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Bitchfest between Biagtossi and Lawrenco, makes a bit of a farce of this:

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/audio/1840-qse-me-lo-chiedono-aiuto-lorenzoq.html

I guess nobody asked Tossi
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Dovi and Casey in a class of their own today, I expected a fall from either but they both nailed it.



Oh and for those that think the Mundialato is over ..... get real Spies could easily still take it!
 
That was INCREDIBLE!! I was on the edge of my seat for those last few laps, its great to see some hard racing again. I was over the moon that Lorenzo gave it a shot at all given his circumstances, he rode pretty hard but Rossi was always going to risk more so i'm happy Lorenzo knew when enough was enough. It's good that in Dani's absesne Rossi has found some form again, be it improving help or new engine or whatever. Also great to see Casey back on form, he rode perfectly today



Can't wait for next week
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Mick D said:
Yes engineer Tom - but there are variables, racing is not a laboratory experiment. Different equipment, different techs/mechanics, different manufacturers, different rules that favour one riding style over another all add up to make the choice of "who is and/or was the best" a subjective and not objective choice.
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Like i already said, there are other variables but you can either pull appart and devalue the result of every race or accept that they exist but overall the results work out. It is foolish to pick and chose when these variables apply. At the end of the day though these variables are all part of the sport and always have been, they are things that the riders need to attempt to understand, predict, control and generally deal with in order to be the best at what they do
 
J4rn0 said:
Lorenzo has not yet been capable to do the same, against Rossi. So the pressure is all on him, moreover now as a world champion who claims to be the new #1, etc.
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I don't think many riders have ever beaten Rossi in a scenario like that. He is the best racer in terms of passing and defending ever. But i think thre pressure which you claim to all be on Lorenzo is actually hugely reduced from last year because Lorenzo has been faster than Rossi more often than not (all but 2 races) this season so it is less of a problem that Rossi is still superior in this aspect of his riding. Lets just hope their bikes are as close to equally good next year as possible because that will be exciting
 
When did bike racing only begin to mean championship points alone as the season nears the end?! Jorge has almost won the championship, with races to spare and can allow for a few hard ones. Very unsporting of Lin Jarvis to say the things he says here: http://gpone.com/index.php/en/slider/2037-la-yamaha-ha-ammonito-rossi.html. I have myself seen Lorenzo ride rough in many of his races (which is fine and just how things should be) and now cries like a baby to Yamaha about Rossi's moves. We can clearly see how Yamaha changes its colours here and is almost setting a new image for itself with Jorge. Just how much more hypocritical can Lorenzo get! Rossi may ride rough at times, but there is an undeniable ... appeal to that, which the audience will die for! Had we no such paint swapping, which of course should only be attempted by experienced professionals, the sport will sure lose its charm. Such races sure form the grey areas of the sport, but unconventional styles like as Rossi's only spice things up a bit and add the much needed entertainment and charm to the sport. There was nothing wrong about Rossi's move; we see fairings touch almost every other race amongst the tail enders and don't we enjoy that - just what one needs to note is that these moves be only attempted by professionals. Jorge and Yamaha are only growing backwards with their new attitude. In 2009, when Jorge was close to Rossi in the championship standings, Rossi did not moan and expected tough races towards the season's end.
 
Tom said:
Like i already said, there are other variables but you can either pull appart and devalue the result of every race or accept that they exist but overall the results work out. It is foolish to pick and chose when these variables apply. At the end of the day though these variables are all part of the sport and always have been, they are things that the riders need to attempt to understand, predict, control and generally deal with in order to be the best at what they do
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In any real sport the only way of telling who wins is who finishes first/jumps highest or longest/ scores the most goals etc. I appreciate the skill involved in gymnastics, diving, even synchronized awimming but do not consider them real sports. I agree with you and ernest hemingway that motor racing is a real sport.
 
