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FACTORY · Oct 5, 2010

povol said:
Jorge has now gone on record and vowed to take it to Rossi once the title is settled. If something catastrophic happens to Rossi, lets see how you feel then.

"It's the sort of behaviour he has already displayed in the past with Gibernau and Stoner. Now it's been my turn, but I'm not like them. Should we fight side by side again once the title is won, I'll do things his way."

great, he is a big tough guy.....once the title is secure. How about be a hard racer and go into Sepang where they left off and not worry about the 9 points you need to clinch the title. This would be like me having straight A's not studying to hard for a test because I wanted to be wild and stay out all night......but I already won the scholarship the week before so the test really does not matter either way. So big deal if he "wants to race' after he takes it easy for title points.

Doing it "Rossi's way" would mean racing against him the next time they both meet on the track.........Lorenzo's way is racing hard once there is no risk of championship failure. I am not knocking Lorenzo for playing it safe to win the title.....I am knocking him for being a tough guy and taking Rossi up on his racing challenges only when Lorenzo wants to do it. Lorenzo either needs to .... or get of the pot and stop playing both sides.

Keshav · Oct 5, 2010

Rob said:
I mean taking what happened at motegi and trying to suggest that you dont want it to go like "demolition derby"....

Its both melodramatic and cynical, and its this kind of approach which has made F1 a total shambles.

Of course just IMO.

Besides its pointless preaching about what injury you personally may have been through, i am pretty sure we all know that both valentino and jorge have both had nasty injuries in the past themslves.....did it stop either of them at motegi? and did one of them fall and end up in hospital?

In fact i cant remember an occasion where a rider has been hospitalised due to the actions of rossi and his agressive "demolition derby" style.....or even come close to it.

You fail to point out what precisely is cynical about my post.

The fact that both riders have sustained injuries didn't stop them from endangering - their opponents.

Their egos are too big too consider that they themselves might be injured. And safe racing is about

more than any two riders or single incident. This kind of thing is always okay -

until someone gets seriously injured. Look at how many riders have been

injured or killed while riding according to the rules of safe racing. There are

rules re: rough riding, that the governing bodies rarely have the balls to

enforce - simply because it's not popular with the fans.

That you continue to make nonsensical statements and are incapable of explaining the (non-existent) logic of what

you said - tells me that you're incapable of proper debate and therefore - someone not to waste time on.

You do the typical bopper thing, where you ignore any question from the earlier post, while cherry-picking

aspects of later posts to argue about. There's a term for this. It's called "pettifogging". It's

the favorite weapon of people who are incapable of debating with integrity.

So if you throw up yet another post filled with statements you cannot qualify - don't be

surprised if I can't be bothered to reply.

Jumkie · Oct 5, 2010

FACTORY said:
great, he is a big tough guy.....once the title is secure. How about be a hard racer and go into Sepang where they left off and not worry about the 9 points you need to clinch the title. This would be like me having straigh A's not studying to hard for a test because I wanted to be wild and stay out all night......but I already won the scholarship the week before so the teast really does not matter either way. So big deal if he "wants to race' after he takes it easy for title points.

Doing it "Rossi's way" would mean racing against him the next time they both meet on the track.........Lorenzo's way is racing hard once there is no risk of championship failure. I am not knocking Lorenzo for playing it safe to win the title.....I am knocking him for being a tough guy and taking Rossi up on his racing challenges only when Lorenzo wants to do it. Lorenzo either needs to .... or get of the pot and stop playing both sides.

Perhaps you just look at it as 'tough guy A' vs 'tough guy B', but Lorenzo doesn't because he is giving the people, that is the team, their just reward of a title for working so hard, and its not for him to jeopardize that any more than he did at Motegi when he battle under a false assumption. Factory, you echo the sentiments of many here that the championship is all done and dusted, but infact it is not, now is it? In a season which has seen two devastating injuries to two of the four "aliens" (as they are called), the smart and sensible thing to do is not test fate. That is not what he meant when he said "Rossi's way", I'm sure you know his implication. So you are "not knocking Lorenzo"? Interesting reality you have there.

Now you applied your "nothing to lose" logic to one rider, can you do the same for the other? (Yeah, see what you just did?) Logic--how will you apply it today?

LittleEgg · Oct 5, 2010

Keshav said:
You fail to point out what precisely is cynical about my post.

The fact that both riders have sustained injuries didn't stop them from endangering - their opponents.

