yep lori was a good loser. at least he won 1 race, that kept him going for the rest of the season.
melandri 08 champ my prediction
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Nov 14 2007, 12:19 PM) [snapback]100690[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
lol how ironic.
you say loris developed the bike for stoner. but then the same people say the bike loris is on he cant ride/couldnt adapt to, thats why he fared so bad this season. bhahhahaha
hypocrisy is rife
Whether or not the 07 bike suited Capi, he still did alot of the work with Bridgestone for some years and eventually he did get them their first 4 or 5 wins so he deserves some credit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 14 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]100691[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I sure did!! .... not only that I reckon he is part of why Stoner did so well this year ..... I've said it before .... not many would have acted as gracious as Capi. did throughout this season ...... with his newbie teammate comming in and dominating....... he could have made it .... for Stoner but that does not appear to be his style .... I reckon that alone would have been worth a boost to Stoner ..
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lol how ironic.
you say loris developed the bike for stoner. but then the same people say the bike loris is on he cant ride/couldnt adapt to, thats why he fared so bad this season. bhahhahaha
hypocrisy is rife
Whether or not the 07 bike suited Capi, he still did alot of the work with Bridgestone for some years and eventually he did get them their first 4 or 5 wins so he deserves some credit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 14 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]100691[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I sure did!! .... not only that I reckon he is part of why Stoner did so well this year ..... I've said it before .... not many would have acted as gracious as Capi. did throughout this season ...... with his newbie teammate comming in and dominating....... he could have made it .... for Stoner but that does not appear to be his style .... I reckon that alone would have been worth a boost to Stoner ..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 14 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]100691[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I sure did!! .... not only that I reckon he is part of why Stoner did so well this year ..... I've said it before .... not many would have acted as gracious as Capi. did throughout this season ...... with his newbie teammate comming in and dominating....... he could have made it .... for Stoner but that does not appear to be his style .... I reckon that alone would have been worth a boost to Stoner ..
best thing ive read from you !
capi and nakano are part of the reason stones are so good as well imo and should be given a lot more credit for there work.winning races is not the whole story behind motogp, developing new products is just as important for the sports future..
I sure did!! .... not only that I reckon he is part of why Stoner did so well this year ..... I've said it before .... not many would have acted as gracious as Capi. did throughout this season ...... with his newbie teammate comming in and dominating....... he could have made it .... for Stoner but that does not appear to be his style .... I reckon that alone would have been worth a boost to Stoner ..
best thing ive read from you !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 14 2007, 06:18 PM) [snapback]100750[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Whether or not the 07 bike suited Capi, he still did alot of the work with Bridgestone for some years and eventually he did get them their first 4 or 5 wins so he deserves some credit.
Not only that, but the testing went fine on the GP7 until the testing ban period last year. After that it went downhill. I don't know what went wrong but I suspect Ducati made a (wise) desition listening to Stoner for the remaining test period.
Whether or not the 07 bike suited Capi, he still did alot of the work with Bridgestone for some years and eventually he did get them their first 4 or 5 wins so he deserves some credit.
Not only that, but the testing went fine on the GP7 until the testing ban period last year. After that it went downhill. I don't know what went wrong but I suspect Ducati made a (wise) desition listening to Stoner for the remaining test period.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Nov 13 2007, 09:07 PM) [snapback]100631[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Why do people keep saying "well if the Duc is so good, where is Capi" or things along that line... Capi sucks...i love the dude....but he's NEVER been THAT good a rider...he's sucked since day one in the big leagues...
Don't you remember just how much of an animal the Duck was 5 years ago when they first came into Motogp. And how Capi was the only one capable of taming it then. Or how much Bayliss struggled as Capi's team mate. Or, indeed, after more of Capi's input, when Bayliss came back for Valencia last year...
I really believe that Capi has put huge amounts of effort getting Ducati to where they are now in Motogp. Sure, he did the work on 990's, but five years ago Duke had no Motogp experience.....
As far as the 800 is concerned I think it's about old dogs. The TC is such a defining issue this year, especially on the Duke (where it is said that the system "learns" from the way the rider uses the system)
Why do people keep saying "well if the Duc is so good, where is Capi" or things along that line... Capi sucks...i love the dude....but he's NEVER been THAT good a rider...he's sucked since day one in the big leagues...
