Motegi 2010 Moto GP...

Race for third eh, what's everyone talking about and what did the coverage focus on. Stoner had it won in the first two corners. The gap was unbeatable after the first two laps as is the case with ....... 800's.



Anyone bitching about this battle should .... off and watch lawn bowls. And I note the ones that are are rossi haters, if the tables were turned and it was Jorge who came up trumps well, we know exactly what they'd sprout......

povol said:

One crash and Lorenzo could be out for the season. If Rossi wants to try and prove something, taking his teammate out before the championship is decided is not the time, especially since he has been eliminated. This was about Rossi being butt hurt because Yamaha chose Lorenzo over him. He let HIS ego get in the way. As far as the shoulder, i believe Rossi said this track would be the one that caused him the most trouble. Rossi has played every angle imaginable with the shoulder to get Yamaha to let him test, after today, Yamaha should tell him to .... off.

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I had to think while watching those last few laps that Rossi wasn't just making a point with Lorenzo

but was in effect putting a pie in Yamaha's face. He's raced fiercely against Lorenzo in the past

but never that roughly before. I don't say it was bad or good - but it was not what one expects

between teammates; especially after Rossi saying he would help Lorenzo/Yamaha to win the

championship. Rossi never roughed up his teammate like that back when he still stood a chance

of winning the championship - for Yamaha.



A commentator mentioned today that Rossi said in effect, that Stoner wasn't really riding the Ducati

to it's full potential and he was looking forward to showing everyone what he could do on the same

bike next year, implying that in his hands the Duc would be more than level with the Yamaha..

I'd say this statement is an indication that his resentment against Yamaha et al

has not yet achieved critical mass - but he seems bitchier than ever these last few weeks. On

some level he's already psyching himself up for the challenge of being competitive next year on

the Duc - because his heart is not really in it, as yet.

J4rn0 said:

I just re-watched it, and it strikes me that what Gibernau, Stoner and now Lorenzo all complain about Rossi, is basically the same thing. In this case, it happened very clearly in the last pass: Rossi lunges inside, and it looks for a moment like Lorenzo ran wide (but actually it's Rossi who's entering really straight into the apex, something very difficult to do because you have to brake strongly while cutting the track diagonally, and one would normally crash trying to do that!). This is where the famous racecraft is, imo.



Seeing Rossi unexpectedly there, Lorenzo (like Stoner and Gibernau before) instinctively tries to close the line by leaning on him, but he's already too much inside so they just bump into him, and of course immediately bounce back (which to a superficial observer gives the impression they were pushed out); what Schwantz pointed out after Laguna, was that in such a situation the winning move would have been to allow Rossi to follow his line and pass: he then would inevitably exit wider, and they could take the apex and come out in front. But so far, none of them was cool enough to do that; they all leaned on Rossi trying to stop him, bumped (or almost bumped) on him, bounced back, and lost.



And they all complained afterwards.

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As I have said I have no problem with this duel, and as you and others say lorenzo is the one who is riding for the championship and needs not to crash; I don't think finishing 3rd rather than 4th would have given him the championship yesterday anyway. His motive I agree was ego, and rossi knowing this can hardly be expected to concede to him.



i do see some difference with the laguna seca and gibernau things in that in those incidents he ended up on the other side of the track and so was never going to make those corners on anything resembling a racing line. If you regard that as famous race-craft you are entitled to your opinion; he certainly displayed rather a large amount of skill in keeping the bike upright at laguna seca, and I don't disagree that gibernau and stoner in both instances failed to display race-craft by not letting him go on the line he had chosen which would have left both of them clearing off for the win. As you say both probably acted instinctively ; as rossi has demonstrated many times he is ice -cold in the heat of battle and has the ability to act in a non-instinctive manner.



Even if stoner had reason to be a little annoyed there was no point complaining about what was in the final analysis a racing incident particularly when rossi not going for the corner may have cost him the championship, and I had thought jorge had a cooler head than stoner . If he has involved jarvis and yamaha it comes across as pretty weak, and hands rossi an even bigger victory in mind-game terms.