Their egos are too big too consider that they themselves might be injured. And safe racing is about

more than any two riders or single incident. This kind of thing is always okay -

until someone gets seriously injured. Look at how many riders have been

injured or killed while riding according to the rules of safe racing. There are

rules re: rough riding, that the governing bodies rarely have the balls to

enforce - simply because it's not popular with the fans.

That you continue to make nonsensical statements and are incapable of explaining the (non-existent) logic of what

you said - tells me that you're incapable of proper debate and therefore - someone not to waste time on.

You do the typical bopper thing, where you ignore any question from the earlier post, while cherry-picking

aspects of later posts to argue about. There's a term for this. It's called "pettifogging". It's

the favorite weapon of people who are incapable of debating with integrity.

So if you throw up yet another post filled with statements you cannot qualify - don't be

surprised if I can't be bothered to reply.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cynical

point 2.

Oh and i didnt ignore anything, it was just too bothersome at the time i posted...i was busy.

You are using big words when describing the type of agression in the race/races, hoolignism/destruction derby.......and playing the "health and safety" card to back it up.

The day that motogp is interfered with to the extent of F1, is the day i start watching tour de france.

To my knowledge nobody has been hospitalised/injured by getting caught up in a neck and neck race with rossi during his 14 year career....yet interestingly peope suffer injuries a lot more often running in practise on their lonesome.....unless someone corrects me on this, its a rather interesting factor.

The only thing hurt has been ego's/pride, thats not to suggest it will never happen(Tomizawa, Rainey etc had accidents but nut under the circumstances we are debating)....but thats the sport.

I hope what you envision never happens, it it wont be half the spectacle it is, and always was.

Keshav · Oct 5, 2010

Rob said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cynical

point 2.

Oh and i didnt ignore anything, it was just too bothersome at the time i posted...i was busy.

You are using big words when describing the type of agression in the race/races, hoolignism/destruction derby.......and playing the "health and safety" card to back it up.

The day that motogp is interfered with to the extent of F1, is the day i start watching tour de france.

To my knowledge nobody has been hospitalised/injured by getting caught up in a neck and neck race with rossi during his 14 year career....yet interestingly peope suffer injuries a lot more often running in practise on their lonesome.....unless someone corrects me on this, its a rather interesting factor.

The only thing hurt has been ego's/pride, thats not to suggest it will never happen(Tomizawa, Rainey etc had accidents but nut under the circumstances we are debating)....but thats the sport.

I hope what you envision never happens, it it wont be half the spectacle it is, and always was.

I like the way you refer to health and safety as "a card" - as if these were trumped up concepts . The health and safety

of the riders is always a paramount concern. Just because nobody has been killed

yet doesn't make it magically acceptable to flout the safety rules.

When it happens in the heat of the moment - it happens. But when it's coldly

pre-meditated - it's not acceptable - no matter how much of a crowd pleaser

it may be.

That riders have been killed or crippled for life while not rough racing informs any logical person that racing is

sufficiently dangerous without making the odds worse by riders colliding with other riders at speeds over 180 MPH.

Don't know how long you've been following racing. I've been watching since 1979 when I had to phone long distance

to the guys on the Isle Of Man at Geoff Duke's joint to order the races on VHS tapes. And I can attest that there's been

a more than one or two races over the last few decades that were sufficiently exciting without upping the danger quotient

by riders intentionally banging into each other. Just my humble two cents - but I think real connoisseurs of the sport

get off on passing done clean and legal at high speeds without touching because it's a .... of a lot harder to do

and requires more finesse. If I needed to satisfy a hunger for bozos smashing into each other at high speed - I'd watch NASCAR.

povol · Oct 5, 2010

FACTORY said:
great, he is a big tough guy.....once the title is secure. How about be a hard racer and go into Sepang where they left off and not worry about the 9 points you need to clinch the title. This would be like me having straigh A's not studying to hard for a test because I wanted to be wild and stay out all night......but I already won the scholarship the week before so the teast really does not matter either way. So big deal if he "wants to race' after he takes it easy for title points.

Doing it "Rossi's way" would mean racing against him the next time they both meet on the track.........Lorenzo's way is racing hard once there is no risk of championship failure. I am not knocking Lorenzo for playing it safe to win the title.....I am knocking him for being a tough guy and taking Rossi up on his racing challenges only when Lorenzo wants to do it. Lorenzo either needs to .... or get of the pot and stop playing both sides.