Don't you remember just how much of an animal the Duck was 5 years ago when they first came into Motogp. And how Capi was the only one capable of taming it then. Or how much Bayliss struggled as Capi's team mate. Or, indeed, after more of Capi's input, when Bayliss came back for Valencia last year...
I really believe that Capi has put huge amounts of effort getting Ducati to where they are now in Motogp. Sure, he did the work on 990's, but five years ago Duke had no Motogp experience.....
As far as the 800 is concerned I think it's about old dogs. The TC is such a defining issue this year, especially on the Duke (where it is said that the system "learns" from the way the rider uses the system)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 15 2007, 11:59 AM) [snapback]100824[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
As far as the 800 is concerned I think it's about old dogs. The TC is such a defining issue this year, especially on the Duke (where it is said that the system "learns" from the way the rider uses the system)
Yep apparently the Ducati can be ran by remote control and is the sole reason Casey won 10 races on it.
In fact I'm pretty sure the team just straps his hands and feet on the bike and tell him to hang on for dear life.
As far as the 800 is concerned I think it's about old dogs. The TC is such a defining issue this year, especially on the Duke (where it is said that the system "learns" from the way the rider uses the system)
Yep apparently the Ducati can be ran by remote control and is the sole reason Casey won 10 races on it.
In fact I'm pretty sure the team just straps his hands and feet on the bike and tell him to hang on for dear life.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 15 2007, 05:45 AM) [snapback]100764[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
best thing ive read from you !
oh well I'm still waiting for the "best" from you Rog.
best thing ive read from you !
oh well I'm still waiting for the "best" from you Rog.
i "heard" that too from a guy at the pub who dont have a job and plays the pokies all day. so it must be true
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 15 2007, 01:15 AM) [snapback]100828[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yep apparently the Ducati can be ran by remote control and is the sole reason Casey won 10 races on it.
In fact I'm pretty sure the team just straps his hands and feet on the bike and tell him to hang on for dear life.
Don't take things out of context, he was just stating the obvious.
Yep apparently the Ducati can be ran by remote control and is the sole reason Casey won 10 races on it.
In fact I'm pretty sure the team just straps his hands and feet on the bike and tell him to hang on for dear life.
Don't take things out of context, he was just stating the obvious.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Nov 15 2007, 01:59 AM) [snapback]100824[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Don't you remember just how much of an animal the Duck was 5 years ago when they first came into Motogp. And how Capi was the only one capable of taming it then. Or how much Bayliss struggled as Capi's team mate. Or, indeed, after more of Capi's input, when Bayliss came back for Valencia last year...
I really believe that Capi has put huge amounts of effort getting Ducati to where they are now in Motogp. Sure, he did the work on 990's, but five years ago Duke had no Motogp experience.....
As far as the 800 is concerned I think it's about old dogs. The TC is such a defining issue this year, especially on the Duke (where it is said that the system "learns" from the way the rider uses the system)
I Don't doubt Capirossi's effort to make this bike what it is today but I also think that the bike was very good last year. Not a beast anymore. The reason I say this is that with Capirossi on top it still look like a beast, shaking out of every second turn, while both Bayliss and Stoner could make it a winner at first try.
Don't you remember just how much of an animal the Duck was 5 years ago when they first came into Motogp. And how Capi was the only one capable of taming it then. Or how much Bayliss struggled as Capi's team mate. Or, indeed, after more of Capi's input, when Bayliss came back for Valencia last year...
I really believe that Capi has put huge amounts of effort getting Ducati to where they are now in Motogp. Sure, he did the work on 990's, but five years ago Duke had no Motogp experience.....
As far as the 800 is concerned I think it's about old dogs. The TC is such a defining issue this year, especially on the Duke (where it is said that the system "learns" from the way the rider uses the system)
I Don't doubt Capirossi's effort to make this bike what it is today but I also think that the bike was very good last year. Not a beast anymore. The reason I say this is that with Capirossi on top it still look like a beast, shaking out of every second turn, while both Bayliss and Stoner could make it a winner at first try.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 15 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]100844[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Don't take things out of context, he was just stating the obvious.
Obvious? none of it's obvious except to you people in denial.
The kid can really ride, thats why he won the champioship.
