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Fair comments Michael and Tom. He isn't perfect but it also takes a hell of a lot of skill to pull off some of those moves under that type of pressure.
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Cant believe you guys.
Accross 3 different forums people have been bitching about how this season has been pants & yes i think it has along with 03,05 & 07 but we finally get some good scrappin on track & your whining like a bunch of faggotts!
Lorenzo although i do not like him deserves credit for not being boring & playing it safe & having a go.
Rossi deserves credit for not conceding...would you of done?
These guys are racers & that is what they are paid millions for, if they just sit back then i think they should go play golf & the obvious haters of real racing should either go watch F1 or maybe re visit some of the 990 or some of the 2 stroke seasons to get you back in the mood!
Accross 3 different forums people have been bitching about how this season has been pants & yes i think it has along with 03,05 & 07 but we finally get some good scrappin on track & your whining like a bunch of faggotts!
Lorenzo although i do not like him deserves credit for not being boring & playing it safe & having a go.
Rossi deserves credit for not conceding...would you of done?
These guys are racers & that is what they are paid millions for, if they just sit back then i think they should go play golf & the obvious haters of real racing should either go watch F1 or maybe re visit some of the 990 or some of the 2 stroke seasons to get you back in the mood!
I don't go for this line of argument either in general (there were once wide bodies of opinion the earth was flat and the sun moved around the sun), or specifically concerning rossi and motogp; apart from anything else it is unlikely to be fruitful if you are a fan of a rider other than rossi since a large majority of motogp fans are rossi fans.
Rossi can be fairly ruthless on track, probably an essential requirement to win so many world championships, but I don't think he is any harder than mick doohan for instance who was widely acclaimed for such hardness, including by me and very likely you. I think rossi's only unequivocally murky move was the gibernau last corner pass.
I do see some hypocrisy in him calling this duel fun ( it certainly loooked that way to me) but elias dangerous after a previous similar duel.
I think lorenzo has handed rossi a psychological advantage particularly by involving jarvis/yamaha, and his reaction has been everything rossi might have hoped for and more. Of course this may not avail rossi much, since as you and I know stoner is going to be his problem next year.
You,re confusing evidence with opinion. Don,t start me on debunking religious mantra and superstiton a la Dawkins! I thought you could manage better than this Mike.
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I knew when i came on this morning what to expect, but it still amazes me the lengths that Rossi fans will go to give themselves hope.
I have no problem with the racing, that was Jorges decision to push the matter, but personally, i think it was stupid on his part to risk everything for a 3rd pace finish. What cracks me up, it was for a 3rd place finish, but according to bops, it was some resurrection of the messiah. First, Rossi is full of ...., he said earlier this week that he would try and help Lorenzo win the title, it probably came as a little bit of a surprise to everyone in the Yamaha camp, that Rossi would risk taking out his championship leading teammate after Lorenzo raced him clean. No biggie, now we know who Rossi is, and what he is about. For all of you sitting around with your yellow towels and hand cream, here is the bad news. IT WAS FOR 3rd,and he had to result to questionable tactics to beat a guy who had better pace on a worn out engine. Did i mention it was just for 3rd. You guys are starting to sound like us Hayden fans, looking for any moral victory you can findOh, and one more thing, the shoulder thing appears to have been slightly exaggerated, or does it only hurt when Lorenzo finishes ahead of him
Are you trying to ignore your favorite's measurable race, by talking .... about Rossi fans again? Mr Slave?
Rossi has a win and a few podiums in his Worst racing year ever with 4 rounds less than others, and your Hayden has Only a 3th. Rossi has 9 championships and your Hayden has 1.
keep wishing for us to become like you. an Slave!!!
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I'm not seeing a whole lot of whining, all in all i think most of us are chuffed to get some close, exciting, edge of your seat racing. There are one or two people kicking about the extreme oponions as they are for every event but i think most of us are on the same page on this one. We like
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your first 2 reasons looks right to me, but about the 3th one, If i was an anti Stoner, i would say he left Duc to avoid a hard fight with Rossi.
who knows why they exactly change their places, but they all have their reasons and rights.
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dont need to tell us you Wished that that 3th place was taken by Nikky. cry a bit more.
since when is a podium and a last lap overtake become that poor and bad. did you say the same things last gp when Hayden did the same to Horhay or not mr Slave?
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the only highlight this year are these two last laps .. like last year the only highlight were the last laps in catalunya .. and the year before half the laguna race .. also in 2007 catalunya again
and all these have only one rider in common. coincidence? we ll see what happens when he retires and we have 5 sec safe margins between the others, how funny it will be
(the only one i m sure will never cry no matter what win or lose is spies, i see him taking rossi's place in the future as multiple champion .. i really hope he does)
If Stoner was not riding at full potential, how about Hayden? What does he know about Ducati? If Stoner or Lorenzo says something similar, Rossi fans will not miss the chance to call them arrogant and make fuss. But then, to them he is always a charming and innocent guy who never does anything wrong.
Surprisingly from Italian website. It makes sense. Poor Tamada was penalized in 2005 by touching Gibernau. Double standards?
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/slider/2050-lorenzo-rossi-il-sorpasso.htm
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/slider/2050-lorenzo-rossi-il-sorpasso.htm
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Not so surprisingly... GPOne is well known as a site that has little love lost for Rossi.
Which does not mean it's bad... I always read it and it has a lot of punctual information.
