I still think it's more reasonable to believe that HRC are attempting to save face by turning the wick up on Dovi's bike. The bike will be limited to 21L tomorrow. If Dovi wins, we can't start throwing conspiracy theories around.
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I still think it's more reasonable to believe that HRC are attempting to save face by turning the wick up on Dovi's bike. The bike will be limited to 21L tomorrow. If Dovi wins, we can't start throwing conspiracy theories around.
OR. If that happens just congratulate a good rider on job well done. Is it unthinkable to think that this track suits Dovi and the Honda, and that with Pedrosa falling Andrea has stepped up to lead the team
I agree with just about everything you said, but I don't think 'clearly' is the right word for the 2010 season. Sure it is a sport of attrition, and Rossi's injuries were brought upon by his own doing in training and the mugello crash, not unlike Lorenzo's self inflicted injuries his rookie year, but the MotoGP championship and racing in general is far from clear[/b in terms of who is better than who.
On the same vein of what others have written, talent alone can't bring you to the top, there is always that mystery of who might have a better bike/team/package/sponsors that conceals our ability to determine who is truly is best. I believe its that unpredictability that makes the sport exciting. The problem is when the "bike/team/package/sponsors" don't just make the outcome unpredictable or unexpected, but when it makes the racing unfair. Usually when things aren't fair someone is favored, and the sport becomes predictable, and there is no reason to watch.
So back on topic, the points system doesn't really show how Rossi and Lorenzo rack up as riders vs each other, and it never really has in any past season. What it does tell us is who had a better season, and who will be/is world champion. 99% that is Lorenzo. I am not saying he wasn't the more skilled rider this year, since there is good evidence that he was, but any conclusion on that needs an analysis a bit deeper than 'who pulled more points during the season'.
(although you could argue key exceptions of course being the past examples of dynastic dominance in agostini, doohan, 5-peat Rossi).
Good post, these circumstances have existed throughout the history of the sport. Mentioning things of this nature as if they have significantly more relevance to one riders achievements over another is delusional.
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Nobody wants to dismiss the fact that Lorenzo is deservedly the 2010 world champ. But saying that Rossi "is beaten", well... That battle is far from over (and it is going to make the next races, and the next season or two, much more interesting). If all you care for is who scored more points in a season, that's a perfectly legitimate point of view: but then I wonder why you watch races. You may just be as happy browsing the record book at the end of the year... Maybe ask yourself why Kevin Schwantz is considered a better rider than many who scored more wins and championships than him. If the only reality was the scoreboard, racing would be more like accounting and less like... racing.
Nobody wants to dismiss the fact that Lorenzo is deservedly the 2010 world champ. But saying that Rossi "is beaten", well... That battle is far from over (and it is going to make the next races, and the next season or two, much more interesting). If all you care for is who scored more points in a season, that's a perfectly legitimate point of view: but then I wonder why you watch races. You may just be as happy browsing the record book at the end of the year... Maybe ask yourself why Kevin Schwantz is considered a better rider than many who scored more wins and championships than him. If the only reality was the scoreboard, racing would be more like accounting and less like... racing.
When i say Rossi is beaten i mean this year, i am not making predictions about years to come. As for your Schwantz reference, i'd have to say that i would completely disagree that he was as good as the likes of Rainey and Lawson. He may be more popular, more entertaining and more spectacular but those other guys were better motorcycle racers. Sucess in motor bike racing is measured and can be quantified. Races are timed, points are counted and championships awarded, ultimately that is the aim. This is not a friend making chamionship or a freestyle moto X type sport where a winner is qualified by a judges decision of which rider is the coolest.
Nobody wants to dismiss the fact that Lorenzo is deservedly the 2010 world champ. But saying that Rossi "is beaten", well... That battle is far from over (and it is going to make the next races, and the next season or two, much more interesting). If all you care for is who scored more points in a season, that's a perfectly legitimate point of view: but then I wonder why you watch races. You may just be as happy browsing the record book at the end of the year... Maybe ask yourself why Kevin Schwantz is considered a better rider than many who scored more wins and championships than him. If the only reality was the scoreboard, racing would be more like accounting and less like... racing.
They have been waiting to revel in this since 2007, let them have their fun-even though it makes them look ridiculous, the man proved in QP he is consistently faster than all, despite injuries...........they had the new engine card on Friday, but doesn't explain yesterday.
The sad thing is IMO, its not in support of Jorge, just support of Rossi being beaten.............
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Yes engineer Tom - but there are variables, racing is not a laboratory experiment. Different equipment, different techs/mechanics, different manufacturers, different rules that favour one riding style over another all add up to make the choice of "who is and/or was the best" a subjective and not objective choice.
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Dovi still fast, leads warm up practice
1. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 47.775s
2. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 47.776s
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 48.007s
4. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 48.384s
5. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 48.440s
6. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 48.478s
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 48.792s
8. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.804s
9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.906s
10. Marco Melandri ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 49.009s
11. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 49.110s
12. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Interwetten Honda MotoGP 1m 49.156s
13. Hector Barbera ESP Paginas Amarillas Aspar 1m 49.229s
14. Aleix Espargaro ESP Pramac Racing 1m 49.317s
15. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 49.400s
16. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1m 49.628s
Looking at lap analysis, Lorenzo has the race pace
1. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1m 47.775s
2. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 47.776s
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 48.007s
4. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 48.384s
5. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1m 48.440s
6. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 48.478s
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1m 48.792s
8. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.804s
9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1m 48.906s
10. Marco Melandri ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1m 49.009s
11. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1m 49.110s
12. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Interwetten Honda MotoGP 1m 49.156s
13. Hector Barbera ESP Paginas Amarillas Aspar 1m 49.229s
14. Aleix Espargaro ESP Pramac Racing 1m 49.317s
15. Ben Spies USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 49.400s
16. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1m 49.628s
Looking at lap analysis, Lorenzo has the race pace
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Great to see Rossi battling!
Like him or not.....Stoner is a FREAK! Pure talent!
Like him or not.....Stoner is a FREAK! Pure talent!
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Good battle at the end. A bit rough, and I think Rossi was lucky not to knock Lorenzo off, but it was still exciting stuff. Stoner had the field covered. The top 4 were in a different class, like they had an extra 20hp or something.
Further evidence that casey tells the truth as he sees it, I thought he was no chance after fp1 and fp2; he said he found something in qp and he obviously did.
Great battle between jorge and valentino, instructive for anyone who thought valentino had lost his edge.
Great battle between jorge and valentino, instructive for anyone who thought valentino had lost his edge.
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Jumkies pissed boys and girls...............
He's calling it "dirty"..............let's hear it Jumks!
He's calling it "dirty"..............let's hear it Jumks!
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After missing the last 3 gp's, this gave me enough excitment and brought me back to what i thought i was missing.
nice result by Casey again, but i was looking to Rossi and Horhay the whole race.
Lorenzo is playing safe lately, but without any doubt he will be the winner of this year and he deserves it.
nice result by Casey again, but i was looking to Rossi and Horhay the whole race.
Lorenzo is playing safe lately, but without any doubt he will be the winner of this year and he deserves it.
what happened with Nicky and Spies? I just saw them in the gravel together.
I'll have to watch the race again, but first time through...Rossi, that was nasty. Looked like he was going to take hohay out to be on the podium no matter what.
I'll have to watch the race again, but first time through...Rossi, that was nasty. Looked like he was going to take hohay out to be on the podium no matter what.
