Marquez not a team mate blocker like rossi

michaelm · Oct 16, 2018

Keshav said:
As Michael M would say, I'm a Spies "tragic". He had massive talent, and while he did suffer some bad luck, I think much of it was self-inflicted as a result of having his mum as his manager, and importantly, hiring his old Superbike crew running his garage. What a waste. At least unlike Mladin, he gave it a shot.

Absolutely. I was a fan as well, and followed his WSBK title win avidly. He had more talent than many who have stayed in the premier class much longer imo.

povol · Oct 17, 2018

The Burning Barber said:
It's hard not to wonder what-if, especially after the 2017 tests which displayed results that Rea might have the potential to be competitive against the MotoGp field. (Jonathan Rea faster than MotoGP Riders at Jerez | MCNews.com.au)
How Rea would be able to get his head around a different animal that is Motogp machine is another thing though. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in seeing what he could do on Cal's bike at the Valencia test.

Qualifying tires are a wonderful thing, compare race lap times on tracks where they both race.

Hollywood · Oct 18, 2018

Marquez is the #1 rider at Honda, and thats not going to change anytime soon. I would expect JLo to struggle on the Honda, and unlike Ducati I dont expect Honda to go out of their way to do anything special for JLo.

evo9 · Oct 18, 2018

Hollywood said:
Marquez is the #1 rider at Honda, and thats not going to change anytime soon. I would expect JLo to struggle on the Honda, and unlike Ducati I dont expect Honda to go out of their way to do anything special for JLo.

I think you are wrong on that based on this

HRC technical manager Takeo Yokoyama said:
Turning to his own machine, the Japanese engineer explained Honda will be happy to make small design differences to help accommodate Lorenzo next season.

"We will not make a completely different bike. We will not make a bike to the 'right' for Marc and to the 'left' for Jorge. But slightly different is no problem for us," he said.

Yokoyama revealed that one of his main concerns in terms of making the Lorenzo-Honda partnership a success is the RCV's lack of stability.

"Maybe one of the things that I'm a little worried he would struggle with is the stability of the bike. I think you can see from TV that the Honda bike is many times shaking, dancing, jumping," he said.

"Probably, he's not the guy who likes to fight with the unstable bike and from our side I guess we need to make the bike a little more stable than we have now. But also from his side, maybe he needs to adapt to a little more unstable bike.

"If we can do this, and if he can do this, I think we will be successful.

But this bit is rather interesting to know.

HRC technical manager Takeo Yokoyama said:
Yokoyama also spoke about how exciting it is for HRC engineers to work with the relentless style of Marquez, famous for his extreme saves.

"When he's riding like that, on the limit, what we see on the telemetry - as engineers - we are addicted!" he said. "Some riders don't push to the limit when they don’t feel comfortable, but Marc will always show us the limit of the bike."

Read the rest here> https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/907633/1/honda-curious-hear-ducati-strengths-lorenzo

Roll on 2019

Keshav · Oct 18, 2018

evo9 said:
I think you are wrong on that based on this

But this bit is rather interesting to know.

Read the rest here> https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/907633/1/honda-curious-hear-ducati-strengths-lorenzo

Roll on 2019

I can't help feeling HRC are putting their eggs in one basket. If Marquez were to go to Ducati, it could be a long time before they won another championship.

Theo · Oct 18, 2018

Keshav said:
I can't help feeling HRC are putting their eggs in one basket. If Marquez were to go to Ducati, it could be a long time before they won another championship.

I don't know, but I think that maybe they could be looking at it from the angle of, who are the 3 most successful riders of the last 10 years, Lorenzo qualifies on that score, so they want to find if he's a flop on it, because if he is then it means they have got a major problem in finding another MM when they need one. In all 3 groups there is no other rider comparable to Marc.

imunderandoverit · Oct 18, 2018

evo9 said:
I think the Ducati has been a good prepping ground for him. He should be able to employ his sweeping style in the RCV. I think Lorenzo will be Dani V2.0

A better Dani, who will win the title aswell.