You have a definite point in logic if you consider complaints by highly competitive hyper-elite motorsport competitors after they have been beaten to be evidence rather than opinion. As tom says they all do it (with the possible exception of spies as someone says later in the thread), including rossi on the very rare occasions he has lost out in such confrontations. I see some possibility that the complaint rate may have more to do with the frequency of him winning rather than the frequency of him riding in an unfair manner.
Much as I respect j4rno I do agree he is showing some bias ( as I am sure I constantly do in regard to stoner) in regard to laguna seca 2008 and the gibernau pass. I can't agree that rossi beat either rider to the apex through superior race-craft in either instance, but I don't think laguna seca was dirty; somewhat reckless perhaps.
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As has been mentioned....at last a great race at a circuit that is less than inspiring,loved it,a battle of ego`s in the last laps.Bring on 2011!!
2011!!! we still have 4 races to go this season! these last 4 have promise of EPIC proportions!
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View Postpovol, on 04 October 2010 - 10:56 AM, said:
If there ever is such a thing as TEAM boxing, i have never seen it. But if there were, imagine team A is on the verge of knocking out the competition and winning the title, but your teammate has a brain fart and sucker punches you from behind. You guys are still not getting the big picture. Rossi had an obligation to the Yamaha TEAM, to not do exactly what he did. Im not surprised, he is about himself and nothing else.
Nothing pisses off a bopper more than an even-handed and well thought out reply that quietly tells the truth; that Rossi is imperfect.
While it's exciting - in the heat of the moment - to witness the whole paint-swapping thing, the truth is - this kind of racing is not
really in the spirit of the rules that all racers agree to abide by. Passes are supposed to be CLEAN. This is racing in the modern
world - it's not supposed to mirror the murderous thugishness of gladiators in the coliseum. We have riders on zillion dollar machines
who spend boatloads of money on sophisticated training techniques for both mind and body - not so they can bash each other over
the head like a couple of high-speed bar brawlers. It's Grand Prix racing - not a ....... brainless boxing match. MGP racing while requiring big balls - is supposed be a sophisticated sport. As others have pointed out - Stoner, and now Lorenzo - because they lost their cool, forgetting to use Rossi's position to allow them to overtake later in the turn - lost out. MGP racing is by definition a refined (which is not the same thing as "bloodless") sport. Rossi's tactics were questionable at best - and while there were no "team orders" unnecessarily endangering Pedrosa (for the sake of 3rd place) and a championship that his bosses spent zillions of dollars on was really unprofessional and served no other purpose than to bolster Rossi's deflated ego after being shown the door by Yamaha - post tantrum.
If there ever is such a thing as TEAM boxing, i have never seen it. But if there were, imagine team A is on the verge of knocking out the competition and winning the title, but your teammate has a brain fart and sucker punches you from behind. You guys are still not getting the big picture. Rossi had an obligation to the Yamaha TEAM, to not do exactly what he did. Im not surprised, he is about himself and nothing else.
Nothing pisses off a bopper more than an even-handed and well thought out reply that quietly tells the truth; that Rossi is imperfect.
While it's exciting - in the heat of the moment - to witness the whole paint-swapping thing, the truth is - this kind of racing is not
really in the spirit of the rules that all racers agree to abide by. Passes are supposed to be CLEAN. This is racing in the modern
world - it's not supposed to mirror the murderous thugishness of gladiators in the coliseum. We have riders on zillion dollar machines
who spend boatloads of money on sophisticated training techniques for both mind and body - not so they can bash each other over
the head like a couple of high-speed bar brawlers. It's Grand Prix racing - not a ....... brainless boxing match. MGP racing while requiring big balls - is supposed be a sophisticated sport. As others have pointed out - Stoner, and now Lorenzo - because they lost their cool, forgetting to use Rossi's position to allow them to overtake later in the turn - lost out. MGP racing is by definition a refined (which is not the same thing as "bloodless") sport. Rossi's tactics were questionable at best - and while there were no "team orders" unnecessarily endangering Pedrosa (for the sake of 3rd place) and a championship that his bosses spent zillions of dollars on was really unprofessional and served no other purpose than to bolster Rossi's deflated ego after being shown the door by Yamaha - post tantrum.
I have to say this board amazes me, after watching an awesome race like this I hit the board to read moaners. Youre kidding right? I watched the last two laps a few times and I have to say, Lorenzo had it coming. Rossi was clearly faster, Lorenzo should have rode with a level head and not his ego. It seems to me that the close calls were from Lorenzo trying to push Rossi off the inside, Rossi pushed back, end of story, just enjoy the great racing for 3rd place. Weve waited ALL SEASON for this and you guys are going to ..... about it, WTF! I wouldnt say Rossi was unprofessional in his race-craft either. The difference that I see is when others try this on Rossi, they get burned and schooled, He doesnt panic and retaliates immediately.
To me it seemed they both tried passing that was questionable, Its Lorenzo's championship to win or lose, not Rossi's.
As for teammates, that wall was built a long time ago, other than sharing the same sponsor and manufacturer, thats it, they are not "team mates" they dont play in the sand together dude. This is racing, not a school reccess. Get real, teams dont ask another rider to bow down. WTF is that!
Again, after a race like this to read the crap on this board, its just sad.....
To me it seemed they both tried passing that was questionable, Its Lorenzo's championship to win or lose, not Rossi's.
As for teammates, that wall was built a long time ago, other than sharing the same sponsor and manufacturer, thats it, they are not "team mates" they dont play in the sand together dude. This is racing, not a school reccess. Get real, teams dont ask another rider to bow down. WTF is that!
Again, after a race like this to read the crap on this board, its just sad.....
