early were evidently the fans borrowed from football. It's normal behavior in the stadiums to leave when your team is irrimediably losing. Same for the TV audience. I agree this kind of fans are a nuisance, but they do buy tickets and subscriptions.

Dovi and Iannone both showed good things, but none of them would have been on the podium had Rossi stayed in contention. Ducati looks good, and Suzuki also. Both could even be considered better than the current Honda. Iannone and Vinales will be able to fight the likes of Lorenzo, Rossi, Marquez and Pedrosa, more and more.

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Almost 20 years back, streams of people left PI after Doohan binned it. Pathetic then, pathetic now

Daniboy said:

I appreciate your points and I hope they come through the barrier between good and great, yes the equipment matters but Lorenzo,Marquez,Pedrosa and Rossi have that extra edge to their talents . It remains to be seen whether the upcoming riders also have that.

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But how do you (and I) know that the four you name are so superior in talent unless the others have access to the same equipment (and equipment includes teams etc) with which to try to display THEIR talent?

It isn't that long ago that people wondered why a certain rider was elevated to the MotoGP class after a few wins in the then 250cc class following his 125cc career. There were no champion ships in the lower class and his first year in the main class resulted in him earning a somewhat condescending nickname due to a large number of trips to the gravel and medical units. The following year he was given a factory bike that would allow him to show his talents and show those talents he did.

He was not the first choice for that factory ride, nor the second choice and yet the rest is history in what he could achieve because he got an opportunity on top flight equipment.

You may have the greatest golfer in the world, but if he does not have clubs than can he be that great a golfer?

Dr No said:

Almost 20 years back, streams of people left PI after Doohan binned it. Pathetic then, pathetic now

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Quitting in Australia is a national pasttime

9TimeGod said:

Quitting in Australia is a national pasttime

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How's it going JK?

Dr No said:

Almost 20 years back, streams of people left PI after Doohan binned it. Pathetic then, pathetic now

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But then, they had stored the beer in the tents just outside the front gates so being Aussies figured to make an early start on the paralytic drunken shenanigans.

Plus it was near penguin colony time and I mean, those little fuckers down there at the island are bloody cute groovy critters so yeah, stuff the bikes

9TimeGod said:

Quitting in Australia is a national pasttime

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Not all of them ..... Toby Price never quit when he broke his back/neck and this year won the biggest race of them all within the off road fraternity

That said, we do quit, but we quit because we are well ahead of every one else

9TimeGod said:

Quitting in Australia is a national pasttime

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You'd know a lot about that, given you have quit all of your previous alias'

J4rn0 said:

Luckily it was Rossi's engine going up in smoke during the race, and not Lorenzo's, otherwise we'd be hearing conspiracy theorems all over this place. We are still treated to semi-suppressed exultation, but that is to be expected whenever Rossi fails to perform for whatever reason.

I honestly think that Rossi was the only one of the top three with the potential to build a half second advantage on the other two. He was jus testing Lorenzo at the San Donato, where Jorge was also great on the brakes resisting those attempts -- but it seemed he had a little bit more in reserve. When he went wide it was because he made a mistake with the gears, not because he was trying hard. I know this is a moot point to debate now, but it was my impression until his engine blew up.

The last lap battle between Lorenzo and Marquez repayed all true Italian lovers of the sport of the Rossi disappointment, while those who left early were evidently the fans borrowed from football. It's normal behavior in the stadiums to leave when your team is irrimediably losing. Same for the TV audience. I agree this kind of fans are a nuisance, but they do buy tickets and subscriptions.

Dovi and Iannone both showed good things, but none of them would have been on the podium had Rossi stayed in contention. Ducati looks good, and Suzuki also. Both could even be considered better than the current Honda. Iannone and Vinales will be able to fight the likes of Lorenzo, Rossi, Marquez and Pedrosa, more and more.

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J4rn0, there are days when I have to admire your devotion to ignorance.