I enjoyed the race for its result and the Rossi-Lorenzo scrap.



However, by any impartial observation, Rossis tactics against a teammate on the cusp of a world championship were highly irresponsible. Rossi has no chance to win the title and therefore his challenge to Jorge was unnecessary and dangerous. I agree with Povol. Rossis ego went beyond his responsibility to not hinder his progress towards a world title. Like it or not, Rossi is paid by Yamaha, and once his own title chances have gone, he has a responsibility not to be stupid around his teammate. Although none of Rossis moves appeared to be "illegal", the fact that many of his rivals over the years are saying the same thing, suggests that perhaps there is a problem. Many riders, whilst young and in the lower classes, exhibited reckless irresponsibility initially, but matured to remove the "desperate passes" from their repetoir. Somehow, because Rossi is the GOAT (I call him the Alpaca instead) , and is charismatic, somehow he gets a free pass with "on track manoeuvres".

Fortunately there was no incident similar to Pedrosas brain fade in late 2006, but it wasn,t for lack of trying.

Rossis last pass on Lorenzo was very clean, but I could see it coming, Rossi could see it coming, most of the crowd could see it coming and I,m sure Lorenzo could see it coming. But, Lorenzo had a big enough gap to be safe. What happened? I may be totally wrong, but to me it looked as if Lorenzo purposely went wide to give Rossi room , so that he wasn,t taken down. Look at it again............I think Jorge could sense that Rossi was desperate enough to go for that pass, and decided that he had to give him room. The Rossi aura? well maybe, but it wouldn,t exist if the media and fans didn,t give Rossi that "special exemption" with track etiquette.

Of course, all the usual boppers were ecstatic with the moves and the result, But as Povol said..................for 3rd! Jeez , get a life fellas! Imagine the outcry if the tables were turned.................Rossi closing in on a title, and his teammate pulls all these moves on him?! Sure, while you are still both in the title hunt, but NOT in this situation. Rossi (although the best rider ever) is a sour loser and has shown that he is a selfish egotistical prick.



There was an idiotic post earlier saying that Yamaha chose Lorenzo over Rossi.

Not so. Yamaha would be happy with both: It was Rossi that jumped ship because------------



1) Yamaha would not favour Rossi over Lorenzo

2) Yamaha would not pay Rossi more than Lorenzo

3) Stoner had vacated Ducati- so that Rossi would neither have a competitive teammate at Yamaha or Ducati. Looks like a coward running scared to me!



Brilliant rider, but still a prick.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Wrong - because Jorge elected not to use it. The official lineis that he is saving it for the faster circuits to come

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This can just be smoke. Anyway, if that was the case it means it did not make a difference at Motegi... Official data say there was a gap of about 4 kmh between the two bikes. Such small differences don't mean anything. For instance, Stoner's Ducati was also clocked 4-5 kmh faster than Nicky's. Or,just guess, the fastest Honda was... Melandri's, 4 kmh faster than Dovi's.

Talpa said:

Race for third eh, what's everyone talking about and what did the coverage focus on. Stoner had it won in the first two corners. The gap was unbeatable after the first two laps as is the case with ....... 800's.



Anyone bitching about this battle should .... off and watch lawn bowls. And I note the ones that are are rossi haters, if the tables were turned and it was Jorge who came up trumps well, we know exactly what they'd sprout......

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The gap was 1.7 seconds when Rossi got by Lorenzo with something like 17 laps left, hardly unbeatable. Admit it, when Rossi ran the fastest lap on the next lap after getting past Lorenzo, you just knew he was going to start running down the leaders. But that is not what happened, both Stoner and Dovi wicked it up and left him in the dust. So get on with your 3rd place celebration, as sad as it is.

Bunyip said:

................Although none of Rossis moves appeared to be "illegal", the fact that many of his rivals over the years are saying the same thing, suggests that perhaps there is a problem. ..................

