The fact of the matter is, if Lorenzo won he wouldn't be complaining and it would Rossi saying the racing was unfair. Each of them wanted to arrive in front of the other. It's only natural for the one who lost to be complaining. If the racing was unfair, race direction would've gotten involved. It was aggressive, but nothing worse than the Rossi-Gibernau battle at Jerez. Either way, i'm not complaining because it was fun to watch!
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Good stuff from both Jorge and Vale. That puts the score 2-0 in favor of Rossi in epic battles so far. Hell that puts jorge 0-2 in battles for the podium in the last two races. I think this just may bring out the Jorge of old. He has been very miserable the last couple of races. Anyone notice him all slumped over on the grid before the start of the race? I thought he was sick or something. My point is he isn't acting like someone on the verge of being crowned champion, and he also isn't acting like his flamboyant self. IMO he hasn't been right since Tomi's accident. I think he may be having a hard time dealing with it. Total speculation, I know, but he just doesn't seem like Jorge right now. Whatever it is that is bothering him he needs to come to grips with it, and hopefully he does.
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Although this years championship is pretty much over, I think it was good for Rossi to plant that seed in Jorge's mind a bit. Ok it was a bit questionable as to that one pass where he touched him but was it really THAT bad? If Jorge left the door cracked a bit then he left an opening for Rossi of all people to take the position. How many times does this happen that we don't see it cause of the cameras not showing it or being on those riders? You have to think that in Vale's mind to some degree he needed to establish himself a little bit and knock Jorge off his high horse a little bit. I think he did just that without question.
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I think this is the real substance of the race that kinda rendered it a lame move. I said it before, were Rossi actually rcing to better his position significantly it would have seemed more worthwhile, otherwise it was all just a personal ..... fight at Lorenzo. It may impress some but thats never been a part of racing, and were the FIM not so tied down by the "commerciality" of it they would have reacted, just as they do every day in less obvious racing leagues or guide national racing authorities to do.
Rossi "burn bridges" when he leaves a company, very much a contrast to see Ducati's reaction on Stoner ie. they have publicly said Stoner would be welcome back in an instant ...... bet Yamaha don't feel that about Rossi right now
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Now, I read the official speed data for the race, there is nothing in them indicating that Lorenzo's bike was any slower, and there was nothing visual either, for us watching the race, indicating such a thing. Lorenzo said they used the old engine because the new one would "not have lasted the distance"...
Whatever that means, reliability or fuel consumption, it is obviously untrue since Rossi's lasted the distance very well and Yamaha are known for not delivering any material to their teams that has not been throughly tested. So? Who lies...?
Butt hurts, that's all.
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Now, I read the official speed data for the race, there is nothing in them indicating that Lorenzo's bike was any slower, and there was nothing visual either, for us watching the race, indicating such a thing. Lorenzo said they used the old engine because the new one would "not have lasted the distance"...
Isn't he talking of the rest of the season? ie. if he used the new engine now he is in trouble a bit later. Not just single race reliability.Rossi has one more engine than Lorenzo doesn't he? hencehe could use one now.
youre full of poo men. the real championship is for individual riders, not for a team.
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Now, I read the official speed data for the race, there is nothing in them indicating that Lorenzo's bike was any slower, and there was nothing visual either, for us watching the race, indicating such a thing. Lorenzo said they used the old engine because the new one would "not have lasted the distance"...
Whatever that means, reliability or fuel consumption, it is obviously untrue since Rossi's lasted the distance very well and Yamaha are known for not delivering any material to their teams that has not been throughly tested. So? Who lies...?
Butt hurts, that's all.
Rossi quote after Qualifying
"We have improved in every area here, firstly we have made a big step with our setting, then we have the new engine from Yamaha which is enabling us to push more and be faster on the straights,
As we have discussed a million times, top speed on a straight depends on many variables. Rossi is saying the new engine is more powerful and offers more speed, you of all people have to heed what he says. Exit speed off of corner before straight, maybe he is braking a millsecond earlier than normal because of the shoulder, gearing, {acceleration is more important on this track] these are all things that will affect speed trap numbers. Lorenzo was faster at the end of the race, made clean moves and was punted in return. I cant wait for the reaction of the Rossi minions if this gets ugly,and its Rossi who is layed up all winter from injuries suffered in a Lorenzo retaliation. Once the title is settled, let the games begin
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Ever heard of a manufacturer title, its a pretty big deal.