Im not really sure what some of you dont get about the title being more important than anything at this point. It

looks to me like Rossi is going to pack up and go home [ according to Krop] rather than risk Lorenzo's retaliation. He knows the next race will see Lorenzo ride safe to secure the title, then he can go about the business of ....... with Rossi's head for the next 3 races.Rossi's response is to run home and hide for the rest of the season. What a chicken .... mother ....... Lorenzo draws a line in the sand and god vanishes into the clouds. They sure dont make gods like they used to.

dwoodhouse · Oct 5, 2010

povol said:
Im not really sure what some of you dont get about the title being more important than anything at this point. It

looks to me like Rossi is going to pack up and go home [ according to Krop] rather than risk Lorenzo's retaliation. He knows the next race will see Lorenzo ride safe to secure the title, then he can go about the business of ....... with Rossi's head for the next 3 races.Rossi's response is to run home and hide for the rest of the season. What a chicken .... mother ....... Lorenzo draws a line in the sand and god vanishes into the clouds. They sure dont make gods like they used to.

That's funny. I can't remember Rossi chickening out from a fight on a track. The thing that upsets Lorenzo the most is that he was beaten by a one armed Rossi. Lorenzo wants to make his claims now before Rossi fixes his injury. Seems povol wants the same thing.

johnnyvvc · Oct 5, 2010

Not sure you are reading between the lines there pov.

To me it seems Yamaha are being arses about the whole thing rather than issueing a statement saying they would prefer their riders not to engage in close combat until various interests in the titles have been secured. Lorenzo is just stirring as much as possible although i think it will blow up in his face if he aint careful.

The only reason Rossi has been hanging around & not getting his shoulder fixed is because he thought there was a chance of testing at Valencia, although i think Yamaha never had any intention of letting him don the red skins.

After the Motegi battle he aint gonna get knowhere near it so he may as well get Sepang over with as it is one of his favourite tracks & they are all out there already then go get the shoulder that has been giving you gip all season long sorted.

Plus he aint gonna beat Lorenzo at Estoril even when healthy let alone with a buggered shoulder & he dont like Valencia so whats to keep riding for, especially when your employer has turned its back on you.

Remeber he has obligations to sponsors though as well as Yamaha so maybe he has been hanging around for them??

FACTORY · Oct 5, 2010

Jumkie said:
Perhaps you just look at it as 'tough guy A' vs 'tough guy B', but Lorenzo doesn't because he is giving the people, that is the team, their just reward of a title for working so hard, and its not for him to jeopardize that any more than he did at Motegi when he battle under a false assumption. Factory, you echo the sentiments of many here that the championship is all done and dusted, but infact it is not, now is it? In a season which has seen two devastating injuries to two of the four "aliens" (as they are called), the smart and sensible thing to do is not test fate. That is not what he meant when he said "Rossi's way", I'm sure you know his implication. So you are "not knocking Lorenzo"? Interesting reality you have there.

Now you applied your "nothing to lose" logic to one rider, can you do the same for the other? (Yeah, see what you just did?) Logic--how will you apply it today?

he can collect the needed points and take the title.....it is the smart thing to do to make sure he does secure the championship. The "I will race you real hard" after the fact is what is silly. Once he has the title....his hard racing is just like an exhibition race since there is no points risk for him any more.

Again I dont care if he races hard or rides easy....I just wish he would pick a side and stay with it (either hard ... racer or just run in safe mode). It is silly to hear him say he wants to race hard with Rossi....then complain that the racing was tough (although legal)....then say he will battle him the race after Sepang. For a guy who wanted to prove he could take it to Rossi all season and come out ahead.....he sure has an odd way of showing that.

Plus when has Rossi ever not tried for the win or the podium even when it is close to clinch time for the title?? Didn't he always push to get the best finish to get the points as soon as possible??

povol · Oct 5, 2010

woody996 said:
That's funny. I can't remember Rossi chickening out from a fight on a track. The thing that upsets Lorenzo the most is that he was beaten by a one armed Rossi. Lorenzo wants to make his claims now before Rossi fixes his injury. Seems povol wants the same thing.

Seems to me that Rossi made his most recent about face AFTER he had been challenged. He said he would decide on what to do after this past weekends race, depending on how he performed. According to the bops, this was a performance for ages, you know, im back, im still here blah blah. He also said that Motegi would be the hardest on his shoulder and if he performed well there, he would more than likely finish the season. So what happened. He is either a ball less .... who is running from retribution , or he is a spoiled rotten child who quits when scolded by the headmaster. Neither is very flattering, but you can run with whichever makes you feel better.