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Yes, of course there is a big problem. They all got their ... kicked, and it pains.

J4rn0 said:

Yes, of course there is a big problem. They all got their ... kicked, and it pains.

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You,re almost my favourite poster..................its just that little bit of bopper in you that spoils it



At least you appreciate talent in others (like Stoner)..........something young Talpa is incapable of.

Wow mountain out of a "Fairy Floss line"



If it had been a battle for 1st and both had an oportunity for a world title at the end of the race, the "bitchfest"may have had some pertinence.



But Lorenzo obviously had more pace, and Ego spurred Rossi on to have a spatty at him to hold him up.

I know the Boppers loved it cos they are clutching at straws at the moment, however as some say here " it was for third" ( yes scrabbling for the crumbs ).

It can get ridiculous, a race of just constant block passing and bitching at each other is like watching a fairy fight from gone with the wind, in that respect Lorenzo holds some of the blame for the "handbag match", he had the pace he should have created a space between himself and Rossi earlier and not been so "Mr Safe", because as was seen it probably ended up being eve more dangerous for him than had he just gone for it.

Also Rossi has an agenda to be a ..... to Yamaha because they will not release him to Duc. so Lorenzo allowed himself to get sucked right into that panty-fight as well.

Rossi is in the mood for a handbag fight over that, and falsely lulled Lorenzo to believe otherwise in recent press musings ...... but now he knows where he stands.



I think today we saw Lorenzo being too safe, and Rossi just grabbed some well needed attention from it, nothing more. Otherwise the Stoner and Dovi match just blew it into oblivion.



As of next week none of it will matter a drop, Lorenzo will get his crown. Then he may celebrate and we could see him ride hard again cos it doesn't matter.



Wah wah wah, get over it you Boppers 3rd is "ok", sure you want him in 1st and he likely will be some time again.However in the meantime, you guys are making Chris Crocker look like Winston Churchill with all the sooking

woody996 said:

Yes Rossi stuffed the start. Wheelied off the line. He can't blame Lorenzo for that.

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Did anyone else see a jump start? THe question has been floating around the net.

Bunyip said:

Imagine the outcry if the tables were turned.................Rossi closing in on a title, and his teammate pulls all these moves on him?! Sure, while you are still both in the title hunt, but NOT in this situation.

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Bingo



.... it though. It was a great entertaining race, finally something to get the blood flowing.

SackWack said:

Did anyone else see a jump start? THe question has been floating around the net.







Bingo



.... it though. It was a great entertaining race, finally something to get the blood flowing.

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I did wonder. Thought he stopped though before starting. Would need to see a replay.

rofl this race is what we waited for all year seems some arn't happy with that uh

i suggest a rule change then if there's close racing they should give team orders on the pit board F1 Style

meh



Capirex did a touch move many years ago that was ok

today's race was a sunday tea party compared to that







what next in sport boxers cant hit each other.

Pigeon said:

rofl this race is what we waited for all year seems some arn't happy with that uh

i suggest a rule change then if there's close racing they should give team orders on the pit board F1 Style

meh



Capirex did a touch move many years ago that was ok

today's race was a sunday tea party compared to that







what next in sport boxers cant hit each other.

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If there ever is such a thing as TEAM boxing, i have never seen it. But if there were, imagine team A is on the verge of knocking out the competition and winning the title, but your teammate has a brain fart and sucker punches you from behind. You guys are still not getting the big picture. Rossi had an obligation to the Yamaha TEAM, to not do exactly what he did. Im not surprised, he is about himself and nothing else.

povol said:

If there ever is such a thing as TEAM boxing, i have never seen it. But if there were, imagine team A is on the verge of knocking out the competition and winning the title, but your teammate has a brain fart and sucker punches you from behind. You guys are still not getting the big picture. Rossi had an obligation to the Yamaha TEAM, to not do exactly what he did. Im not surprised, he is about himself and nothing else.

