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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 13 2009, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i predicted when 1000cc motogp and 70% less electronic that will be ending of casey ducati. and maybe will be ben spies vs valentino rossi
Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Care to put your money where your mouth is?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 14 2009, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front."
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
Uhh... that was on Michelins. You may recall that DePuniet also crashed a lot on
Michelins and the crashing ended when he went to Bridgestones. Devil's in the details.
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
Uhh... that was on Michelins. You may recall that DePuniet also crashed a lot on
Michelins and the crashing ended when he went to Bridgestones. Devil's in the details.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 15 2009, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhh... that was on Michelins. You may recall that DePuniet also crashed a lot on
Michelins and the crashing ended when he went to Bridgestones. Devil's in the details.
To be fair, RdP also crashed a lot on Bridgestones with Kawasaki. I still chalk a lot of Stoner's falls up to being a bottom-feeder at Michelin. But the RdP example is a good one. I think a lot of his falls on the Kawasaki/Bridgestone package had a lot to do with immaturity and trying to prove that he deserved a ride like the one Stoner and Pedrosa got. He went to Honda/Michelin and the crashes continued but speed improve. One year later on a Honda/Bridgestone package the crashes decreased dramatically and his speed was even better.
Michelins and the crashing ended when he went to Bridgestones. Devil's in the details.
To be fair, RdP also crashed a lot on Bridgestones with Kawasaki. I still chalk a lot of Stoner's falls up to being a bottom-feeder at Michelin. But the RdP example is a good one. I think a lot of his falls on the Kawasaki/Bridgestone package had a lot to do with immaturity and trying to prove that he deserved a ride like the one Stoner and Pedrosa got. He went to Honda/Michelin and the crashes continued but speed improve. One year later on a Honda/Bridgestone package the crashes decreased dramatically and his speed was even better.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 14 2009, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...., not even I am buying this one. As usual Casey's problems won't be related to his bike riding ability. Do they have any kind of electronics for mental frailty?
Are you fishin'? Or are you just your own secret Santa doing some shopping?
Are you fishin'? Or are you just your own secret Santa doing some shopping?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 15 2009, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...., not even I am buying this one. As usual Casey's problems won't be related to his bike riding ability. Do they have any kind of electronics for mental frailty?
Try this one. Whilst looking for signs and indications to support a theory of frailty you have to ignore his return. A second place, two firsts and a dumb crash - and a race that had he not crashed he was the betting favorite to take.
Maybe, just maybe he was actually sick
It actually fits all of the evidence available.
Frailty or not he came back like a cyclone and didn't look all that frail. And if he can win 2 from 4 races being so "frail" how will his frailty translate to the 1000cc?
Pretty well I'd say.
Try this one. Whilst looking for signs and indications to support a theory of frailty you have to ignore his return. A second place, two firsts and a dumb crash - and a race that had he not crashed he was the betting favorite to take.
Maybe, just maybe he was actually sick
It actually fits all of the evidence available.
Frailty or not he came back like a cyclone and didn't look all that frail. And if he can win 2 from 4 races being so "frail" how will his frailty translate to the 1000cc?
Pretty well I'd say.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Dec 14 2009, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think there is no doubt that CS will be fast on 1000cc bike as well as he was back in 2006 on 990cc but the only problem i can see that he might crash more with his riding style where he rides at 110% all the time and with less help from electronics could be a problem but its hard to say anything at this point, i am sure time will tell.
To assume that Stoner will have to over-ride the bike is to assume
that it will suffer the same issues as it did in it's 800cc form. Expect all the bikes
next season to be quite a bit different. Speculation now is all just a crapshoot.
Who knows? The Ducati may end up being much easier to ride next year. Being
able to ride it more in the Superbike style could mean Stoner will require less finesse
from the suspension - which could very well suit his sliding style. Lots of riders have
said it was easier to ride bikes with sloppy Superbike handling and their less sophisticated Superbike chassis - as compared to the more sophisticated MGP bikes with greater rigidity and decreased feedback. And as has been pointed out before - Stoner isn't overly dependent on electronics anyhow.
To assume that Stoner will have to over-ride the bike is to assume
that it will suffer the same issues as it did in it's 800cc form. Expect all the bikes
next season to be quite a bit different. Speculation now is all just a crapshoot.