Besides, only one of the participants in this cat fight is eligible for the riders title, the other had an ego explosion for THIRD.
Who cares about the manufacturers title? Povol, I dont think you get it, its not about the actual battle for 3rd it could have been for 16th and these two would have done the same. Rossi just ..... slapped J-Lo and woke the boy up, his party year was a freebie and Rossi wanted hiim to know it. Rossi wanted Yamaha to know it too. Hell I'd be pissed too, after all these years he has only a few left and they kick him. Sounds like a true american company right there, even though they're not they used our play book. Rossi's "stick it to the man and their new boy" actions sure hit the nail on the head. He sent the message, and it was delivered.
I'd rather see racing like this every race, so quit bitching and man up. These guys get paid to ride these bikes, and lets not forget they're tainted with electronics. So what do they need to add "orderly control" electronics now too?
I'd rather see racing like this every race, so quit bitching and man up. These guys get paid to ride these bikes, and lets not forget they're tainted with electronics. So what do they need to add "orderly control" electronics now too?
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I will tell you "Who cares about the manufacturers title?" .."The manufacturers!!" Thats it. Nobody else.
Racing is about which individual gets to the finish line first. And as for Sundays battle for 3rd, well, thats what this seasons championship has been missing, a bit of fight, drama, Excitement!! Thats why we watch it isn't it..!?
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As I already pointed out, Lorenzo did not lose his duel on the straight. Moreover, the official speed data for Motegi say that during the race there was an average difference of 4.5 kmh between Rossi and Lorenzo. That is to say, something negligible that is most often due to factors different from power, like mapping or braking points or gear ratios etc. (for comparison, in the same race the fastest Honda was Melandri's, by a 5 kmh margin).
Draw your own conclusions.
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What we saw on Sunday is what MotoGP is all about. What we have seen since is the infantile whinging of an inferior rider <3VR
Great comment from #@Alex__Briggs "1 rider had lots to loose but still chose to race" get off #VR46 back it takes 2 to tango!!!!! #Motogp
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What we saw on Sunday is what MotoGP is all about. What we have seen since is the infantile whinging of an inferior rider <3VR
Great comment from #@Alex__Briggs "1 rider had lots to loose but still chose to race" get off #VR46 back it takes 2 to tango!!!!! #Motogp
I knew when i came on this morning what to expect, but it still amazes me the lengths that Rossi fans will go to give themselves hope.
I have no problem with the racing, that was Jorges decision to push the matter, but personally, i think it was stupid on his part to risk everything for a 3rd pace finish. What cracks me up, it was for a 3rd place finish, but according to bops, it was some resurrection of the messiah. First, Rossi is full of ...., he said earlier this week that he would try and help Lorenzo win the title, it probably came as a little bit of a surprise to everyone in the Yamaha camp, that Rossi would risk taking out his championship leading teammate after Lorenzo raced him clean. No biggie, now we know who Rossi is, and what he is about. For all of you sitting around with your yellow towels and hand cream, here is the bad news. IT WAS FOR 3rd,and he had to result to questionable tactics to beat a guy who had better pace on a worn out engine. Did i mention it was just for 3rd. You guys are starting to sound like us Hayden fans, looking for any moral victory you can findOh, and one more thing, the shoulder thing appears to have been slightly exaggerated, or does it only hurt when Lorenzo finishes ahead of him
Rossi said he'd help Lorenzo if Yamaha asked him to. At that point I don't think they asked him to based on his actions, but they probably did so after the race
The grapes are beyond sour in this thread.....
That was a great battle, and to my mind thats 3-0 with the riders having the same race pace........in other words neck and neck races between the two.
