i predicted when 1000cc motogp and 70% less electronic that will be ending of casey ducati. and maybe will be ben spies vs valentino rossi
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 13 2009, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i predicted when 1000cc motogp and 70% less electronic that will be ending of casey ducati. and maybe will be ben spies vs valentino rossi
Another one of these threads... Stoner was plenty fast on the 990cc Honda and Ducati and Yamaha are both on Magnetti Marelli electronics. Not to say that they're the same, but both Stoner and Rossi have the best systems on the grid. I don't see it as the end for him, he has too much talent.
Another one of these threads... Stoner was plenty fast on the 990cc Honda and Ducati and Yamaha are both on Magnetti Marelli electronics. Not to say that they're the same, but both Stoner and Rossi have the best systems on the grid. I don't see it as the end for him, he has too much talent.
I would agree that the formula would seem likely to suit spies, and that like virtually any formula will suit rossi if he is still racing in 2012, but I don't see problems for stoner with it either.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Dec 13 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would agree that the formula would seem likely to suit spies, and that like virtually any formula will suit rossi if he is still racing in 2012, but I don't see problems for stoner with it either.
There is another American that slides 1000cc better than Ben! Nope, it' not his team mate. Nicky will gain the most of all with the 1000cc return.
I dont see this being a problem for Casey. He does not use as much electronic as people believe. There was an article out a few months ago on Casey & the bike. Where that and other information was revealed.
Why the hell 2012???? Why not 2011????
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There is another American that slides 1000cc better than Ben! Nope, it' not his team mate. Nicky will gain the most of all with the 1000cc return.
I dont see this being a problem for Casey. He does not use as much electronic as people believe. There was an article out a few months ago on Casey & the bike. Where that and other information was revealed.
Why the hell 2012???? Why not 2011????
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Dec 13 2009, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would agree that the formula would seem likely to suit spies, and that like virtually any formula will suit rossi if he is still racing in 2012, but I don't see problems for stoner with it either.
MotoGP is going to be World Super Superbikes, so I'd imagine Spies will do pretty well as long as he stays healthy and fights the effects of age.
Cygnus, I respect your opinion, but people have been betting against Casey forever, and it just keeps getting worse and worse for them.
I was one of the people who was skeptical about his abilities, but I have since realized that I am witnessing one of the most prolific talents in the history of the sport.
Casey Stoner will likely be in the top 5 for all time wins (he needs 11 more), and at his current pace (5 wins per season), Stoner will accumulate 50 wins by the time he is 30 years old. It's an even more amazing feat considering he is competing in the Rossi-era. Stoner is the only rider to score more wins than Rossi in a single season since Rossi took his first title in 2001.
Even if the 1000s don't suit him, Ducati look like they are out for blood and we have two more seasons of 800cc machines. By the time Stoner is "finished", he might be one of the greatest riders in the history of the sport.
MotoGP is going to be World Super Superbikes, so I'd imagine Spies will do pretty well as long as he stays healthy and fights the effects of age.
Cygnus, I respect your opinion, but people have been betting against Casey forever, and it just keeps getting worse and worse for them.
Casey Stoner will likely be in the top 5 for all time wins (he needs 11 more), and at his current pace (5 wins per season), Stoner will accumulate 50 wins by the time he is 30 years old. It's an even more amazing feat considering he is competing in the Rossi-era. Stoner is the only rider to score more wins than Rossi in a single season since Rossi took his first title in 2001.
Even if the 1000s don't suit him, Ducati look like they are out for blood and we have two more seasons of 800cc machines. By the time Stoner is "finished", he might be one of the greatest riders in the history of the sport.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i predicted when 1000cc motogp and 70% less electronic that will be ending of casey ducati. and maybe will be ben spies vs valentino rossi
What a wacko prediction.
WHy would you think Stoner who has the least electronic control, would be worried by less electronics
Stoner seems the only guy out there to be able to slide an 800, why do you thnk that is?
And then you go on to say Rossi will still be up there when he has had the most sophisticated electronics before anybody else. In early 2009 Yamaha did an electronics update and suddenly Rossi was back in it, surely that tells you something
What a wacko prediction.
WHy would you think Stoner who has the least electronic control, would be worried by less electronics
And then you go on to say Rossi will still be up there when he has had the most sophisticated electronics before anybody else. In early 2009 Yamaha did an electronics update and suddenly Rossi was back in it, surely that tells you something
i though it will be like 990cc era and casey look .... on 990 era so ducati in 990cc.
like everybody says 1000cc will be like superbike that ben already familiar so it will be great if ben vs valentino
like everybody says 1000cc will be like superbike that ben already familiar so it will be great if ben vs valentino
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 14 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i though it will be like 990cc era and casey look .... on 990 era so ducati in 990cc.
like everybody says 1000cc will be like superbike that ben already familiar so it will be great if ben vs valentino
You 'look ....' making stupid remarks like that !!!!!
