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Marquez vs Lüthi incident

Well thats a shame cos Marquez sure gave him some ...., then went on to win the race!! And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you get many points for how much .... you don't take
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True. The only place I could possibly think of that would give points for not taking ..... is an old folks home. How many points do you have barry?
 
True. The only place I could possibly think of that would give points for not taking ..... is an old folks home. How many points do you have barry?



If I even remotely got that, it would be ultra lame Mdub. ............ I'll give you another free go
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Comeon fella you can do way better than that
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Especially since I'd still whoop yo arse you young whipper snapper!!
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If I even remotely got that, it would be ultra lame Mdub. ............ I'll give you another free go
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Comeon fella you can do way better than that
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Especially since I'd still whoop yo arse you young whipper snapper!!
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Dude!?! I can tell by your anger just how lame you found it. But I am so down. 1st annual Powerslider mma tourney, I'll even come to you. Its was your challange so get me there.
 
What a mma? is it fun? ( pedaling is not fun so don't tell me it involves pedaling
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If it has pedaling I will cheat! )
 
Hey your a rossi fan, wrong team.
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I figured he was playing stupid. But then I remembered barry dont play.



I was/am ........ but thats always been easy for me to play stupid because I am innately good at it!



WhoTF knows what a martial arts thingy is!!......... ??
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Thats about fighting and my original challenge was in a "non-contact" pursuit! ie. bikes!!! ......... now who's innately stupid??
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I was/am ........ but thats always been easy for me to play stupid because I am innately good at it!



WhoTF knows what a martial arts thingy is!!......... ??
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Thats about fighting and my original challenge was in a "non-contact" pursuit! ie. bikes!!! ......... now who's innately stupid??
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Deal bikes it is. But one of your liking where we back it in or whatever. And then we go over to Danes(rip) and do my part over his 50 footers on the bmx. You down old man???
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Deal bikes it is. But one of your liking where we back it in or whatever. And then we go over to Danes(rip) and do my part over his 50 footers on the bmx. You down old man???
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Oh !!! 50 foot! ......... Even on a moto that would scare me these days ......... you win ......... just for even suggesting it!
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Dane had less fear than I ever didn't have, sadly.
 
Marc Marquez has that annoying look to his face. Can't stand the little prick.



Even so I think it was a harsh move, but fair. Luthi was afraid and didn't hold his ground...... I don't think Marquez would purposely push him off track, just pushed him right on the edge of fair play.
 
Or is there another explanation? Btw, don't bother telling me its because Marc is small. That's ........ too.



Sorry to bring this back from the dead
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Gearing, induction, exhaust, chassis (including reducing friction), aerodynamics, engine mapping. Aero also helps with things like airbox filling and hence, combustion pressure - which increases power.



Aero and gearing will have a major influence on speed. Luthi's about 4cm taller and only a few kg more than Marquez, so you are right, it isn't just because he is small.
 
They both ride Suter. So, same chasis, same aerodynamics. I think the gearing is the only thing that can be really changed. The engine mapping is "standard" if I´m not mistaken.
 
They both ride Suter. So, same chasis, same aerodynamics. I think the gearing is the only thing that can be really changed. The engine mapping is "standard" if I´m not mistaken.



I'd go with gearing or weight too.. equal machinery means nothing when someone has a better gearing setup.. we always hear about 'better drive out of the corner' due to a better line or more grip in the corner exit.. dont know how much that would contribute.. but at least a little.. and if you had one more tooth on the sprocket, plus better grip.. plus a lil less weight.. you'd blow by the guy on the exact bike without those things one would assume, on a long enough straight anyway
 
They both ride Suter. So, same chasis, same aerodynamics. I think the gearing is the only thing that can be really changed. The engine mapping is "standard" if I´m not mistaken.



The ECU is 'standard', in that it is supplied by Dorna and can't be modified - but the standard allows tuning of parameters. Engine mapping, in other words. Not as tunable as a MotoGP ECU, but more than your average WSS.
 