Sarita said:
When did bike racing only begin to mean championship points alone as the season nears the end?! Jorge has almost won the championship, with races to spare and can allow for a few hard ones. Very unsporting of Lin Jarvis to say the things he says here: http://gpone.com/index.php/en/slider/2037-la-yamaha-ha-ammonito-rossi.html. I have myself seen Lorenzo ride rough in many of his races (which is fine and just how things should be) and now cries like a baby to Yamaha about Rossi's moves. We can clearly see how Yamaha changes its colours here and is almost setting a new image for itself with Jorge. Just how much more hypocritical can Lorenzo get! Rossi may ride rough at times, but there is an undeniable ... appeal to that, which the audience will die for! Had we no such paint swapping, which of course should only be attempted by experienced professionals, the sport will sure lose its charm. Such races sure form the grey areas of the sport, but unconventional styles like as Rossi's only spice things up a bit and add the much needed entertainment and charm to the sport. There was nothing wrong about Rossi's move; we see fairings touch almost every other race amongst the tail enders and don't we enjoy that - just what one needs to note is that these moves be only attempted by professionals. Jorge and Yamaha are only growing backwards with their new attitude. In 2009, when Jorge was close to Rossi in the championship standings, Rossi did not moan and expected tough races towards the season's end.
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A few things. Firstly i thnk the complaint was really in the level of risk Rossi was prepared to take when Lorenzo is closing in on the title. The only thing that can stop Lorenzo is injury, and Rossi taking him out would make that a much more real risk. We all saw 2006 so we know where they are coming from. But at the end of the day Rossi may not have been very sporting but he didn't actually do anything wrong, so if it had gone wrong Lorenzo would just be left wishing he'd stayed 4th. Which he eventually did so it doesn't actually matter. The other thing is, these are racers and egos. We've heard Rossi complain far louder for far less, it is standard and we should take it with a pinch of salt as always. Rossi will be loving it, he has still got a 'let me pass or we will crash' intimidation about him which sees him come out on top in on track scraps. I wonder if he's a Senna fan
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Rossi sometimes in critical moment makes “get me through or you crash” move to me. But, some call it racing craft. Anyway, nobody can call De Angeles dangerous rider anymore with new standard of aggressiveness set by Rossi today.
 
Tom said:
A few things. Firstly i thnk the complaint was really in the level of risk Rossi was prepared to take when Lorenzo is closing in on the title. The only thing that can stop Lorenzo is injury, and Rossi taking him out would make that a much more real risk. We all saw 2006 so we know where they are coming from. But at the end of the day Rossi may not have been very sporting but he didn't actually do anything wrong, so if it had gone wrong Lorenzo would just be left wishing he'd stayed 4th. Which he eventually did so it doesn't actually matter. The other thing is, these are racers and egos. We've heard Rossi complain far louder for far less, it is standard and we should take it with a pinch of salt as always. Rossi will be loving it, he has still got a 'let me pass or we will crash' intimidation about him which sees him come out on top in on track scraps. I wonder if he's a Senna fan
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I agree with your viewpoint here. The championship is nearing its end; but I would rather have expected Lorenzo to play safe had he so much wanted it safe; coming 4th would not have hurt him so bad, after having won almost every other race this year!



In 2006, Pedrosa was a rookie, a poor racer and not "professional enough" to pull a move like that on a more robust, experienced rider such as Nicky Hayden - it was totally uncalled for and immature of Pedrosa. Whereas today's battle (Vale/Jorge) was one between two equally powerful riders and can allow for a few rough moves.



And I am not upset with Lorenzo's remarks - he said Vale's moves were legal but just a little rough. However, Lin Jarvis' comments are thoroughly unsporting, and not befitting of a racing team manager. Lin Jarvis has adrenaline pumping only for Yamaha staying on top, but not at the granular level of racing at the track. A few years from now he is going to ditch Jorge for younger blood.
 
Well done Rossi, and let the moaners moan.

It was Lorenzo who was behind, and could easily have chosen to keep it "safe". But just as he had forced a pass on Rossi in the first lap, and kept him behind for six laps during which Rossi had to give up his hopes to fight for a win, he again chose to pass Rossi at the end. Why? Did he need those 3 extra points?!
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No -- but he just could not help his alpha male instinct. Too bad for him, the other alpha male proved stronger.
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By the way, I heard Lorenzo after the race complained with Jarvis and as a result Yamaha issued a statement in which Rossi was censured and strongly invited to "behave". Hope it's not true... Bah!
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J4rn0 said:
Well done Rossi, and let the moaners moan.