FACTORY · Oct 5, 2010

povol said:
Im not really sure what some of you dont get about the title being more important than anything at this point. It

looks to me like Rossi is going to pack up and go home [ according to Krop] rather than risk Lorenzo's retaliation. He knows the next race will see Lorenzo ride safe to secure the title, then he can go about the business of ....... with Rossi's head for the next 3 races.Rossi's response is to run home and hide for the rest of the season. What a chicken .... mother ....... Lorenzo draws a line in the sand and god vanishes into the clouds. They sure dont make gods like they used to.

how can Rossi race Lorenzo hard again if Yamaha has asked Rossi to back off for Sepang so Lorenzo can get the title that round.....and then have Rossi get his shoulder fixed ending his season (if Krop's article is true)? Sounds like Lorenzo and Yamaha are the ones running and hiding.

BarryMachine · Oct 5, 2010

this thread is the "Bopperfest of the Century"

There's some mighty silly sulking going on

Fans

Where's Talpa!? we just need Talpa to come along and turn it from a good giggle ( yes Rog. has had his say

) to a side splitting/roll on the floor sookfest

chopperman · Oct 5, 2010

povol said:
Seems to me that Rossi made his most recent about face AFTER he had been challenged. He said he would decide on what to do after this past weekends race, depending on how he performed. According to the bops, this was a performance for ages, you know, im back, im still here blah blah. He also said that Motegi would be the hardest on his shoulder and if he performed well there, he would more than likely finish the season. So what happened. He is either a ball less .... who is running from retribution , or he is a spoiled rotten child who quits when scolded by the headmaster. Neither is very flattering, but you can run with whichever makes you feel better.

make up your mind !

In one thread you claim rossi is faking his injury. stating if it were that bad he would go and have the op already. Now is decides he will get it fixed you claim he is a chickenshit.

Why would he be running from Lorenzo? He beat jorge fair and square at motegi, He has no chance in the championship and next season he wont be with yamaha. So what the .... is he about facing on ?

This is a pinky post !

LittleEgg · Oct 5, 2010

Keshav said:
I like the way you refer to health and safety as "a card" - as if these were trumped up concepts . The health and safety

of the riders is always a paramount concern. Just because nobody has been killed

yet doesn't make it magically acceptable to flout the safety rules.

When it happens in the heat of the moment - it happens. But when it's coldly

pre-meditated - it's not acceptable - no matter how much of a crowd pleaser

it may be.

That riders have been killed or crippled for life while not rough racing informs any logical person that racing is

sufficiently dangerous without making the odds worse by riders colliding with other riders at speeds over 180 MPH.

Don't know how long you've been following racing. I've been watching since 1979 when I had to phone long distance

to the guys on the Isle Of Man at Geoff Duke's joint to order the races on VHS tapes. And I can attest that there's been

a more than one or two races over the last few decades that were sufficiently exciting without upping the danger quotient

by riders intentionally banging into each other. Just my humble two cents - but I think real connoisseurs of the sport

get off on passing done clean and legal at high speeds without touching because it's a .... of a lot harder to do

and requires more finesse. If I needed to satisfy a hunger for bozos smashing into each other at high speed - I'd watch NASCAR.

I guess we just have different views. Safety is all well and good and i am obviously all for it, but also not going overboard and calling the weekends racing anything like destruction derby and hooliganism etc, as i still feel its a rather dramaitc statement. For me i want the sport to remain the sport i have followed for the last 13 years or so....not become some dumbed down, red taped ..............and i just feel that these overly harsh attitudes over what amounted to nothing more than a great race, doesnt help this cause.

Different strokes i guess.

But one cannot help but think its more down to sour grapes than anything really meaningful......not actually singling anyone specific out with that(dont need to lol), just a general feeling.

EDIT: WOW just read some more of the other posts, the emotions are bubbling over from all the rossi haters.....dont forget to keep dressing it up with a

Here is an interesting link for those who dig this kind of thing:

http://www.hatebook.com/

Peace out

BarryMachine · Oct 5, 2010

chopperman said:
make up your mind !

In one thread you claim rossi is faking his injury. stating if it were that bad he would go and have the op already. Now is decides he will get it fixed you claim he is a chickenshit.

Why would he be running from Lorenzo? He beat jorge fair and square at motegi, He has no chance in the championship and next season he wont be with yamaha. So what the .... is he about facing on ?

This is a pinky post !