I coulnt care less if that had been for 12th place, it was a war....and its what everyone really wants to see come raceday.
Great job by stoner for the win too!
That was a great battle, and to my mind thats 3-0 with the riders having the same race pace........in other words neck and neck races between the two.
I coulnt care less if that had been for 12th place, it was a war....and its what everyone really wants to see come raceday.
Great job by stoner for the win too!
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Comeon peoples. We wait all season for a no holds barred dogfight and we finally get it and people still aren't happy. That was hard racing by both Lorenzo and Rossi. It wasn't some clinical formula 1 passing conducted while one bike was in the pits. It's races like that which everyone finds exciting - ones that normally aren't interested in motogp. They build the fan base of the riders and the sport. I hope once Rossi goes that someone else races with the same unreserved passion because motogp will not be as enjoyable without these types of battles.
Lorenzo has the championship in the bag. He just has to finish. He poked the rattlesnake with a stick though multiple times. It should have been obvious to Lorenzo that Rossi had forgotten the team orders but he still chose to fight. I bet if pedrosa was leading the race it might have gone differently. I'm grateful that Lorenzo put in and went for it. Yes it was a clash of the biggest egos on the track but .... it was entertaining.
Lorenzos title is his and he will have won it convincingly, as did Stoner in 07.
The riders championship is the one that matters not the others. In this Rossi still has a chance to move up the list, not win it but move up. Is that irrelevant?
This thread reminds me of the crap about the odd punchup in football here in Australia. It is no longer politically correct to support the odd punchup and the refs step In and penalize or someone gets put on report. What do the fans think about this? They are cheering about it. They want a hard tough game with plenty of spice. The do gooders are taking over however.
Without entertainment in our races, fans will get bored and watch something else. Ratings fall and money disappears from the sport. Money goes and Lorenzo stoner everyone gets a pay cut. Once Rossi leaves, we should hope that the huge following of fans that he has (of varying intelligence - same as for all riders) transfers their enthusiasm to another rider and maintains their interest in the sport.
Lorenzo has the championship in the bag. He just has to finish. He poked the rattlesnake with a stick though multiple times. It should have been obvious to Lorenzo that Rossi had forgotten the team orders but he still chose to fight. I bet if pedrosa was leading the race it might have gone differently. I'm grateful that Lorenzo put in and went for it. Yes it was a clash of the biggest egos on the track but .... it was entertaining.
Lorenzos title is his and he will have won it convincingly, as did Stoner in 07.
The riders championship is the one that matters not the others. In this Rossi still has a chance to move up the list, not win it but move up. Is that irrelevant?
This thread reminds me of the crap about the odd punchup in football here in Australia. It is no longer politically correct to support the odd punchup and the refs step In and penalize or someone gets put on report. What do the fans think about this? They are cheering about it. They want a hard tough game with plenty of spice. The do gooders are taking over however.
Without entertainment in our races, fans will get bored and watch something else. Ratings fall and money disappears from the sport. Money goes and Lorenzo stoner everyone gets a pay cut. Once Rossi leaves, we should hope that the huge following of fans that he has (of varying intelligence - same as for all riders) transfers their enthusiasm to another rider and maintains their interest in the sport.
Good Points +1.........however I don't think we are seeing 'Do Gooding' in this thread in the calls against the battle, its just pure 'HATE' from the usuals: abysmal, pathetic and hypocritical. As for Jorge saying his passes were all 'fair' hmmmmm riding around the outside and trying to chop off Rossi's nose in an attempt to push him into the dirt....??? I loved it though!!
The most interesting point about the new engine is Jorge saying he didn't use it as it would not last the distance-meaning Fuel no doubt, so how did Rossi last then? How lean do they need to run these things just to make it?
Funny thing, when Stoner barged up on the inside on Rossi in Germany, questionable-certainly based on the rubbish in this thread, not for me though I thought it was a great move. Rossi was on the losing end and still said it was fun..........shame Jorge has lost his cool and reverted back to his old ways-losing does funny things to some......
