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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
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Romania
I love powerslide too, for the same reason
And on marquez thing. I stop rooting for him last year when i heard that only he gets new parts from the chasis manufacturer. I know he is not to blame for that, but i just can`t help it. and now the really hard pass on luthi. anyway, the double standard is obvious, and i can understand luthi`s reaction (slap on the forearm of marquez). News on that anybody?
And on marquez thing. I stop rooting for him last year when i heard that only he gets new parts from the chasis manufacturer. I know he is not to blame for that, but i just can`t help it. and now the really hard pass on luthi. anyway, the double standard is obvious, and i can understand luthi`s reaction (slap on the forearm of marquez). News on that anybody?
Ah, I love powerslide! I know I can always find some entertainment here.
Good thread. Yah, dirty calculated move. I like Marc Marquez but it getting hard to continue. After he attempted murder on that Thai rider, then this ..... It seems race direction and the sport won't ever learn to school these boys on what is proper racing vs dirty racing. Everybody likes a scrap, and I suspect peeps will look at the incident and declare it was just hard racing. Issuing a "warning" is ......... They will continue to do this until somebody crashes.
Btw, on a related note, anybody want to convince me that the power on these bikes are equal? Marc had to sit up to slow down his bike when he didn't want to pass at will on the straights, then blasted past Andrea like it was nothing. I guess some riders get more "equal" engines than others? Or is there another explanation? Btw, don't bother telling me its because Marc is small. That's ........ too.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
Been waiting for this to pop up, and personally I couldn't give a rats whether it is in Moto2 forum or here (Moto2 being a bit like WSBK, less visitors to the forum).
IMO, not dangerous but harsh move as Marquez could have easily left plenty of tarmac for Luthi but chose not to and pushed him to the ripple strip and whilst it is claimed that at Qatar the strips have 'mega grip', there was still no need to do it (IMO).
On that note, so what do those calling for the death penalty last year have to say about Luthi twice striking Marquez?
Both riders have received an 'official warning'
IMO, not dangerous but harsh move as Marquez could have easily left plenty of tarmac for Luthi but chose not to and pushed him to the ripple strip and whilst it is claimed that at Qatar the strips have 'mega grip', there was still no need to do it (IMO).
On that note, so what do those calling for the death penalty last year have to say about Luthi twice striking Marquez?
I love powerslide too, for the same reason
And on marquez thing. I stop rooting for him last year when i heard that only he gets new parts from the chasis manufacturer. I know he is not to blame for that, but i just can`t help it. and now the really hard pass on luthi. anyway, the double standard is obvious, and i can understand luthi`s reaction (slap on the forearm of marquez). News on that anybody?
Both riders have received an 'official warning'
Personally I dont see anything wrong with the slap on M[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]arquez [/font]forearm, he should have punched him since race direction did do a thing to punish him, these guys get away with such actions knowing there's no deterrence against it, the punishment must fit the crime, I would take a forearm slap and a moto 2 win anyway, who in there right mind wouldn't. Lets be honest the move from M[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]arquez was pure evil. [/font]
Yes, my feeling also was that gym work would make it worse.
You could be on to something with your other idea for the non-surgical management of arm pump. It might also mellow stoner out in general; if you were his personal trainer and had him on such a regimen he probably would just have offered randy de puniet a toke rather than punching him.
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Norah Head
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Your Mom's House
I asked two peeps, one who had associates in moto2 last year, another who has competed in the AMA. The first one feels that there is room for shinanigahs in the engine allocation process, the other thinks its probably better electronics that allows extracting and putting the power down. I dont know what to think, but im a cynic at heart. What ever it is, i can detect a visual difference.
Gaz, watch the incident again. Marc leans his bike into Luthis space and Luthi reacts, it almost looked like weaving to me. Then Marc goes into Luthis space and clearly puts Marc into curbing. Marc had not cleared him. Look at at how close the two front wheels were to eachother, then imagine ur thoughts going to Luthis lever. Just think if that was somebody u cared about on the losing end. Im sure ur take would be different. That was calculated to move Luthi out.