Who knows? The Ducati may end up being much easier to ride next year. Being
able to ride it more in the Superbike style could mean Stoner will require less finesse
from the suspension - which could very well suit his sliding style. Lots of riders have
said it was easier to ride bikes with sloppy Superbike handling and their less sophisticated Superbike chassis - as compared to the more sophisticated MGP bikes with greater rigidity and decreased feedback. And as has been pointed out before - Stoner isn't overly dependent on electronics anyhow.
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Further to the Stoners Illness thing you have to wonder.
Looking at 07 he was looking pretty much a cert. to trounce them again in 08 ...... but something happened
If we are truly to accept that he was sick from 08 on then whoaha!!! I wonder if he will be in 07 type form again?
In which case it will be Stoner ..... then a long way back ..... the aliens ....... then a long way back ......... the rest. ?
Could be a good year?
I think Ducati will have to relax a bit again like in 07 ( where mostly they were stunned into relaxation
) otherwise they will have the occasional stuff up again .... tyre warmers off here, Suspension wrong there, etc. etc.
Looking at 07 he was looking pretty much a cert. to trounce them again in 08 ...... but something happened
If we are truly to accept that he was sick from 08 on then whoaha!!! I wonder if he will be in 07 type form again?
In which case it will be Stoner ..... then a long way back ..... the aliens ....... then a long way back ......... the rest. ?
Could be a good year?
I think Ducati will have to relax a bit again like in 07 ( where mostly they were stunned into relaxation
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Dec 15 2009, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try this one. Whilst looking for signs and indications to support a theory of frailty you have to ignore his return. A second place, two firsts and a dumb crash - and a race that had he not crashed he was the betting favorite to take.
Maybe, just maybe he was actually sick
It actually fits all of the evidence available.
Frailty or not he came back like a cyclone and didn't look all that frail. And if he can win 2 from 4 races being so "frail" how will his frailty translate to the 1000cc?
Pretty well I'd say.
Sure ignore the complement I gave him and focus on my one liner. Whether he was sick with whatever you think he had or I think he had or not sick at all. A lot of us knew he would come back rejuvenated, myself included. But to say he is all better because of 3 good results and one mental slip, I would not say he is back.
It's like this: You have a co-worker who comes back from a 3 month vacation/holiday. He is probably in a good ....... mood working a little harder than normal for sometime annoying the piss out of everyone, but give him a while in his old lazy ... traits will come back to the surface. Fortunately for Casey his bonehead maneuver came at the last race of the season giving him plenty of time to recover. I would like to of seen how he would of recovered if there was another race the next weekend. But we will never know. Let see how mid season treats him this year, can't be much worse.
Take a lesson from Keshav, take my joke and spin it. Instead of being a fish and just jumping right in my boat.
Maybe, just maybe he was actually sick
It actually fits all of the evidence available.
Frailty or not he came back like a cyclone and didn't look all that frail. And if he can win 2 from 4 races being so "frail" how will his frailty translate to the 1000cc?
Pretty well I'd say.
Sure ignore the complement I gave him and focus on my one liner. Whether he was sick with whatever you think he had or I think he had or not sick at all. A lot of us knew he would come back rejuvenated, myself included. But to say he is all better because of 3 good results and one mental slip, I would not say he is back.
It's like this: You have a co-worker who comes back from a 3 month vacation/holiday. He is probably in a good ....... mood working a little harder than normal for sometime annoying the piss out of everyone, but give him a while in his old lazy ... traits will come back to the surface. Fortunately for Casey his bonehead maneuver came at the last race of the season giving him plenty of time to recover. I would like to of seen how he would of recovered if there was another race the next weekend. But we will never know. Let see how mid season treats him this year, can't be much worse.
Take a lesson from Keshav, take my joke and spin it. Instead of being a fish and just jumping right in my boat.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 17 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure ignore the complement I gave him and focus on my one liner. Whether he was sick with whatever you think he had or I think he had or not sick at all. A lot of us knew he would come back rejuvenated, myself included. But to say he is all better because of 3 good results and one mental slip, I would not say he is back.
It's like this: You have a co-worker who comes back from a 3 month vacation/holiday. He is probably in a good ....... mood working a little harder than normal for sometime annoying the piss out of everyone, but give him a while in his old lazy ... traits will come back to the surface. Fortunately for Casey his bonehead maneuver came at the last race of the season giving him plenty of time to recover. I would like to of seen how he would of recovered if there was another race the next weekend. But we will never know. Let see how mid season treats him this year, can't be much worse.