It was Lorenzo who was behind, and could easily have chosen to keep it "safe". But just as he had forced a pass on Rossi in the first lap, and kept him behind for six laps during which Rossi had to give up his hopes to fight for a win, he again chose to pass Rossi at the end. Why? Did he need those 3 extra points?!
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No -- but he just could not help his alpha male instinct. Too bad for him, the other alpha male proved stronger.
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By the way, I heard Lorenzo after the race complained with Jarvis and as a result Yamaha issued a statement in which Rossi was censured and strongly invited to "behave". Hope it's not true... Bah!
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passing is fine, that is not the issue,



the issue is the manner in which rossi re-overtook. horheys passes where fair and clean, but rossi re-take was just barging pushing horhey out. which isnt right.
 
SackWack said:
what happened with Nicky and Spies? I just saw them in the gravel together.



I'll have to watch the race again, but first time through...Rossi, that was nasty. Looked like he was going to take hohay out to be on the podium no matter what.
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Very much ... for tat. In that last lap Lorenzo just laid down on top of Rossi. Really looked like he lost his temper

and in doing so forgot that Rossi cannot be cowed. It was great ....; the kind of racing that make me feel extra

glad to be alive.



Too bad for Dovi - he wouldn't have won - but it was a drag to see him lose power in the last few laps when the Honda

was starting to run on fumes. For most of the race - I was hoping he'd make a last gasp try to get past Stoner on the brakes.



Haystack's luck - continues to suck.



Edwards signed a new contract (one year) and for once wasn't dragging his feet.



Lil' Alvaro was rockin' the Suzuki and I think, pushed Old Man Capirossi into making a mistake. I really think Bautista is underrated.



And Spies did a great job of working his way through the field from all the way back.



This is a race worth re-watching.
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J4rn0 said:
Well done Rossi, and let the moaners moan.

It was Lorenzo who was behind, and could easily have chosen to keep it "safe". But just as he had forced a pass on Rossi in the first lap, and kept him behind for six laps during which Rossi had to give up his hopes to fight for a win, he again chose to pass Rossi at the end. Why? Did he need those 3 extra points?!
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No -- but he just could not help his alpha male instinct. Too bad for him, the other alpha male proved stronger.
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By the way, I heard Lorenzo after the race complained with Jarvis and as a result Yamaha issued a statement in which Rossi was censured and strongly invited to "behave". Hope it's not true... Bah!
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Well said!
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J4rn0 said:
Funny how bias creates a reality warp.

They both had the new engine, and if anything it is Lorenzo who had (and still has) a massive point to prove. It showed in the way he had to accept the fight with Rossi. If he wanted to play it safe, he could have stayed behind, just as Rossi did at P.I. last year.

But no, because Lorenzo had nothing to lose and a lot to prove against Rossi. This kind of battle is what people like Jarvis wanted to avoid at all costs in the Yamaha camp, until the title was secured at least...
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Have another look, maybe get what a "spanking" means a little better.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=SjRuY1k_Ih0



Cheers
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Actually, it was pointed out early on, that Lorenzo had tried the new engine and opted (in the race) to use

the one he'd had at Aragon - so he could have a fresh motor for the last few races. After today - I think it's

pretty clear that Rossi isn't going for any surgery till after the last race.



Also... reasonably clear that ....... Honda has been dialing down the HP on Dovi's bike to keep hopes of

a Spanish champion alive. What a bunch of pulsating .........
 
some fooks moaning WTF STFU with ya have you lot got a short memory

if the Goat has half a chance he takes it he dont ask for permission to come through

Aka last lap last corner Jerez 2005



Live with it simple not bad for a washed out finished over the hill old bloke.



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Jorge chomp on this keep your mouth filled
 
moto3 said:
Rossi sometimes in critical moment makes “get me through or you crash” move to me. But, some call it racing craft. Anyway, nobody can call De Angeles dangerous rider anymore with new standard of aggressiveness set by Rossi today.
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how many people did Rossi take out of the race today?? He took zero people out of the race which is 3 less than de Angelis did. Both were pushing the limits of the bikes, but Lorenzo chose to try and take 3rd spot. Why would Rossi be expected to let him pass.....I don't think Lorenzo would have rolled over (he did not last year).
 
Meh, who cares about a fight for third..........STONER SMOKED 'EM ALL!
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ok ok, was good viewing. I just wish the damn closing laps didn't overlap the start of the thugby league grand final.
 

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