Minimum Bike & Rider weights expected for 2013

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sure its complicated, but wheres a will theres a way and there are enough smart minds that can find sensible solutions so that at least we can prevent the riders above 1.65m looking like skeletons if they want to succeed.

they do it already in moto3 to a degree
 
barbedwirebiker said:
It shouldn't depend on size.



I'm just interested in how they are going to police the rule, and how the weight will be carried. By rider or machine.
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The way it works in Moto3 is how it will work (if it is adopted, though it looks likely given the amount of whining which has been done over it).



Minimum bike weight

Minimum combined rider + bike weight.



In other words, bike may be no lighter than X, and bike and rider together may be no lighter than Y.



Up to teams to decide to add weight to rider, bike, or whatever.



Max Sabbatani, who is probably four foot something, tells of crashing in Jerez in the rain. He had added weights in his leathers, and he thought he would never stop sliding.
 
Andy Roo said:
More than 1 billion people will tune into Tour de Prance this year. You can do better than that Krop.
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It wasn't a set up. It was a genuine question. I am genuinely interested in the motivation behind people's choice to watch a series the profess to find totally corrupt and without merit. I, too, will be tuning into the Tour de France (mad about cycling), and still believe that Armstrong won those TdFs on merit. Yes, he was cheating his arse off, but his victories had more to do with his mental fortitude and self-belief than having a better doping program than Telekom. I suspected at the time that I was watching a spectacle that was not being fought out according to the rulebook, but it was still fascinating to watch.



So that is my question: does disgust at the alleged blatant rigging of the rulebook overcome the thirst for bike racing or not? And at what point does it?



Sorry for banging on about this, but it does appear to be something that is quite specific to Powerslide. The other forums I cast a glance at are nowhere near as obsessed with the way the rules appear to be rigged to favor certain riders. There is an interesting philosophical debate taking place here almost entirely implicitly, one which I think is key right now to the future of motorcycle racing, which is what the essence of motorcycle racing is, sport, entertainment or technology.



Right, I'll shut up now and get on and do some work. Probably.
 
We all love bikes, bike racing and talking about bikes and bike racing or else we wouldn't spend time on this site or yours. We also love the politics of the sport or else we wouldn't continuously discuss it. Politics is always biased one way or the other. The politics of MotoGP is just the same as the politics we face at work and in society. The difference is is that the politics in MotoGP doesn't affect us like it does at the job or in our society, it just affects our horse in the race. If your rider has the politics on their side then you don't notice it. But if it is against your rider then you notice it ten fold.



Whether you keep watching or keep a strong passion for it or not boils down to whether or not you have a horse still in the race. I will lose a big portion of my passion for MotoGP next year because Stoner is no longer riding. Will I lose my passion for bike racing? No way. I will just transfer it somewhere else that doesn't have the politics that I find smelly. For me it will be AMA SX & MX and all of the extreme enduro stuff like Erzberg etc.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
We all love bikes, bike racing and talking about bikes and bike racing or else we wouldn't spend time on this site or yours. We also love the politics of the sport or else we wouldn't continuously discuss it. Politics is always biased one way or the other. The politics of MotoGP is just the same as the politics we face at work and in society. The difference is is that the politics in MotoGP doesn't affect us like it does at the job or in our society, it just affects our horse in the race. If your rider has the politics on their side then you don't notice it. But if it is against your rider then you notice it ten fold.



Whether you keep watching or keep a strong passion for it or not boils down to whether or not you have a horse still in the race. I will lose a big portion of my passion for MotoGP next year because Stoner is no longer riding. Will I lose my passion for bike racing? No way. I will just transfer it somewhere else that doesn't have the politics that I find smelly. For me it will be AMA SX & MX and all of the extreme enduro stuff like Erzberg etc.
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Good answer. Thanks.
 
For mr its not the horse but the sport, the riders, the entertainment, the technology, the politics, the soap opera drama, the history. I cannot yet foresee a day when I won't be interested in MGP as it evolves.



The demographic of the sport will/is definitely changing and as the fad of sportbikes with kids seems to be fading in the west due to economics, insurance, law enforcement, other options... markets like China, India, SE Asia, S America will grow enormously. Insurance for a litrebike here is about $300/year and you can ride the country from top to bottom (BKK excluded) on great roads at any speed you wish.



I have re-watched the Sepang races and the Moto2/3 races really are a high-water mark for SE Asian motorcycle racing thus far. The feeling of "something special" mixed with the monsoon that day.
 
Mick D said:
For mr its not the horse but the sport, the riders, the entertainment, the technology, the politics, the soap opera drama, the history. I cannot yet foresee a day when I won't be interested in MGP as it evolves.



The demographic of the sport will/is definitely changing and as the fad of sportbikes with kids seems to be fading in the west due to economics, insurance, law enforcement, other options... markets like China, India, SE Asia, S America will grow enormously. Insurance for a litrebike here is about $300/year and you can ride the country from top to bottom (BKK excluded) on great roads at any speed you wish.



I have re-watched the Sepang races and the Moto2/3 races really are a high-water mark for SE Asian motorcycle racing thus far. The feeling of "something special" mixed with the monsoon that day.
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I have to be agree with you that Moto2/3 races at Sepang were the eyes opener for me and some Aussies where in the past 125 and 250 cc classes were considered support races to MotoGP.
 
V5Stroker said:
I have to be agree with you that Moto2/3 races at Sepang were the eyes opener for me and some Aussies where in the past 125 and 250 cc classes were considered support races to MotoGP.
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I can see how developing the Moto2 format into a premiere national series worldwide could really work as an amazing feeder system for WSBK and MGP in the future. For SE Asia, India, China, S America and parts of Europe, Moto2 format would probably be top tier racing. In the US, UK Aus, etc there would be AMA/BSB style 1000cc racing but 600cc racing could easily be Moto2 format. The economy of many national series using the Moto2 format, engine and chassis suppliers would both bring down the (already fairly reasonable) costs and increase the exposure of the suppliers possibly bringing in new engine and engfineering efforts.



And the racing is great! Fairing bashing, multiple lines in AND out or corners, bike and rider min weights and away you go!
 
Just increase bike weight 50lbs and height 5 inches accross the board and up the fuel limit.
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Kropotkin said:
Max Sabbatani, who is probably four foot something, tells of crashing in Jerez in the rain. He had added weights in his leathers, and he thought he would never stop sliding.
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That is the unintended consequence of the rider-bike minimum weight. I was going to write that while I approve of such rules, they give a big advantage to larger riders, who are movable ballast, than to smaller riders, who must add immovable ballast to their bikes.



It could create a perverse incentive for small riders to weight themselves with ballast if they cannot achieve the minimum rider weight naturally. The rider would have more weight than is natural for his volume and surface area. I'm not surprised to hear that one of the consequences of ballasting a rider is never-ending slides on rainy tracks. If ballasting the rider is not outlawed, who's to say that big riders won't continue starving themselves, and then ballasting themselves to improve the distribution of rider mass? But if they ban ballast in the leathers, big riders are at a significant advantage, depending on the minimum established rider weight.



I approve of a rider-bike minimum weight, but this isn't the kind of regulation you'd add to the rulebook over coffee one morning.
 
For the record, I'm against combined rider-bike weight limits.
 
Jumkie said:
For the record, I'm against combined rider-bike weight limits.
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Yep. For MotoGP, getting rid of the 21litre rule will do more for the likes of Edwards/Rossi/Hayden's ability to mangia pie/bevi tinny than any combined rider-bike weight limit.
 

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