Take a lesson from Keshav, take my joke and spin it. Instead of being a fish and just jumping right in my boat.
Seriously tho (not too seriously mind you) but really, nobody really witnessed the fall
and again - we're all only speculating about the why and wherefore of the crash. I
like Jumkie's "Perfect Storm" scenario better. Just bad timing, cold tires at a odd spot
in the track and a strong gust of wind (it was windy as some of B-Fish's posts) and
boom down he goes. Nobody can say definitively that the cause was brain fog. Seems
unlikely as he was in good spirits, well rested, confident, only at the beginning of the race,
not under pressure to win the championship, and to boot on home turf. Gut feeling is it
was just a case of ".... Happens".
It's like this: You have a co-worker who comes back from a 3 month vacation/holiday. He is probably in a good ....... mood working a little harder than normal for sometime annoying the piss out of everyone, but give him a while in his old lazy ... traits will come back to the surface. Fortunately for Casey his bonehead maneuver came at the last race of the season giving him plenty of time to recover. I would like to of seen how he would of recovered if there was another race the next weekend. But we will never know. Let see how mid season treats him this year, can't be much worse.
Take a lesson from Keshav, take my joke and spin it. Instead of being a fish and just jumping right in my boat.
Seriously tho (not too seriously mind you) but really, nobody really witnessed the fall
and again - we're all only speculating about the why and wherefore of the crash. I
like Jumkie's "Perfect Storm" scenario better. Just bad timing, cold tires at a odd spot
in the track and a strong gust of wind (it was windy as some of B-Fish's posts) and
boom down he goes. Nobody can say definitively that the cause was brain fog. Seems
unlikely as he was in good spirits, well rested, confident, only at the beginning of the race,
not under pressure to win the championship, and to boot on home turf. Gut feeling is it
was just a case of ".... Happens".
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 17 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seriously tho (not too seriously mind you) but really, nobody really witnessed the fall
and again - we're all only speculating about the why and wherefore of the crash. I
like Jumkie's "Perfect Storm" scenario better. Just bad timing, cold tires at a odd spot
in the track and a strong gust of wind (it was windy as some of B-Fish's posts) and
boom down he goes. Nobody can say definitively that the cause was brain fog. Seems
unlikely as he was in good spirits, well rested, confident, only at the beginning of the race,
not under pressure to win the championship, and to boot on home turf. Gut feeling is it
was just a case of ".... Happens".
You are right. Except if he ran his warm up laps like everyone else I don't think it would be an issue (his tires would have been warmer by then). So that is the only point I would truely fault him on. But yes I agree with the "perfect storm" theory that the cold tires, weather, and wind played a factor. But you can't take the blame totally off of him for it either he shold have been aware of those factors. Thats part of his bloody job if you ask me. I wonder if this will change the way he does warm up laps in the future? I have stated before I find what he does on his wul as desrespect to the rest of the grid. And sometimes karma bites you in the ....
Thats why I called it a mental slip/bonehead maneuver. Passing blame off is what gets him in the condition he puts himself in. Note Lorenzo's crash on the warm-up lap in the rain this year was a bigger bonehead move by far. He just got luck and was able to race still. Guess he was just searching for the limit.
If you havent seen it here it is.
casey's ooops
and again - we're all only speculating about the why and wherefore of the crash. I
like Jumkie's "Perfect Storm" scenario better. Just bad timing, cold tires at a odd spot
in the track and a strong gust of wind (it was windy as some of B-Fish's posts) and
boom down he goes. Nobody can say definitively that the cause was brain fog. Seems
unlikely as he was in good spirits, well rested, confident, only at the beginning of the race,
not under pressure to win the championship, and to boot on home turf. Gut feeling is it
was just a case of ".... Happens".
You are right. Except if he ran his warm up laps like everyone else I don't think it would be an issue (his tires would have been warmer by then). So that is the only point I would truely fault him on. But yes I agree with the "perfect storm" theory that the cold tires, weather, and wind played a factor. But you can't take the blame totally off of him for it either he shold have been aware of those factors. Thats part of his bloody job if you ask me. I wonder if this will change the way he does warm up laps in the future? I have stated before I find what he does on his wul as desrespect to the rest of the grid. And sometimes karma bites you in the ....
Thats why I called it a mental slip/bonehead maneuver. Passing blame off is what gets him in the condition he puts himself in. Note Lorenzo's crash on the warm-up lap in the rain this year was a bigger bonehead move by far. He just got luck and was able to race still. Guess he was just searching for the limit.