I've already stated in the past here, that while no fan of Rossi, I would rather see him lose a straight fight on the track to Lorenzo, Marquez, or whomever else, because it prevents this sour grapes .... from his fans, where you say there'd be conspiracy theories about Lorenzo's engine going had the situation been the inverse. If the situation had been reversed, I'd be questioning what led to Yamaha's decision to not swap or replace the engine in light of Rossi's engine blowing up in the morning warm-up in that hypothetical scenario. Obviously whatever the root cause of the engine failure for Lorenzo, it was not concerning enough for Yamaha to feel it warranted a change for Rossi too.

Particularly bothersome with your post is this insistence that Rossi was just testing Lorenzo coming down into San Donato. You accuse the non-Rossi fans of semi-exhultation over Rossi's engine failure, yet here you are pulling the classic Rossi bopper tactic of disparaging what Lorenzo was doing during the laps Rossi was out there; it can't be possible Lorenzo was outbraking Rossi, Rossi had something in reserve. Lorenzo talked about working on setting up the brakes on the M1 specifically to go deeper into the corners, and San Donato in particular since whoever can brake latest there has a huge advantage. Now, I do think the possibility exists that Rossi may have gotten past Lorenzo, but Lorenzo was also as usual a man on a mission. To deny Rossi a victory in front of his home crowd would have been a huge bonus for Jorge, or even Marc for that matter. We do not know how that race unfolds in the latter third if Rossi is still out there, and it is very possible Marquez in the mix hurts Rossi. Either way Lorenzo's performance was stellar and certainly the win was aided by the Honda's acceleration woes...but to win, he had to be there at the very end.

J4rn0 said:

I honestly think that Rossi was the only one of the top three with the potential to build a half second advantage on the other two. He was jus testing Lorenzo at the San Donato, where Jorge was also great on the brakes resisting those attempts -- but it seemed he had a little bit more in reserve. When he went wide it was because he me.

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Potential, coulda, shoulda. Like they said, if my aunt has a .... then she would be my uncle.

Testing? Lol. If you honestly think what you said then you are delusional. Rossi tried multiple times at turned 1 and FAILED!! But hey if that makes you feel better.

The way Lorenzo defended his positions against Rossi in the early stages and against Marquez late in the race, one could say he was determined to win in enemy's territory. He wants to make sure the rossi fans at the track go home and cry in their yellow pillows last night, and he succeeded judging by his celebration in parc femme. I can't tell what that celebration meant. His celebration on the podium basically tell the yellow idiots there, fk you all !!

JPSLotus said:

We do not know how that race unfolds in the latter third if Rossi is still out there, and it is very possible Marquez in the mix hurts Rossi.

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So just saying something pretty obvious to any unbiased watcher like "Rossi could have won" is ignorance and speculation, but you 1) predicting an hypothetical 3 men battle (when in fact nobody can tell if there even would have been one; IMO very unlikely; I think Marquez, had Rossi stayed in the race, would have fought only one of the two Yamahas anyway, with the other blue bike finishing first) and 2) adding to that the "" very possible"" psycho-novel element of Rossi going nuts and losing it with the presence of Marquez shadow hanging over his shoulder is... objective analysis??

You're just a bopper in reverse.

CharlieParker said:

So just saying something pretty obvious to any unbiased watcher like "Rossi could have won" is ignorance and speculation, but you 1) predicting an hypothetical 3 men battle (when in fact nobody can tell if there even would have been one; IMO very unlikely; I think Marquez, had Rossi stayed in the race, would have fought only one of the two Yamahas anyway, with the other blue bike finishing first) and 2) adding to that the "" very possible"" psycho-novel element of Rossi going nuts and losing it with the presence of Marquez shadow hanging over his shoulder is... objective analysis??

You're just a bopper in reverse.

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Not totally, read that J4rn0 said:

J4rn0 said:

I honestly think that Rossi was the only one of the top three with the potential to build a half second advantage on the other two. He was jus testing Lorenzo at the San Donato,

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He has stated that as fact, with no evidence to back that statement up. That is what grinds certain posters on here, myself included, about J4rn0. He makes statements and proclaims them as fact because he is Italian, as is Rossi and as are Ducati.