Michael Scott: An Oasis in a Sea of Sh*t

birdman said:

Let’s leave the dramatic over exaggerations to the journalists and stick to the topic buddy. Do the riders as a whole agree Marquez is reckless, dangerous, unsafe? I don’t know myself, as you pointed out I can’t read their minds, yet from statements in the press no rider other than Rossi is calling for action specifically on Marquez. Maybe they should follow motogp tradition and have a vote?

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It is incontrovertible that Stoner took Sete out in 2006 and that the serious injury caused Sete to conclude that he had enough. I don't wish to call Stoner a dangerous rider (because he's not), but that was a big and serious mistake. Let's call a spade a spade.

RCV600RR said:

Very good article. I agree with most of it, but not the rather absurd conclusion that "Marc should be left to ride as he does". He needs to rein his behavior in. The clashes with Espargaro, Syahrin or Rossi could've been very serious.

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Your comments really show your lack of understanding anything about racing, every overtake whether at the top end of sport or as an amateur has its inherent risk. The fact remains that if someone doesn't want you to pass its easy to stop them.
For example lets pretend you ride a motorcycle and you come to a junction (lets call it a T junction) its rush hour traffic and you are thinking of getting home, you leave a 2 foot gap at that junction and another bike comes and fills the gap, what would you do?

JPSLotus said:

There's you with your hypocritical double standards.

No mention of the Petrucci incident which Espargaro said was far worse.

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With all due respect Asparagus shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a race track when others are riding.

Theo said:

Your comments really show your lack of understanding anything about racing, every overtake whether at the top end of sport or as an amateur has its inherent risk. The fact remains that if someone doesn't want you to pass its easy to stop them.
For example lets pretend you ride a motorcycle and you come to a junction (lets call it a T junction) its rush hour traffic and you are thinking of getting home, you leave a 2 foot gap at that junction and another bike comes and fills the gap, what would you do?

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I've raced national level supersport and finished top 15. How about you, Theo?

RCV600RR said:

It is incontrovertible that Stoner took Sete out in 2006 and that the serious injury caused Sete to conclude that he had enough. I don't wish to call Stoner a dangerous rider (because he's not), but that was a big and serious mistake.

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I thought you were taking the high road? Did he crash into Sete attempting a pass causing serious injuries and ending his career? To my recollection he highsided and his bike subsequently took out Sete. Your statement would therefore be the equivalent as to attempt to claim Simoncelli’s injuries were caused by Rossi. To my way of thinking Rossi was no more in control of the situation than Stoner. I do t know why you have tried to move the discussion in this direction tbh. How does anything Stoner did relate to Marquez? Like you said it’s not something to joke about and I’m not joking. I’m interested in how you came to your conclusion regarding the Stoner crash causing injuring to Sete and ending his career. How does it relate? Serial crashers need to be penalised?

BarryMachine said:

Houseslides "ARE" initiated with the rear brake. Arent they?

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Do you mean rear end slides?

birdman said:

I thought you were taking the high road? Did he crash into Sete attempting a pass causing serious injuries and ending his career? To my recollection he highsided and his bike subsequently took out Sete. Your statement would therefore be the equivalent as to attempt to claim Simoncelli’s injuries were caused by Rossi. To my way of thinking Rossi was no more in control of the situation than Stoner. I do t know why you have tried to move the discussion in this direction tbh. How does anything Stoner did relate to Marquez? Like you said it’s not something to joke about and I’m not joking. I’m interested in how you came to your conclusion regarding the Stoner crash causing injuring to Sete and ending his career. How does it relate? Serial crashers need to be penalised?

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You need to read page nine again. You're badly confused.

synn said:

I was only referring to the vitriol that you lots show towards Rossi. The article had none of it. Move along now, isn't it bingo time in the retirement house?