Povol has some good arguments and has stuck with that throughout.

You just get on with no put just denial and sooking at him.

This is a Rogey post .......

babelfish · Oct 5, 2010

chopperman said:
make up your mind !

In one thread you claim rossi is faking his injury. stating if it were that bad he would go and have the op already. Now is decides he will get it fixed you claim he is a chickenshit.

Why would he be running from Lorenzo? He beat jorge fair and square at motegi, He has no chance in the championship and next season he wont be with yamaha. So what the .... is he about facing on ?

This is a pinky post !

Well said

and I still can't belive that in a race where JLo attack Rossi, Rossi get the blame for being aggressive

and this forum is supposed to be overrun by Rossi Boopers? FYI the rest of the world are more or less in outrage over Yamaha's treatment of Rossi, but hey, don't let that keep you all from living in this little artificial bubble of delusion.

BarryMachine · Oct 5, 2010

Babelfish said:
FYI the rest of the world are more or less in outrage over Yamaha's treatment of Rossi,

Well the yellow Community is not "the rest of the world" to some

Get real

povol · Oct 5, 2010

chopperman said:
make up your mind !

In one thread you claim rossi is faking his injury. stating if it were that bad he would go and have the op already. Now is decides he will get it fixed you claim he is a chickenshit.

Why would he be running from Lorenzo? He beat jorge fair and square at motegi, He has no chance in the championship and next season he wont be with yamaha. So what the .... is he about facing on ?

This is a pinky post !

He has waffled more than John Kerry on his decision to get his shoulder fixed. Before this past weekend, he said if he performed well at Motegi, he would finish the season. Now that Lorenzo has called him out, he has decided to go ahead and quit the year. Like i said, he is either running from the possibility of getting scuffed up, or he is pouting child that is going to quit because the boss wants him to tow the company line. If Rossi doesnt want to tow a company line, he needs to start his own team, sponsor the team with his money, THEN, he can do whatever the hell he wants to.He is not the boss, and was reminded of such this weekend. We pay you, you will do what the .... we say, or you can go away and pout.

Keshav · Oct 5, 2010

povol said:
He has waffled more than John Kerry on his decision to get his shoulder fixed. Before this past weekend, he said if he performed well at Motegi, he would finish the season. Now that Lorenzo has called him out, he has decided to go ahead and quit the year. Like i said, he is either running from the possibility of getting scuffed up, or he is pouting child that is going to quit because the boss wants him to tow the company line. If Rossi doesnt want to tow a company line, he needs to start his own team, sponsor the team with his money, THEN, he can do whatever the hell he wants to.He is not the boss, and was reminded of such this weekend. We pay you, you will do what the .... we say, or you can go away and pout.

I'm guessing Yamaha has brought to bare some kind of substantial contractual pressure on Rossi

to fulfill his obligation to not .... with the efforts to gain the championship. Who knows? They might

have some kind of serious dirt on him. Anything's possible. I don't think for a second he's afraid to

go head-to-head with Lorenzo. Wouldn't surprise me if Rossi having had his fun - is experiencing

a clearer head - one with more perspective re: how it makes him look to those companies that will

be sponsoring him in the new season. It has to make the corporate bean counters a little nervous

when the guy they're pinning all their money-making strategies on - willfully goes out of his way

to behave in a fashion that is detrimental to goals of his main sponsor - Yamaha. Corporate types

don't much fancy putting millions of dollars in resources behind a spokesperson who's perceived as a loose cannon.

dwoodhouse · Oct 5, 2010

Keshav said:
I'm guessing Yamaha has brought to bare some kind of substantial contractual pressure on Rossi

to fulfill his obligation to not .... with the efforts to gain the championship. Who knows? They might

have some kind of serious dirt on him. Anything's possible. I don't think for a second he's afraid to

go head-to-head with Lorenzo. Wouldn't surprise me if Rossi having had his fun - is experiencing

a clearer head - one with more perspective re: how it makes him look to those companies that will

be sponsoring him in the new season. It has to make the corporate bean counters a little nervous

when the guy they're pinning all their money-making strategies on - willfully goes out of his way

to behave in a fashion that is detrimental to goals of his main sponsor - Yamaha. Corporate types

don't much fancy putting millions of dollars in resources behind a spokesperson who's perceived as a loose cannon.

Yes clearly you are right. Rossi is unendorsable and a marketing nightmare. In the past I have considered an r1. I will never do that again. I'm not the only person that would think that way.

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