MotoGP: 2016 Round 06 - Gran Premio d'Italia TIM (SPOILERS)

Daniboy said:

Have you ever had something important .... up on you? There is definitely a feeling brought on by stress that takes your mind away from reality in the moment.

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These guys are mature professionals, do you really imagine that their minds are so easily clouded? He's old enough to know better: it's arrogant to be such a drama queen in that situation.


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Cool Blue said:

These guys are mature professionals, do you really imagine that their minds are so easily clouded? He's old enough to know better: it's arrogant to be such a drama queen in that situation.


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Cynics could say he was trying to stop the race and pull Lorenzo back into the pack via a restart. I'm not saying he was, but he's certainly ruthless and savvy enough to think of it if not try it.

Daniboy said:

He was probably just so gutted that he was in a surreal world where things can seem to not be happening.

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He was probably thinking," .... looks like I won't be getting my "10th"" haha title this year. "

yamfan said:

Cynics could say he was trying to stop the race and pull Lorenzo back into the pack via a restart. I'm not saying he was, but he's certainly ruthless and savvy enough to think of it if not try it.

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Interesting theory. As cunning as Rossi is, it might have been!!

Keshav said:

I see you're going for the "I thrive on being humiliated" option. Carry on.

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I'll think about stopping if I actually feel 'humiliated' trouble is I don't so you'll just have to put up with me for now.

Keshav said:

I see you're going for the "I thrive on being humiliated" option. Carry on.

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C'mon Kesh if we are John Stewart, he's our George Bush!


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Daniboy said:

I'll think about stopping if I actually feel 'humiliated' trouble is I don't so you'll just have to put up with me for now.

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Well, one day the neurons might all line up and deliver an "oh... I see..." moment. If it happens it will probably be the start of your learning journey. The thing we notice about most of your posts is the complete lack of thought behind them.


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Cool Blue said:

C'mon Kesh if we are John Stewart, he's our George Bush!


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John Stewart is funny, you may need to swot up on some decent one liners first.

Daniboy said:

John Stewart is funny, you may need to swot up on some decent one liners first.

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I'd say we have more of a Meagan Kelly v Donald Trump situation here.

wannaride said:

The fairings have catch basins to contain any fluid.

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The basins do not hold the full amount of engine oil that bikes do use or contain within the motor plus when the bike lets go, under some circumstances the oil can be thrown/flow out the exhaust or in extreme cases if the motor lets go in a big way it can hole casings (extremely rare in bikes - cannot recall the last time this occurred without an accident first)

Daniboy said:

Have you ever had something important .... up on you? There is definitely a feeling brought on by stress that takes your mind away from reality in the moment.

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Maybe true, but in bikes once you know the damage you get off the racing line and where possible onto the grass at a marshall point.

VR clearly is disappointed when it lets go but to then maintain on the track is poor form. It would actually be interesting to see at what point after the smoke starts does the engine get shut down (have yet to see the full race)

That all said, this happens so rarely now one wonders if the riders even remember the courtesy of reactions when it does (admittedly JL has not forgotten)

yamfan said:

Cynics could say he was trying to stop the race and pull Lorenzo back into the pack via a restart. I'm not saying he was, but he's certainly ruthless and savvy enough to think of it if not try it.

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Except as the cause of the Red Flag he would be excluded from the restart (unless the rules have changed)

Richy56 said:

Great race, Rossi would have been up there but Lorenzo was up for it and was far superior on the brakes.

Marquez rode the knackers off that Honda. Both of them derserved it.

Vinales bottled it.

Shame the majority of the fans let it down

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Rossi would have won good old rossi style.

Gaz said:

The basins do not hold the full amount of engine oil that bikes do use or contain within the motor plus when the bike lets go, under some circumstances the oil can be thrown/flow out the exhaust or in extreme cases if the motor lets go in a big way it can hole casings (extremely rare in bikes - cannot recall the last time this occurred without an accident first)




Maybe true, but in bikes once you know the damage you get off the racing line and where possible onto the grass at a marshall point.