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So why does it worry you if some of us loathe Rossi's guts. I'll tell you for a fact that if I ever saw Rossi again I'd give him something to consider and that doesn't include violence which I think you prefer from the safety of a computer keyboard. Tell you what, put up a picture of yourself on here and I might consider coming to Misano to see what you're made of.

Theo said:

So why does it worry you if some of us loathe Rossi's guts. I'll tell you for a fact that if I ever saw Rossi again I'd give him something to consider and that doesn't include violence which I think you prefer from the safety of a computer keyboard. Tell you what, put up a picture of yourself on here and I might consider coming to Misano to see what you're made of.

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We could have a forum meet up and slap synn day..could be a lot of fun,he'd better ask his mum if he can go first though.

synn said:

I bet he knows that there’s a race at Misano this year though.

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I bet he can't find it on a map.

RCV600RR said:

I've raced national level supersport and finished top 15. How about you, Theo?

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I was an amateur, highest I got in a few races was 2nd. So now lets put the rest in perspective, you know how to ride a bike, you also understand the risks, so why come out with the crap you do. We've all been on the push and shove, paint swapping and survived it, MM is a far better rider than Rossi ever was, yet you think he should be penalized for riding the edge. Thats utter bollox and you know it.

pyeman said:

We could have a forum meet up and slap synn day..could be a lot of fun,he'd better ask his mum if he can go first though.

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If she can read our comments I bet she'd jump at the chance to get rid of him.

RCV600RR said:

Let's throw in large metal spikes on the fairings, and attach large jousting sticks to the front and rear of every motorcycle.

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Mad max like ...................... now we are talking

RCV600RR said:

Synn must be laughing at the number of posts dedicated to whether he is or isn't Rog. He's in Barry and Kesh's heads.

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Being honest, I doubt he is anywhere near to being in Baz's head as Baz can play that game as well .............. kind of like to alpha Rams butting heads in a sheep paddock over the best looking Ewe there is

RCV600RR said:

I think it was a mistake, but it doesn't mean it's not reckless. The same applies to Rossi's pass at Jerez. It was a mistake, but it was reckless.

Scott is an excellent journalist, and I largely agree with his article.

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I think Scott describes it well actually.

He at no times insinuates that it was a deliberate action which some people seem to think correlates to it being reckless - ie. if it is reckless it must have been deliberate.

In both MM's case at Argentina and VR's at Jerez they were catching riders going at a slower place, saw a chance, tried it and ...... up resulting in the other rider being unable to continue.

In both cases there was water involved.

Sometimes when the track surface gets wet a racer struggles to 'turn down' his brain to a level that is not at perfect condition level. Plus, well racers.

RCV600RR said:

I think it's better not to joke about certain matters. This is one.

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To be fair though RCV, you did state that Stoner destroyed Sete's shoulder (which was never the same from 2005 if Sete is to be believed) so it does open up to the VR/Marco situation.

Both racing incidents and neither involving negligence or recklessnes ......... just .... circumstances (IMO)

RCV600RR said:

It is incontrovertible that Stoner took Sete out in 2006 and that the serious injury caused Sete to conclude that he had enough. I don't wish to call Stoner a dangerous rider (because he's not), but that was a big and serious mistake. Let's call a spade a spade.

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FWIW, Stoner was through and past Sete when he fell - lost the front - leaving Sete with nowhere to go but over him/the RVC.

Keshav said:

Christ is he still on about that?

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Just ignore him...he might go away,even a half brain moron gets bored eventually..

Gaz said:

Being honest, I doubt he is anywhere near to being in Baz's head as Baz can play that game as well .............. kind of like to alpha Rams butting heads in a sheep paddock over the best looking Ewe there is

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Dont say that .... arab might see it

RCV600RR said:

For the penalty, I think one key distinction between Jerez11 and Argentina18 is the sheer volume of incidents Marquez was involved in during the race (not to mention the weekend).