They both ride Suter. So, same chasis, same aerodynamics. I think the gearing is the only thing that can be really changed. The engine mapping is "standard" if I´m not mistaken.



Marquez has had different chassis - he's always a couple of steps ahead of the rest of the Suter riders - this has been a bone of contention. Suter explain it away as he is their rolling test bed. I odn't know about the aero package - aero testing is mucho expensive.



The bike they get from Suter is, like the CRT bikes, a package - the development is not only done by Suter, but the teams as well. Marquez' team is just better at it.
 
the exterior of the bikes is identical, so aero I don´t think is the difference.



Last year, Marquez was getting chassis upgrades because he was a tittle contender against another manufactureur. Factories always put more effort into someone that can win them a championship.



I haven´t seen anything anything this year, and especially at this point of the season that would indicate that Suter is doing what you claim. Especialy since they have another customer, Lüthi´s Interwetten, that is in the hunt. If you can direct me to that valuable info i´d be much appreciated
 
I'd go with gearing or weight too.. equal machinery means nothing when someone has a better gearing setup.. we always hear about 'better drive out of the corner' due to a better line or more grip in the corner exit.. dont know how much that would contribute.. but at least a little.. and if you had one more tooth on the sprocket, plus better grip.. plus a lil less weight.. you'd blow by the guy on the exact bike without those things one would assume, on a long enough straight anyway



Suspension plays a big part with grip, as does tyre pressure, The team that has the best database of tyre compound/temp/pressure will have an advantage.



When I was racing (so long ago
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) one big advantage I had over other teams was my background - I am a numbers geek. I kept detailed stats on everything from air pressure, humidity, ambient temperature, track temperature, track condition, tyre temp, tyre condition, tyre make, model, compound, bike, rider, rider weight, etc, etc. After 10 or so years of running at the same 8 tracks I had amassed a huge database of figures, that allowed us to extrapolate a setting before we even hit the practice sessions.



All teams in international competition do this - this is one reason the likes of Aspar has a seeming advantage over the relative newcomers like BQR (Blusens) - 25+ years of data at all those Spanish, French, Italian, German, tracks. BQR aren't novices, far from it, but they had been running bikes in Spanish Formula Extreme (1000cc) so they won't have the same kind of data as Aspar.



It is such a 'mappable' science that when a new tyre formulation is developed, it should only take a few different sessions to be able to correlate with previous tyres to be able to extrapolate potential settings. That's why race teams have data guys. It's not all about engine mapping.
 
the exterior of the bikes is identical, so aero I don´t think is the difference.



I didn't say it was. It is one area where it could be diffferent. Aero changes aren't only external... and you would need good eyes to see a narrowing of the fairing sides or a shortening of a belly pan or a change in the undertray. My eyes are old and tired - I'll leave it to you, as you are so sure.



Last year, Marquez was getting chassis upgrades because he was a tittle contender against another manufactureur.



Correct. Again, I didn't make any kind of judgement or comment of any sort except that it was one area of difference.



I haven´t seen anything anything this year, and especially at this point of the season that would indicate that Suter is doing what you claim.





They had at least 14 riders on their chassis in 2011, at least 3 of whom were vying for the lead - Marquez, Baldolini, Tomizawa, Redding, Simon, Iannone, Luthi, Kallio, Aegeter, Cluzel, Corti, Sofuoglu, De Rosa.



What has changed? They still have a bunch of racers paying them €80,000 for a chassis. The other thing which Marquez has is that Team CatalunyaCaixa Repsol payed more than €200,000 for full Suter factory support in 2011, it is likely they continued that relationship in 2012. With it you get on-going development work and full track-side technical assistance. How many other teams have gone this route?





And I am not 'claiming' anything - I pointed out what variables could point to a different performance from Marquez over other teams. It has obviously irked you, for some reason. I don't have a dog in this hunt, so I will leave you to it and keep any personal opinions to myself.
 

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