If not Ducati would have filled the first 4 places.
Why do you think accepting that the kid rode faultlessly all season and deserved his win, somehow takes anything away from what Vale is or has achieved? Are you that bitter?
Don't take things out of context, he was just stating the obvious.
Obvious? none of it's obvious except to you people in denial.
The kid can really ride, thats why he won the champioship.
If not Ducati would have filled the first 4 places.
Why do you think accepting that the kid rode faultlessly all season and deserved his win, somehow takes anything away from what Vale is or has achieved? Are you that bitter?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 15 2007, 02:15 AM) [snapback]100828[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yep apparently the Ducati can be ran by remote control and is the sole reason Casey won 10 races on it.
In fact I'm pretty sure the team just straps his hands and feet on the bike and tell him to hang on for dear life.
Nice one
Actually, if one says that the TC system learns from the rider, then it is to Stoner's credit to have 'trained' it well - Capi failed in that, Stoner succeeded.
At Ducati they have the bike-centric philosophy, they make a bike that should be fast, then it is the rider who has to adapt to the bike and exploit its potential, they do not design the bike on the rider.
Yep apparently the Ducati can be ran by remote control and is the sole reason Casey won 10 races on it.
In fact I'm pretty sure the team just straps his hands and feet on the bike and tell him to hang on for dear life.
Nice one
Actually, if one says that the TC system learns from the rider, then it is to Stoner's credit to have 'trained' it well - Capi failed in that, Stoner succeeded.
At Ducati they have the bike-centric philosophy, they make a bike that should be fast, then it is the rider who has to adapt to the bike and exploit its potential, they do not design the bike on the rider.
laura was nearly a WC in 2006, but could only acheive what 10th in 2007, so obviosly the 2007 ducati bike ahs gone backwards.
the only difference was the rider which made the difference
the only difference was the rider which made the difference
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 15 2007, 08:53 AM) [snapback]100852[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Obvious? none of it's obvious except to you people in denial.
The kid can really ride, thats why he won the champioship.
If not Ducati would have filled the first 4 places.
Why do you think accepting that the kid rode faultlessly all season and deserved his win, somehow takes anything away from what Vale is or has achieved? Are you that bitter?
damn, why do you have to be so defensive ? tc is mentioned so you get on your high horse.
thought this thread was about melandi anyway not ....... stoner !
Obvious? none of it's obvious except to you people in denial.
The kid can really ride, thats why he won the champioship.
If not Ducati would have filled the first 4 places.
Why do you think accepting that the kid rode faultlessly all season and deserved his win, somehow takes anything away from what Vale is or has achieved? Are you that bitter?
damn, why do you have to be so defensive ? tc is mentioned so you get on your high horse.
thought this thread was about melandi anyway not ....... stoner !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 15 2007, 08:07 PM) [snapback]100856[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
damn, why do you have to be so defensive ? tc is mentioned so you get on your high horse.
thought this thread was about melandi anyway not ....... stoner !
Don't try to be naive, you know as well as I do what some of these guys are getting at.
damn, why do you have to be so defensive ? tc is mentioned so you get on your high horse.
thought this thread was about melandi anyway not ....... stoner !
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 15 2007, 08:16 PM) [snapback]100857[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Don't try to be naive, you know as well as I do what some of these guys are getting at.
Well said! ..., wish I had been the one who said that! !!
this well said!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9r-Uy6q4g
Well said! ..., wish I had been the one who said that! !!
this well said!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9r-Uy6q4g
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 15 2007, 07:07 PM) [snapback]100856[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
damn, why do you have to be so defensive ? tc is mentioned so you get on your high horse.
thought this thread was about melandi anyway not ....... stoner !
You can't talk about topics going off thread Roger. Seem to remember you talking about cakes or some crap earlier in this thread.
damn, why do you have to be so defensive ? tc is mentioned so you get on your high horse.
thought this thread was about melandi anyway not ....... stoner !
You can't talk about topics going off thread Roger. Seem to remember you talking about cakes or some crap earlier in this thread.
Back to the topic .... Melandri has about as much of a chance of winning the title next year as say RdP does ... he won't! The last 5 years show he lacks consistency ... a factory Ducati ride won't help him! He will be there or thereabouts but he won't win the title! IMO!