Ben Spies is very good, no question, but he has never riden against competitors like Lorenzo, Rossi, Pedro, and Stoner.
These guys will be fast no matter what the formula is.
Even guys like Hayden and Edwards, are tougher than most WSBK riders.
like everybody says 1000cc will be like superbike that ben already familiar so it will be great if ben vs valentino
You 'look ....' making stupid remarks like that !!!!!
Ben Spies is very good, no question, but he has never riden against competitors like Lorenzo, Rossi, Pedro, and Stoner.
These guys will be fast no matter what the formula is.
Even guys like Hayden and Edwards, are tougher than most WSBK riders.
Impossible to say, his record on the 990 is bad but on a different bike and tyres, I think for cs it will be more how well ducati build the new bike, And this of course goes for everyone
You can bet that vr, spies, Colin and Hayden will be very strong though
You can bet that vr, spies, Colin and Hayden will be very strong though
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i predicted when 1000cc motogp and 70% less electronic that will be ending of casey ducati. and maybe will be ben spies vs valentino rossi
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Not the best photo BUT this is a Casey slide from PI this year. He did them everywhere. The fast guys don't use a lot of TC, Casey doesn't and he has said in various interviews + various other articles and so on. He is the slidingest (poetic licence) guy in motogp at present and it has been acknowledged by (of all people) VR's father who said in a brief snippet of an interview in Aus MC News that the other riders need to learn to slide like Casey...
It is a dead horse you are flogging.
Casey will be up the front on any factory bike (that isn't a Suzuki or Kawasaki).
The 1000cc bikes will bring guys like Spies, Hayden, Melandri, Caparossi, Edwards back to the head of the field from time to time but I cannot see anything that will bring the 4 aliens down.
Funnily enough in Aus MC News this week Ben Spies talks about the "Aliens" and says..."nobody realises how fast they actually are...at this stage I'm only worrying about 5th place".
His record on the 990 was good for the first few races and Casey in interviews has spoken quite darkly of what happened with Michelin and the tyre allocation. He was never supposed to be that close to the front and he pushed too hard to stay there on inferior machinery with grossly inferior tyres.
When he finished races he averaged about 5th spot (something Edwards and Dovi now battle proudly for – one of those on a full factory bike).
To be honest a lot of guys would settle for 8th place in championship rookie year on a .... bike and all...
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Not the best photo BUT this is a Casey slide from PI this year. He did them everywhere. The fast guys don't use a lot of TC, Casey doesn't and he has said in various interviews + various other articles and so on. He is the slidingest (poetic licence) guy in motogp at present and it has been acknowledged by (of all people) VR's father who said in a brief snippet of an interview in Aus MC News that the other riders need to learn to slide like Casey...
It is a dead horse you are flogging.
Casey will be up the front on any factory bike (that isn't a Suzuki or Kawasaki).
The 1000cc bikes will bring guys like Spies, Hayden, Melandri, Caparossi, Edwards back to the head of the field from time to time but I cannot see anything that will bring the 4 aliens down.
Funnily enough in Aus MC News this week Ben Spies talks about the "Aliens" and says..."nobody realises how fast they actually are...at this stage I'm only worrying about 5th place".
His record on the 990 was good for the first few races and Casey in interviews has spoken quite darkly of what happened with Michelin and the tyre allocation. He was never supposed to be that close to the front and he pushed too hard to stay there on inferior machinery with grossly inferior tyres.
When he finished races he averaged about 5th spot (something Edwards and Dovi now battle proudly for – one of those on a full factory bike).
To be honest a lot of guys would settle for 8th place in championship rookie year on a .... bike and all...
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I think there is no doubt that CS will be fast on 1000cc bike as well as he was back in 2006 on 990cc but the only problem i can see that he might crash more with his riding style where he rides at 110% all the time and with less help from electronics could be a problem but its hard to say anything at this point, i am sure time will tell.
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...., not even I am buying this one. As usual Casey's problems won't be related to his bike riding ability. Do they have any kind of electronics for mental frailty?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 14 2009, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i though it will be like 990cc era and casey look .... on 990 era so ducati in 990cc.
like everybody says 1000cc will be like superbike that ben already familiar so it will be great if ben vs valentino
Roo pretty much summed it up. Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to do when you're dead last on Michelin's priority list.
