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moto2 2012

baturro said:
Be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't think Marquez was a fool at the Sepang practice last year. Don't understand your angst there Mick. It's a pretty clear cut Marquez your an overly exiced ..... move. He was in the midst of en epic comeback to almost take the Moto 2 championship, not an excuse but I'm sure it was a pretty big distraction, especially as in his first year in Moto 2 he didn't expect to be in that position.



Back to the present.



Marquez seems to be doing much better in the practice sessions now that he's had time to have a little bit of preseason. Should be hard to beat tomorrow.
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I'm sorry but it was me whom directed the question to you.

Now given your reply to my question about Sepang!

Do you still say Marquez is not dangerous?

Or do I have to continue?
 
LRRP, a bonehead move does not make a rider dangerous. Every rider has had his share of "dangerous" moves. Do you consider Rossi dangerous? I'm sure Gibernau did after Jerez, and Melandri after Rossi stuck his rear set into his leg after a race in Motegi. Simoncelli? I don't think I have to give examples of his "dangerous" moves. And just so you don't label me as Spanishcentric, Pedrosa. He was pretty dangerous to Hayden in Estoril, and to himself at Sachesenring in the rain. Ianone in Moto 2 has had his questionable moves.



NO, I don't consider Marquez dangerous, so back at you with a question. Do you consider every rider that has made a dangerous mistake, dangerous?? So, yes please continue...



And just to clarify for you, the answer was to your question. If you like I'll put LRRP at the beginning of the post if you felt left out. But I was perplexed by Micks anxiousness to see my response.
 
On Tele 5, the channel broadcasting in Spain, just had an in-depth look at the Marquez/Luthi incident. They had images of the same first corner of Qatar with Luthi and other riders during the race. These images showed that the inside rider opening to the outside before dropping to the corner.



Then they made reference to last years race, in which there is almost an identical incident involving Ianone and Luthi. Luthi again is on the outside and Ianone taking the place of Marquez. Difference is, that between the 2 there is contact. Luthi gets pushed wide and Ianone passes him. I suggest to LRRP, Mick D and others so offended by Marquez's pass at Qatar to watch it and reflect.



Seems to me Luthi isn't the fastest of learners. Same move on him 2 years in a row with the same outcome.
 
I agree that A bone head move does not make a dangerous rider.

I also accept that sometimes mistakes are made and incedents occur after all the guys out there are only human and no one is perfect.

Some of the above races you mention, I was not watching back then so cannot comment.

How ever last season there were too many incedents involving Marquez for my liking at the start of the season but then he calmed down and had a good middle season and even got me onside a little. His come back to try take the title from Bradl was awesome. So I put the start down to over zealous youth and exuberance.

But then came Sepang.

Sorry mate it looks like we just gonna have to agree to dissagree on this one IMO he is dangerous and I cringe every pass he makes these days cos you never know what to expect from him.
 
Great race! Shame the rain came in and spoiled what could have been a sweet and exciting finish.



Any dangerous passing?? I saw a bunch by many riders that looked nearly identical to the Qatar one, but not dangerous.
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lil red rocket pilot said:
Slightly off subject but what is your opinion on Marquez taking the flag at Sepang and continuing on a flying lap straight up the back end of Willarot?

Resulting in more injury in the long run to Marquez but put Ratthapark in hospital.
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What it is this incident with Willarot at Sepang? It's not this incedent at Phillip Island that is being refered to?:[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJwPu_vycqg[/media]
 
Right Titan. that is Marquez´s .... up in reference.



At Sepang there was another mess up. That time it was the corner workers or race direction not signaling wet section of the track. Marquez lost grip and crashed. His injuries prevented him from competing in that race and the folloing one in Valencia
 
Marc's move on Luthi was harsh. Lucky for Luthi's evasive action, there was no contact. Race Direction FAIL (again).



There is no doubt that Marc is a super talented young man, but he is also realizing and taking advantage of his darling status in the sport. His riding has been both amazing to witness and dangerous at times. He almost got ...... out of a career by a freak crash, it doesn't seem that he has learned from that and the incident with the Thai rider that this sport is very dangerous, it would seem to me. Oh, that he has mechanical advantage should not even be a debate, its pretty obvious.



Also, may I request, can you guys make threads for separate races please. Last year I basically stayed away from the lower class discussions because they turned into a mammoth size continuous thread.



Ok, regarding Jerez race. Congrats to Espargaro...





A few thoughts. I felt it was a good race unfortunately made short by rain. But this actually caused something to surface (again) which in my opinion, is the shameless promotion of Marc Marquez. Why? Because from where I was sitting, it sure seemed like somebody waited for Marc to cross the line to wave the flag THINKING it would seal a Marquez win, but in their haste to do so, forgot the rule of going back a lap. That is what it looked like to me. I realize the opposite can and will be argued.
 
Jumkie said:
Marc's move on Luthi was harsh. Lucky for Luthi's evasive action, there was no contact. Race Direction FAIL (again).



There is no doubt that Marc is a super talented young man, but he is also realizing and taking advantage of his darling status in the sport. His riding has been both amazing to witness and dangerous at times. He almost got ...... out of a career by a freak crash, it doesn't seem that he has learned from that and the incident with the Thai rider that this sport is very dangerous, it would seem to me. Oh, that he has mechanical advantage should not even be a debate, its pretty obvious.



Also, may I request, can you guys make threads for separate races please. Last year I basically stayed away from the lower class discussions because they turned into a mammoth size continuous thread.



Ok, regarding Jerez race. Congrats to Espargaro...





A few thoughts. I felt it was a good race unfortunately made short by rain. But this actually caused something to surface (again) which in my opinion, is the shameless promotion of Marc Marquez. Why? Because from where I was sitting, it sure seemed like somebody waited for Marc to cross the line to wave the flag THINKING it would seal a Marquez win, but in their haste to do so, forgot the rule of going back a lap. That is what it looked like to me. I realize the opposite can and will be argued.
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I agree with pretty much all you say barring two points



Your highlighted bit:

Why? its a season and so few post here why clog up the server with additional threads?

If your interested you will read. I do.
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Your last paragraph I don't disagree with but to be honest I had not thought of it.

Thanks for the food for thought!
 
Jumkie said:
Also, may I request, can you guys make threads for separate races please. Last year I basically stayed away from the lower class discussions because they turned into a mammoth size continuous thread.
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Ya know the if ya click on the little circle or star to the left of the thread's title it takes you straight to where you finished reading right? Star means you have previously participated in said thread!
 
Jumkie said:
Ok, regarding Jerez race. Congrats to Espargaro...





A few thoughts. I felt it was a good race unfortunately made short by rain. But this actually caused something to surface (again) which in my opinion, is the shameless promotion of Marc Marquez. Why? Because from where I was sitting, it sure seemed like somebody waited for Marc to cross the line to wave the flag THINKING it would seal a Marquez win, but in their haste to do so, forgot the rule of going back a lap. That is what it looked like to me. I realize the opposite can and will be argued.
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I'm not sure I agree entirely with your claim that the stopping of the race coinciding with Marquez taking the lead was favoritism: for the race to be red flagged and considered a complete race a certain portion of the laps must be completed (I think 3/4 but not sure the technical amount) so they were waiting for the correct number of laps to be completed to avoid a restart (as already half the race had been completed and rain was not so heavy as to cause undue danger to the riders).



Full credit to Pol Espargaro though - great to see him score his first Moto2 race win (definitely the better Espargaro in my opinion - I mean, how DID Aleix get into the MotoGP?!).
 

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