If you havent seen it here it is.
casey's ooops
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 17 2009, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are right. Except if he ran his warm up laps like everyone else I don't think it would be an issue (his tires would have been warmer by then). So that is the only point I would truely fault him on. But yes I agree with the "perfect storm" theory that the cold tires, weather, and wind played a factor. But you can't take the blame totally off of him for it either he shold have been aware of those factors. Thats part of his bloody job if you ask me. I wonder if this will change the way he does warm up laps in the future? I have stated before I find what he does on his wul as desrespect to the rest of the grid. And sometimes karma bites you in the ....
Thats why I called it a mental slip/bonehead maneuver. Passing blame off is what gets him in the condition he puts himself in. Note Lorenzo's crash on the warm-up lap in the rain this year was a bigger bonehead move by far. He just got luck and was able to race still. Guess he was just searching for the limit.
If you havent seen it here it is.
casey's ooops
You need to remember... he's been using that strategy - SUCCESSFULLY -
as a precursor to top-of-the-podium wins for some time now. Taking a freak spill
the one time doesn't seem like much of a reason to abandon a technique that's
worked so well - so many times; baby out with the bathwater and all that...
I absolutely cannot fathom how you have determined that this
technique is somehow disrespectful to the other riders. Explain please!
This should be good. I'm always entertained by tortured chains of logic and
olympic quality conclusion jumping. Light the torch; let the games begin!
Thats why I called it a mental slip/bonehead maneuver. Passing blame off is what gets him in the condition he puts himself in. Note Lorenzo's crash on the warm-up lap in the rain this year was a bigger bonehead move by far. He just got luck and was able to race still. Guess he was just searching for the limit.
If you havent seen it here it is.
casey's ooops
You need to remember... he's been using that strategy - SUCCESSFULLY -
as a precursor to top-of-the-podium wins for some time now. Taking a freak spill
the one time doesn't seem like much of a reason to abandon a technique that's
worked so well - so many times; baby out with the bathwater and all that...
I absolutely cannot fathom how you have determined that this
technique is somehow disrespectful to the other riders. Explain please!
This should be good. I'm always entertained by tortured chains of logic and
olympic quality conclusion jumping. Light the torch; let the games begin!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 17 2009, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You need to remember... he's been using that strategy - SUCCESSFULLY -
as a precursor to top-of-the-podium wins for some time now. Taking a freak spill
the one time doesn't seem like much of a reason to abandon a technique that's
worked so well - so many times; baby out with the bathwater and all that...
I absolutely cannot fathom how you have determined that this
technique is somehow disrespectful to the other riders. Explain please!
This should be good. I'm always entertained by tortured chains of logic and
olympic quality conclusion jumping. Light the torch; let the games begin!
Do you really think his goofy warm up lap technique has any effect on his results? Except this once? And that wasnt a posative one mind you. I seriously could see him scrapping this technique or being told to by ducati. And honestly I don't think it would really bother him to not do this anymore. Do any of his fans want to see him stop doing this?
Heres why I find it disrespectful. Because who wouldn't want to be the last one to warm up there tires? And what gives him the right to do every time? Not only that but he gets to do it without the care of the other riders on the track because they are all visibly in front of him. If everyone spaced out enough to get the kind of free lap Casey gets the warm up lap would take like five minutes. If he did it once in a while no big deal but every damn race. It's not like he is sticking his pointer & and middle fingers around his mouth and sticking his tongue out at their wives or anything, but slightly douchey. I think it would be funny if someone ...... with him and tried to get behind him. I could see it now he would probably pull in his pit at the end of the lap to have a cry. Come on CE, he would do it. He is twisted like I am.
How about a small wager? If he doesn't quit doing it I'll wear a I love New York and Keshav t-shirt fpr my avatar. And if he does quit I'll send you a nice UofM Go Blue t-shirt and you atleast have to put the shirt in your avatar. Are you willing?
as a precursor to top-of-the-podium wins for some time now. Taking a freak spill
the one time doesn't seem like much of a reason to abandon a technique that's
worked so well - so many times; baby out with the bathwater and all that...
I absolutely cannot fathom how you have determined that this
technique is somehow disrespectful to the other riders. Explain please!
This should be good. I'm always entertained by tortured chains of logic and
olympic quality conclusion jumping. Light the torch; let the games begin!