The Ducati 990cc was a great bike, look what it did for Capirossi. He was a title contender in 2006 and the only reason it never made more of a splash was because they never had the combination of a rider on peak form and tires. They had a great run in 2003, fell down the Michelin pecking order in 2004, jumped to the still underdeveloped Bridgestones in 2005 and then there was 2006.
What would have been really telling is if Ducati gave Bayliss the crew he wanted or signed a rider in their prime rather than Checa and Gibernau.
like everybody says 1000cc will be like superbike that ben already familiar so it will be great if ben vs valentino
Roo pretty much summed it up. Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front. I'd imagine it's pretty easy to do when you're dead last on Michelin's priority list.
The Ducati 990cc was a great bike, look what it did for Capirossi. He was a title contender in 2006 and the only reason it never made more of a splash was because they never had the combination of a rider on peak form and tires. They had a great run in 2003, fell down the Michelin pecking order in 2004, jumped to the still underdeveloped Bridgestones in 2005 and then there was 2006.
What would have been really telling is if Ducati gave Bayliss the crew he wanted or signed a rider in their prime rather than Checa and Gibernau.
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LOL I can't believe that still there is this talk of Stoner NOT being able or decent. I mean look what happend after he made his comeback, minus Valencia but come on. He is good, really good. Most of you wish you could ride a bike half as good as Stoner. No matter what machine he is on with decent tires he will be just fine.
"Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front."
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 14 2009, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front."
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
Interesting that you think Rossi's closest rivals won't be good on 1000s. Coincidence?
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
Interesting that you think Rossi's closest rivals won't be good on 1000s. Coincidence?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 15 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front."
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
Do you even watch the sport? Have you ever ridden a motorbike? Make sure you are awake next time you post because surely you are dreaming.
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
Do you even watch the sport? Have you ever ridden a motorbike? Make sure you are awake next time you post because surely you are dreaming.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Dec 15 2009, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Stoner was very quick on the 990, he just crashed a lot. A lot of the crashes were because he was overriding the front."
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
I think that when Casey came out of the blocks on the 990 LCR Honda a lot of people .... themselves. Especially Honda executives.
Pole in the second race and a near win in his third race soon had some eyes open. But he kept trying to ride at the front on .... tyres (and the tyres got worse for him) and yes he crashed.
There is no doubt it was a .... bike on .... tyres, RDP was the crasher in 2008 (5 crashes) on the LCR bike (any coincidence?) and in 2009 on Bridgestone tyres ??? Only two crashes.
Casey has still only had one factory bike and he got a world championship, a second place (highest ever 2nd place with 6 wins and all of that) and a 4th in an illness year with 4 wins... Ducati found it was easier to teach a fast crasher not to crash (and stay fast) rather than it is to teach a slow non crasher how to go fast (This is also Horhey’s story - a fast crasher).
You don’t really have a shred of evidence to say that Casey or Lorenzo for that matter will disappear from the front on a 1000cc bike, just an opinion and that seems to be fanciful reasoning and wishful thinking.
i'll say that casey, lorenzo will not good on 1000cc and i see he rider like nicky, melandri, simmoncelli, edwards will be in the front guy again
coz what i see casey just like to ride alone in the front so when other rider approach him,
BOOM he slow
and we all hope 1000cc will be alot of rider in the front
I think that when Casey came out of the blocks on the 990 LCR Honda a lot of people .... themselves. Especially Honda executives.
Pole in the second race and a near win in his third race soon had some eyes open. But he kept trying to ride at the front on .... tyres (and the tyres got worse for him) and yes he crashed.
There is no doubt it was a .... bike on .... tyres, RDP was the crasher in 2008 (5 crashes) on the LCR bike (any coincidence?) and in 2009 on Bridgestone tyres ??? Only two crashes.
Casey has still only had one factory bike and he got a world championship, a second place (highest ever 2nd place with 6 wins and all of that) and a 4th in an illness year with 4 wins... Ducati found it was easier to teach a fast crasher not to crash (and stay fast) rather than it is to teach a slow non crasher how to go fast (This is also Horhey’s story - a fast crasher).
You don’t really have a shred of evidence to say that Casey or Lorenzo for that matter will disappear from the front on a 1000cc bike, just an opinion and that seems to be fanciful reasoning and wishful thinking.
It seemed like the bike couldn't handle Stoner not the other way around. I echo the sentiment that Stoner will be fine. Hell, he'll be unstoppable. First guy to break 375...
