motogp 1000cc for ducati casey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 17 2009, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you really think his goofy warm up lap technique has any effect on his results? Except this once? And that wasnt a posative one mind you. I seriously could see him scrapping this technique or being told to by ducati. And honestly I don't think it would really bother him to not do this anymore. Do any of his fans want to see him stop doing this?

Heres why I find it disrespectful. Because who wouldn't want to be the last one to warm up there tires? And what gives him the right to do every time? Not only that but he gets to do it without the care of the other riders on the track because they are all visibly in front of him. If everyone spaced out enough to get the kind of free lap Casey gets the warm up lap would take like five minutes. If he did it once in a while no big deal but every damn race. It's not like he is sticking his pointer & and middle fingers around his mouth and sticking his tongue out at their wives or anything, but slightly douchey. I think it would be funny if someone ...... with him and tried to get behind him. I could see it now he would probably pull in his pit at the end of the lap to have a cry. Come on CE, he would do it. He is twisted like I am.

How about a small wager? If he doesn't quit doing it I'll wear a I love New York and Keshav t-shirt fpr my avatar. And if he does quit I'll send you a nice UofM Go Blue t-shirt and you atleast have to put the shirt in your avatar. Are you willing?

I can't say whether his warm-up technique is or isn't giving him an actual advantage - but (and this is something I've yet to see discussed here on the forum) it's a well-known fact that
Racers Are superstitious. If Stoner even believes it gives him an edge - it does; because that belief bolsters his confidence. It's a kind of mental placebo - that really works. As a club racer - this sort of thing was a regular topic of discussion in the pits amongst racers of all calibers. Tho - it seems when racers get to the world level - they're a bit more discreet about their rituals and good luck charms.

Sorry but your train of thought just isn't on any kind of rails at all. Being 15 seconds later onto the grid offers no advantage in terms of tire warmth. Tires don't cool down that quickly. Bet if you interviewed the other riders they would tell you they just couldn't care less. All riders have their idiosyncrasies (DeAngelis' rainbow helment, Vale's hideous sun and dog graphics, Hayden's constantly morphing facial hair etc. and late to the grid is Stoner's.

About the T-shirt contest - I will take your wager - but not for the avatar but - if you're right - I will post a photo of me wearing it in the forum. I wouldn't risk my lucky avatar. Beware... I already have T-shirts ready - with my name on them. We sell 'em at my store www.keshav-music.com

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Dec 18 2009, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread only continues to prove to me that Stoner Boppers are in existence with serious numbers, yet they seem to get away with it without the crap which is inflicted on people who support other riders, namely VR.

Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.

Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Dec 18 2009, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats a nice looking persecution complex you got there talpa!

harden up and stop whining, you starting to sound like CS now..



We're comin' to get ya.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 18 2009, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't say whether his warm-up technique is or isn't giving him an actual advantage - but (and this is something I've yet to see discussed here on the forum) it's a well-known fact that
Racers Are superstitious. If Stoner even believes it gives him an edge - it does; because that belief bolsters his confidence. It's a kind of mental placebo - that really works. As a club racer - this sort of thing was a regular topic of discussion in the pits amongst racers of all calibers. Tho - it seems when racers get to the world level - they're a bit more discreet about their rituals and good luck charms.

Sorry but your train of thought just isn't on any kind of rails at all. Being 15 seconds later onto the grid offers no advantage in terms of tire warmth. Tires don't cool down that quickly. Bet if you interviewed the other riders they would tell you they just couldn't care less. All riders have their idiosyncrasies (DeAngelis' rainbow helment, Vale's hideous sun and dog graphics, Hayden's constantly morphing facial hair etc. and late to the grid is Stoner's.

About the T-shirt contest - I will take your wager - but not for the avatar but - if you're right - I will post a photo of me wearing it in the forum. I wouldn't risk my lucky avatar. Beware... I already have T-shirts ready - with my name on them. We sell 'em at my store www.keshav-music.com

I would agree with you 100% on the superstition thing. Most athletes have them, I know I do. I will concede this one. As to the tire point that was just one of a couple the clean air lap is nice too. But you are right I really don't know how long it takes for tires to cool down. And you being a club racer I will take your word on that also. Can we it least say it might annoy the other riders?


And as for the bet, we have a deal, no avi no problem.