Do you really think his goofy warm up lap technique has any effect on his results? Except this once? And that wasnt a posative one mind you. I seriously could see him scrapping this technique or being told to by ducati. And honestly I don't think it would really bother him to not do this anymore. Do any of his fans want to see him stop doing this?
Heres why I find it disrespectful. Because who wouldn't want to be the last one to warm up there tires? And what gives him the right to do every time? Not only that but he gets to do it without the care of the other riders on the track because they are all visibly in front of him. If everyone spaced out enough to get the kind of free lap Casey gets the warm up lap would take like five minutes. If he did it once in a while no big deal but every damn race. It's not like he is sticking his pointer & and middle fingers around his mouth and sticking his tongue out at their wives or anything, but slightly douchey. I think it would be funny if someone ...... with him and tried to get behind him. I could see it now he would probably pull in his pit at the end of the lap to have a cry. Come on CE, he would do it. He is twisted like I am.
How about a small wager? If he doesn't quit doing it I'll wear a I love New York and Keshav t-shirt fpr my avatar. And if he does quit I'll send you a nice UofM Go Blue t-shirt and you atleast have to put the shirt in your avatar. Are you willing?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Dec 17 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats why I called it a mental slip/bonehead maneuver. Passing blame off is what gets him in the condition he puts himself in.
I don't see the connection between these 2 sentences. He himself admitted it was an error and both he and ducati said he would be re-examining his warm-up lap strategy, and I am entirely unaware of evidence that he blamed anyone else for this incident.
There is no doubt he is somewhat highly strung, but he managed to show absolutely no suceptibility to pressure for a whole season in 2007, and if anything has ground him down subsequently it is the completely negative reaction by some to anything he says or does including winning races. It is interesting that you see significance to him making an error but see no significance in his good performances in the previous 3 races; if those races were meaningless then so was the jerez race
.
I don't see the connection between these 2 sentences. He himself admitted it was an error and both he and ducati said he would be re-examining his warm-up lap strategy, and I am entirely unaware of evidence that he blamed anyone else for this incident.
There is no doubt he is somewhat highly strung, but he managed to show absolutely no suceptibility to pressure for a whole season in 2007, and if anything has ground him down subsequently it is the completely negative reaction by some to anything he says or does including winning races. It is interesting that you see significance to him making an error but see no significance in his good performances in the previous 3 races; if those races were meaningless then so was the jerez race
This thread only continues to prove to me that Stoner Boppers are in existence with serious numbers, yet they seem to get away with it without the crap which is inflicted on people who support other riders, namely VR.
Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.
Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!
Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.
Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Dec 18 2009, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread only continues to prove to me that Stoner Boppers are in existence with serious numbers, yet they seem to get away with it without the crap which is inflicted on people who support other riders, namely VR.
Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.
Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!
thats a nice looking persecution complex you got there talpa!
harden up and stop whining, you starting to sound like CS now..
Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.
Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!
thats a nice looking persecution complex you got there talpa!
harden up and stop whining, you starting to sound like CS now..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Dec 18 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This thread only continues to prove to me that Stoner Boppers are in existence with serious numbers, yet they seem to get away with it without the crap which is inflicted on people who support other riders, namely VR.
Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.
Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!
Please quote any criticism of valentino, unjustifiable or not, by stoner fans and/or boppers in this thread.
Perhaps I dwell in an intellectual realm lesser than that inhabited by you, but I had not detected any input into this thread by jumkie prior to your post, on the obviously spurious grounds that he has not as yet posted in it.
Very interesting, had this thread been a similar attack on VR, and some of us came to his defense, as CS boppers are doing here virulently, then the long knives would be out all night.
Must be a psycho case study we could do here, Jum-you first!!!!
Please quote any criticism of valentino, unjustifiable or not, by stoner fans and/or boppers in this thread.
Perhaps I dwell in an intellectual realm lesser than that inhabited by you, but I had not detected any input into this thread by jumkie prior to your post, on the obviously spurious grounds that he has not as yet posted in it.
I think next year if we are getting bigger machines - and I don't really understand the implications (but please look at the 'motogp is not worldsuperbikes thread' to expalin - free naked picture if you do
)
Rossi will take awhile to adjust and by the middle of the season will be back on top form if not in the top three.
Stoner I agree will have that problem of been too far forward and if he has any brains will realise this pre season and rectify the bike settings to compensate unlike last time when he left it till mid season.
Edwards will be up front based on his World superbikes rides all be it some years ago now. I reckon if his tech team get it right he'll fall right back onto the riding style a bigger bike needs.