About the tap, neither Luthi (nor Stoner when he did it) should be sanctioned unless it was dangerous. In both cases race direction were asleep to the actual infraction. The only reason why race direction warned them was in response to Luthis action. That should disgust us both, not indifference to it if u consider other incidents that u wre more vested in. I suspect if that kind of move had been put on Stoner into curbing, his fans might see it different as i would if somebody did similar to Hayden. I like hard racing, but i just dont like stuff like that, its dirty unsportmanship and worse, dangerous.
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Norah Head
Jums, I don't disagree at all that MM swerved aggressively (my words) and I do not disagree that he placed Luthi onto the ripple strips deliberately as I firmly believe that he could easily have left tarmac room for Luthi if he had chosen.
What I do not deem as dangerous about the move is that he did not push Luthi into the dirt as he could well have done (whether that was good fortune or good management is open). Thus why I describe it as a harsh move, unsporting even but to me, the sheer fact that he did leave a level of hard surface for Luthi probably just removes 'dangerous' in my judgement (and specifically as they do not appear to touch).
Now, were I Luthi I would have been absolutely furious as from his point the move was unwarranted and downright 'dirty' given that up until that point Luthi had been riding clean (bet that changes) and as it cost Luthi valuable points with the off track excursion.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
its ....... racing not ball room dancing they need to change tampons and go do some push-ups ffs
what they need to do is let in ANY fac spec 600cc engine into the class
what they need to do is let in ANY fac spec 600cc engine into the class
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somewhere else
They are both racers. Luthi well knows that if ya stick on the outside that deep, ya gonna get hung out to dry. Same thing on every track or trail in the world, no matter who you are. Get used to it, learn from it, don't let it happen again. Simple.
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
The crime rate in Switzerland must be lower than Spain, cos if you leave the door open that much in Spain .........
Its racing ........... but folk just want to ..... about Marquez.
Its racing ........... but folk just want to ..... about Marquez.
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
its ....... racing not ball room dancing they need to change tampons and go do some push-ups ffs
what they need to do is let in ANY fac spec 600cc engine into the class
Crikey!!!! I'd better get some tablets!
I agree with you on two counts Curve!
But ......... as JB well knows, if they go to a free engine development in the 600's, it will become the premier class.
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Your Mom's House
I will copy and paste the same comment which i posted on this subject in the moto2 thead.
I found a few moves by Marquez a bit too aggressive, like the one on Iannone and hoped to see a revenge from Iannone, but while the one on Luthi looked more aggressive, i dont know if the riders have any right to put themselves at the mercy of their rivals in these kind of situations and then expect not to be pushed out. Luthi put himself on a line which was going to end, so he should have done something before that end point or to brake earlier. Though i dont have any problems with hard moves, after all they aren't riding for fun.
And i should add this:
Lothi had already lost the inside line and he should have known better what was going to happen. This is racing, and those who can't take the heat should stay out of the kitchen.
Do you want to see motogp becoming like F1 with Mad Max ("ze punishment")?
I found a few moves by Marquez a bit too aggressive, like the one on Iannone and hoped to see a revenge from Iannone, but while the one on Luthi looked more aggressive, i dont know if the riders have any right to put themselves at the mercy of their rivals in these kind of situations and then expect not to be pushed out. Luthi put himself on a line which was going to end, so he should have done something before that end point or to brake earlier. Though i dont have any problems with hard moves, after all they aren't riding for fun.
And i should add this:
Lothi had already lost the inside line and he should have known better what was going to happen. This is racing, and those who can't take the heat should stay out of the kitchen.
Do you want to see motogp becoming like F1 with Mad Max ("ze punishment")?
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Shovel's Club
I am a Luthi fan! He went and confronted that little spanish torpedo after the race(video on motogp.com). Swissy dont take no ....! Good on him.
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Norah Head
Well thats a shame cos Marquez sure gave him some ...., then went on to win the race!! And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you get many points for how much .... you don't take