If we want to discuss the question of why Marquez was called reckless after the incident, it's due to the extremely high frequency of dangerous moves he has made (as I detailed in other threads). By contrast, aAt that point in Rossi's (16 year) career, he had only really been involved in two questionable manoeuvres (Jerez05, LS08), so Stoner (who destroyed Sete's shoulder in 06 and caused his retirement) didn't have strong cause to call Rossi reckless (given the infrequency incidents Rossi had experienced until that point). Stoner nevertheless gave Rossi a strong serve when Rossi entered his garage.

There is a good argument that Rossi should've been penalized at Jerez11. It was never going to stick. I remember seeing Rossi attempt the pass an instant before the crash and feeling a sense of bewilderment.

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Stoner crashed his bike out on his own in 2006, not in an intemperate attempted pass, and was crashed into by following riders. Sure he made a rookie error over-riding a satellite bike on discarded Michelins, but he was immediately profusely apologetic even at trackside and took it very much to heart, never causing a crash let alone an injury by a riding error for the remainder of his career. I don’t think he even made more than 1 pass which could be considered questionable, and that pass, part of the bad weekend he had the race after Sachsenring 2012, was over the edge only by his own standards. He was a hypocrite, much like Rossi at Argentina, that weekend though because he had taken Petrucci to task over a practice altercation.

I might have to bow to your superior knowledge on the nature of the pass itself, but it does not change my view that Rossi was manipulative and hypocritical post race at all, particularly given the close to exact parallel with Jerez 2011 which was a far more ambitious pass as Stoner noted, his only truculent post-race comment and only public because Rossi marched in with an accompanying TV crew, after which he moved on, and that Rossi had taken MM himself out of a race as a result of a deliberate and illegal attempt to run him off the track. I think Stoner was particularly peeved because he was quite happy to, and tried to, concede the position to Rossi, so Scott’s (and my) view that MM could have waited till the next corner applies in spades to Rossi at Jerez 2011.

Keshav said:

And you are still hiding behind your avatar and won't post anything to identify yourself - and since you're such a hard-ass, or so you claim, the only reason why you would be afraid to post anything, is that you're a sockpuppet and I think we know whose.

And I'll say this about Knockdown... at least he doesn't repeat the same insipid joke 60 times a day.

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His prose style and entire tone are different than Roger’s, and while Roger could get angry as most of us do at times, which we shouldn’t over words on a fan forum, he had quite a good sense of humour imo.

If he is a sock puppet I can think of only one likely suspect (whom I won’t name because the same applies to him as to Roger). If a sock puppet it would involve both being smart enough to consistently maintain a fake persona over a large number of posts and being crazy/obsessed enough to be prepared to do so. Certainly betrays some sort of long term familiarity with the forum, and likely a native English speaker as even those who speak English very well as a second language don’t commonly pick up (primary) schoolboy idiom, and if they did would likely be too intelligent/sophisticated to employ it.

michaelm said:

His prose style and entire tone are different than Roger’s, and while Roger could get angry as most of us do at times, which we shouldn’t over words on a fan forum, he had quite a good sense of humour imo.

If he is a sock puppet I can think of only one likely suspect (whom I won’t name because the same applies to him as to Roger). If a sock puppet it would involve both being smart enough to consistently maintain a fake persona over a large number of posts and being crazy/obsessed enough to be prepared to do so. Certainly betrays some sort of long term familiarity with the forum, and likely a native English speaker as even those who speak English very well as a second language don’t commonly pick up (primary) schoolboy idiom, and if they did would likely be too intelligent/sophisticated to employ it.

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Its ok Michael. Not worth stressing over. Its a throw away line about rog. I actually think its a shame he left. And talpa etc.

I may not have agreed with rog. On many things. And can accept that that could always be. But he did have a good heart.

The other thing the likes of rog., talps etc. Do is broaden the spectrum. Always a good thing. This isnt a yellow one eyed forum. Nor is it vice versa. Thats why im here I think.