I also reckon Hayden will do well based on his size and riding style.
Jorge and Pedrosa if they have some pretty good practice time pre season and get the bikes and mental capacity adjusted should do avereage for 1st few races and may start to slip back down the grid as the more experienced of riders who have had a wsb back ground start to swallow them up. However it could be the other way with these two mid grid starts at the beginning of the season with the wsb experianced boys up front for the firts half of the season. And then the tail end i reckon these two will be back where they generally are and i don't mean on the tarmac
But of course this all depends on fantastic communication between the rider and the tech team not just the computer data coming out of the bike. The rider needs to feel the ride and feel comfortable, if at any point he thinks something is not right but the readings say its ok then things could go .... up. Also I think the riders should do what Edwards did and learn to ride differently and adapt to a whole new riding style.
But hey what do i know i don't even own a bike
Rossi will take awhile to adjust and by the middle of the season will be back on top form if not in the top three.
Stoner I agree will have that problem of been too far forward and if he has any brains will realise this pre season and rectify the bike settings to compensate unlike last time when he left it till mid season.
Edwards will be up front based on his World superbikes rides all be it some years ago now. I reckon if his tech team get it right he'll fall right back onto the riding style a bigger bike needs.
I also reckon Hayden will do well based on his size and riding style.
Jorge and Pedrosa if they have some pretty good practice time pre season and get the bikes and mental capacity adjusted should do avereage for 1st few races and may start to slip back down the grid as the more experienced of riders who have had a wsb back ground start to swallow them up. However it could be the other way with these two mid grid starts at the beginning of the season with the wsb experianced boys up front for the firts half of the season. And then the tail end i reckon these two will be back where they generally are and i don't mean on the tarmac
But of course this all depends on fantastic communication between the rider and the tech team not just the computer data coming out of the bike. The rider needs to feel the ride and feel comfortable, if at any point he thinks something is not right but the readings say its ok then things could go .... up. Also I think the riders should do what Edwards did and learn to ride differently and adapt to a whole new riding style.
But hey what do i know i don't even own a bike
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Dec 17 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see the connection between these 2 sentences. He himself admitted it was an error and both he and ducati said he would be re-examining his warm-up lap strategy, and I am entirely unaware of evidence that he blamed anyone else for this incident.
There is no doubt he is somewhat highly strung, but he managed to show absolutely no suceptibility to pressure for a whole season in 2007, and if anything has ground him down subsequently it is the completely negative reaction by some to anything he says or does including winning races. It is interesting that you see significance to him making an error but see no significance in his good performances in the previous 3 races; if those races were meaningless then so was the jerez race
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You caught me out in that one , sort of. If you read the first post I used bonehead it was me saying it was Stoners fault(go back to when I rebutted Roo). I wasn't trying to say he was passing blame off, Keshav did saying it was caused by the perfect storm. I agreed bit still said cs is to blame. There was no hidden agenda in me saying bonehead and mental error, just trying to say he screwed up. Make sure you read this from the beginning of the argument. But I didn't not hear the thing about them re-examining his warm-up strategy, kinda plays right onto what I was saying.
I am sorry to bring up the error from Valencia, but I have given Stoner credit for his come back, and I dont feel this incident discredits his come back at all. I gave him props before and for the record I will give them to him again. But I don't think that would make for a god conversation starter.
There is no doubt he is somewhat highly strung, but he managed to show absolutely no suceptibility to pressure for a whole season in 2007, and if anything has ground him down subsequently it is the completely negative reaction by some to anything he says or does including winning races. It is interesting that you see significance to him making an error but see no significance in his good performances in the previous 3 races; if those races were meaningless then so was the jerez race
You caught me out in that one , sort of. If you read the first post I used bonehead it was me saying it was Stoners fault(go back to when I rebutted Roo). I wasn't trying to say he was passing blame off, Keshav did saying it was caused by the perfect storm. I agreed bit still said cs is to blame. There was no hidden agenda in me saying bonehead and mental error, just trying to say he screwed up. Make sure you read this from the beginning of the argument. But I didn't not hear the thing about them re-examining his warm-up strategy, kinda plays right onto what I was saying.
I am sorry to bring up the error from Valencia, but I have given Stoner credit for his come back, and I dont feel this incident discredits his come back at all. I gave him props before and for the record I will give them to him again. But I don't think that would make for a god conversation starter.