Just checked your site out, thats why you were in the himalayas. Right on bro! I have a whole new repect level for you, like through the roof. I don't know how I am going to be an ... to you after this. Wierd thing was I wrote all of the above posted it and then check your site out. Wow!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 18 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We sell 'em at my store www.keshav-music.com
Cool stuff, man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 18 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't say whether his warm-up technique is or isn't giving him an actual advantage - but (and this is something I've yet to see discussed here on the forum) it's a well-known fact that
Racers Are superstitious. If Stoner even believes it gives him an edge - it does; because that belief bolsters his confidence. It's a kind of mental placebo - that really works. As a club racer - this sort of thing was a regular topic of discussion in the pits amongst racers of all calibers. Tho - it seems when racers get to the world level - they're a bit more discreet about their rituals and good luck charms.

I agree 100% with this.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Sorry but your train of thought just isn't on any kind of rails at all. Being 15 seconds later onto the grid offers no advantage in terms of tire warmth. Tires don't cool down that quickly.
Stoner don't seem to know that so why should the others? Besides, it's not so much about time waiting at the grid as being alone giving the tires a real hard trashing while the others take it easy around the track.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Bet if you interviewed the other riders they would tell you they just couldn't care less.
I doubt that. Stoner being fast from the start and all they care a LOT. That said it's a reason why even club racers take it easy on the warm up lap and that's because it is a warm up lap. The others are not willing to take the risk Stoner took and Valencia showed you all why.

I wouldn't call it disrespect but it fit's into his other slightly arrogant behavior. I kind of like it but fear that it doesn't pay off and the day Rossi or Lorenzo apply the same tactics he'll blow a gasket when being followed around on the warm up lap by one of them. In fact, it surprise me it hasn't happened yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Dec 19 2009, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I doubt that. Stoner being fast from the start and all they care a LOT. That said it's a reason why even club racers take it easy on the warm up lap and that's because it is a warm up lap. The others are not willing to take the risk Stoner took and Valencia showed you all why.

I wouldn't call it disrespect but it fit's into his other slightly arrogant behavior. I kind of like it but fear that it doesn't pay off and the day Rossi or Lorenzo apply the same tactics he'll blow a gasket when being followed around on the warm up lap by one of them. In fact, it surprise me it hasn't happened yet.
In regard to all this I have heard no complaint from any other rider about stoner's warm-up lap strategy. Presumably they could all try the same thing, but no-one has to my knowledge, perhaps for the obvious reason that they consider it too risky as you say. I guess if everyone did it there would be problems with the grid forming in time too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 18 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You caught me out in that one , sort of. If you read the first post I used bonehead it was me saying it was Stoners fault(go back to when I rebutted Roo). I wasn't trying to say he was passing blame off, Keshav did saying it was caused by the perfect storm. I agreed bit still said cs is to blame. There was no hidden agenda in me saying bonehead and mental error, just trying to say he screwed up. Make sure you read this from the beginning of the argument. But I didn't not hear the thing about them re-examining his warm-up strategy, kinda plays right onto what I was saying.

I am sorry to bring up the error from Valencia, but I have given Stoner credit for his come back, and I dont feel this incident discredits his come back at all. I gave him props before and for the record I will give them to him again. But I don't think that would make for a god conversation starter.
You were absolutely entitled to call it a bone-headed move which it self-evidently was, my disagreement was with stoner blaming anyone else for it, concerning which we were perhaps talking at cross-purposes.

I acknowledge that you gave credit to stoner for his comeback; you did say there was less pressure on him as he was not in championship contention with which I do not necessarily disagree. I had thought you were implying his warm-up lap crash was further evidence of his susceptibility to pressure though, an implication which I would find contradictory, but perhaps one that I drew incorrectly. I think the valencia crash if anything was due to overconfidence and inattention rather than pressure.

Our fundamental disagreement concerning whteher stoner's travails this year were due to suceptibility to pressure is not resolvable at this point in time which is why I have not been posting much concerning it; events next year may prove one of us right, and I guess we are both entitled to our different opinions until then .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 18 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would agree with you 100% on the superstition thing. Most athletes have them, I know I do. I will concede this one. As to the tire point that was just one of a couple the clean air lap is nice too. But you are right I really don't know how long it takes for tires to cool down. And you being a club racer I will take your word on that also. Can we it least say it might annoy the other riders?


And as for the bet, we have a deal, no avi no problem.



Just checked your site out, thats why you were in the himalayas. Right on bro! I have a whole new repect level for you, like through the roof. I don't know how I am going to be an ... to you after this. Wierd thing was I wrote all of the above posted it and then check your site out. Wow!

"Don't go changin'"