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And poor ole Hayden has him as a team mate next year

was nice to see some hard racing..that's what makes the sport exciting imo.



and as far as rossi helping j.lo win the title, i think when pedbot went down with that injury...he no longer needed any help (as if he needed it at all)...the title is pretty much his...there's no way he's leaving sepang without at least a 75 point lead.



i honestly couldn't care less who's battling as long as there's a battle on the track..watching things go around a track spaced out by 2 or more seconds is not exactly fun

povol said:

If there ever is such a thing as TEAM boxing, i have never seen it. But if there were, imagine team A is on the verge of knocking out the competition and winning the title, but your teammate has a brain fart and sucker punches you from behind. You guys are still not getting the big picture. Rossi had an obligation to the Yamaha TEAM, to not do exactly what he did. Im not surprised, he is about himself and nothing else.

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.... off mate, stop hating so proudly and ridiculously, I believe that there were two participants in this battle. Jorge was off line in all of the really close stuff. And as for helping to his title, pedders crashed you tossers-- game over. Jorges got it, he didn't have to race like that either, funny thing that ego- no ones mentioning jorges. Jorge is the one who put his title on the line not rossi.



There was no way Jorge was going to win the race, so why battle so hard for third and risk your title......farcking funny that Jarvis and other Jorge lovers at Yamaha are crying foul too, funny they didn't do that when Rossi raced like this against max, gibbers and stoner.



The race was great. This is racing. And most here only call foul when Rossi wins it. .... off and go and watch something else cause you don't belong here supporting real racing, and those who watched in the many years before 2006 will understand what I mean.......

it looks like neither Rossi or Lorenzo wanted to settle for 4th place...and we should be glad they don't want to. It sucks when a team order makes a result for each rider. Lorenzo has a huge point cushion and had the choice to settle for 4th (he chose not to) and Rossi is still riding for his sponsors as well so why should he back down to give Lorenzo 3 extra points??



Both Rossi and Lorenzo want to earn every podium and point on their own race talent....so good on them for pushing each other to the edge. They both did not have the win in sight but they still wanted to beat their teammate.



Curious why many think Lorenzo was entitled to 3rd by Rossi.....didn't Rossi give Lorenzo enough wins and podiums in the begining of the season???

povol said:

The gap was 1.7 seconds when Rossi got by Lorenzo with something like 17 laps left, hardly unbeatable. Admit it, when Rossi ran the fastest lap on the next lap after getting past Lorenzo, you just knew he was going to start running down the leaders. But that is not what happened, both Stoner and Dovi wicked it up and left him in the dust. So get on with your 3rd place celebration, as sad as it is.

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Wrong again, at least check before you post such rubbish and call it fact.



Stoner didn't wind the wick up at all, he stayed in between 1.47.4 and 147.9 pretty much the whole race.



Lorenzo lost 2.5 seconds to Stoner by lap 6 when Rossi got past him. Rossi now in front of Jorge and both held Stoners pace before the battle, all bar lap 16, 17 and 18 where they lost around half a second a lap. Interestingly enough both Rossi and Jorge found that extra half a second again in laps 19, 20 and 21, leaning......

Talpa said:

Wrong again, at least check before you post such rubbish and call it fact.



Stoner didn't wind the wick up at all, he stayed in between 1.47.4 and 147.9 pretty much the whole race.



Lorenzo lost 2.5 seconds to Stoner by lap 6 when Rossi got past him. Rossi now in front of Jorge and both held Stoners pace before the battle, all bar lap 16, 17 and 18 where they lost around half a second a lap. Interestingly enough both Rossi and Jorge found that extra half a second again in laps 19, 20 and 21, leaning......

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Stoner 6 laps under 1' 47.5, rossi 1 ( the fastest lap) which was .015 seconds faster than stoner's fastest lap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGugl-cW7sY



0:50 and 1:09 ... rossi wasnt on the racing line and pushed lorenzo off, second time rossi purposly pushed lorenzo way off the racing line, no where near the apex was rossi. what a hack