VR clearly is disappointed when it lets go but to then maintain on the track is poor form. It would actually be interesting to see at what point after the smoke starts does the engine get shut down (have yet to see the full race)

That all said, this happens so rarely now one wonders if the riders even remember the courtesy of reactions when it does (admittedly JL has not forgotten)

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I based my theory on what I saw at the time, granted he should have left the track asap but if his head was in bits he may have not noticed the bike smoking like he would normally. *not trying to state this as a fact*

Daniboy said:

I based my theory on what I saw at the time, granted he should have left the track asap but if his head was in bits he may have not noticed the bike smoking like he would normally. *not trying to state this as a fact*

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What, he could have been thrown by something unexpected? That was an argument specifically rejected in regard to MM's response at Sepang 2015 when another rider aimed his bike at him.

tps7c said:

Even a bopper such as myself has to admit that was an outstanding last lap battle. My only disappointment is the notion of what the last battle could have been is there were three bikes involved.

I'm also looking forward to the conspiracy theorists and what they will say about this double engine failure situation.

Anyone have any insight on what may have caused these similar failures?

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They have got the engines turned up pretty high and they both wore out at a similar time with similar wear.

Daniboy said:

I based my theory on what I saw at the time, granted he should have left the track asap but if his head was in bits he may have not noticed the bike smoking like he would normally. *not trying to state this as a fact*

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Unless he looked behind him he would not know of the smoke, but he would have (and did) feel the significant loss of power and different engine behaviour and as he stated 'he pulled wide'

These things do not have mirrors so generally they need to 'feel' the issue at which point they will look backwards/down and see the issue or other riders may indicate (given where he was on the track, this is unlikely as others may not have been close enough or racing alone that would allow time). Alternately on some tracks as they go through a turn they may see the smoke trail they are leaving behind for themselves

Gaz said:

Except as the cause of the Red Flag he would be excluded from the restart (unless the rules have changed)

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That's not what he means Gaz, he's talking about damage control.


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Daniboy said:

I based my theory on what I saw at the time, granted he should have left the track asap but if his head was in bits he may have not noticed the bike smoking like he would normally. *not trying to state this as a fact*

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You say you based your theory in what you saw. So you "saw" that his head was in bits?
And then you go on to say that your not stating an unspecified subject as a fact. Are you talking about your lay observation about his emotional state or your supposition about him not noticing the bike was smoking? It's not clear, but either way your thinking and your attempt at expressing it is jumbled nonsense by any measure. Do you disagree?


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Daniboy said:

I don't know or care if anyone cares, I do get a bit of positive feedback on some posts though. And be honest, have I ever talked fanboy stuff? If defending ridiculous accusations is fanboyism then yes, guilty as charged. It's a Moto GP site anyway, not specifically for any rider so all should be welcome.

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On the contrary, what those you take issue with on here are doing is defending JL and MM against ridiculous accusations made by your boy and taken up by his fans of your ilk rather rather strongly. You actually have no arguments to defend Rossi in regard to the events of late season 2015, quite possibly because there are none, and hence continue to make content free posts which can largely be summarised by "oh no it's not" as I have pointed out, and assert the superiority of your position apparently on the basis that you say nothing calmly, in comparison with the greater vehemence of some of your opponents in their presentation of actual arguments.

In this thread the 2 riders about whom you have been doing considerable carping just rode with particular genius and put on the race of the decade, yet you still continue to carp smugly. I have to agree with Keshav on this occasion.

This race of course proved nothing about Rossi, other than that JL might have had something left for a last lap battle with Rossi at PI last year should that have eventuated as he implied,and for MM at Valencia 2015 for that matter, it was bad luck for Valentino and/or bad management by Yamaha.

Defend Rossi's overall career record all you like, I mostly agree with you about that, although imo his recent behaviour does pretty much prove his complicity in the campaigns of vilification against previous rivals.

Gaz said:

Unless he looked behind him he would not know of the smoke, but he would have (and did) feel the significant loss of power and different engine behaviour and as he stated 'he pulled wide'

These things do not have mirrors so generally they need to 'feel' the issue at which point they will look backwards/down and see the issue or other riders may indicate (given where he was on the track, this is unlikely as others may not have been close enough or racing alone that would allow time). Alternately on some tracks as they go through a turn they may see the smoke trail they are leaving behind for themselves

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The point at which the engine completely blew was two corners in total,he left the track at that point, the rest of it was an obvious loss of power but not so much smoke, and he was well off the racing line as he cruised to the eventual stop.