Keshav · Oct 18, 2018

Theo said:
I don't know, but I think that maybe they could be looking at it from the angle of, who are the 3 most successful riders of the last 10 years, Lorenzo qualifies on that score, so they want to find if he's a flop on it, because if he is then it means they have got a major problem in finding another MM when they need one. In all 3 groups there is no other rider comparable to Marc.

When you look at their results in the years since Rossi left, they had one underwhelming championship with Nicky, and those following ones were won by Stoner and Marquez, both of them freaks of nature, you have to think, they know where there weaknesses are, and it's not the engine.

povol · Oct 18, 2018

evo9 said:
I think you are wrong on that based on this

But this bit is rather interesting to know.

Read the rest here> https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/907633/1/honda-curious-hear-ducati-strengths-lorenzo

Roll on 2019

I’m seeing that in a totally different light than you. That looks like a warning that says, we have a fast bike but it’s squirrelly as hell. We will help you where we can , but we won’t be building a different bike than the one Marc rides.

Hollywood · Oct 18, 2018

its one thing to make little adjustments... Ducati changed just about everything for Lorenzo including the frame. if he wants to win on the Honda then he will have to learn to ride like Marc, and I just do not see that happening.

Barbedwirebikerr · Oct 18, 2018

Hollywood said:
its one thing to make little adjustments... Ducati changed just about everything for Lorenzo including the frame. if he wants to win on the Honda then he will have to learn to ride like Marc, and I just do not see that happening.

It could be as simple as lengthening the swingarm to give JLo some more stability.

I think Lorenzo is going to make the Honda work, and will have a much better chance now after his Ducati excursion I think.

If he jumped straight from Yamaha to HRC, it would likely be much tha same as the previous two years.

Keshav · Oct 18, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
It could be as simple as lengthening the swingarm to give JLo some more stability.

I think Lorenzo is going to make the Honda work, and will have a much better chance now after his Ducati excursion I think.

If he jumped straight from Yamaha to HRC, it would likely be much tha same as the previous two years.

Can't connect the dots re: how his time on the much more stabile Ducati will be beneficial to his adapting to the bucking bronco HRC.

povol · Oct 18, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
It could be as simple as lengthening the swingarm to give JLo some more stability.

I think Lorenzo is going to make the Honda work, and will have a much better chance now after his Ducati excursion I think.

If he jumped straight from Yamaha to HRC, it would likely be much tha same as the previous two years.

I don’t think there is any doubt the Duc is closer to Honda n it’s characteristics than the Yamaha but it’s going to take another leap of faith to ride a bike in a controlled crash in corner entry when you are used to bikes that for the last 10 years where very stable on corner entry. If lenghthening the swingarm to get stability without affecting its performance was the answer, I’m sure that would have happened a long time ago.

evo9 · Oct 18, 2018

Keshav said:
Can't connect the dots re: how his time on the much more stabile Ducati will be beneficial to his adapting to the bucking bronco HRC.

Did you read where Jorge said you have to steer the Ducati like a boat? He left a bike that steer to one that does not and learn. He is now going to a bike that steers but a bit unstable. As mention already, a long swing arm may help adjust quicker on the RCV.

evo9 · Oct 18, 2018

povol said:
I don’t think there is any doubt the Duc is closer to Honda n it’s characteristics than the Yamaha but it’s going to take another leap of faith to ride a bike in a controlled crash in corner entry when you are used to bikes that for the last 10 years where very stable on corner entry. If lenghthening the swingarm to get stability without affecting its performance was the answer, I’m sure that would have happened a long time ago.

If Dani was able to do. I cant see Jorge not being able to

Barbedwirebikerr · Oct 18, 2018

Keshav said:
Can't connect the dots re: how his time on the much more stabile Ducati will be beneficial to his adapting to the bucking bronco HRC.

My point is that his experience with Ducati has furthered his skills as a rider. He has been challenged with his style and technique and made to really think about all aspects of his riding and adapted to the nuances of the red steed.

The Ducati forced Lorenzo to evolve.

This is to his benefit.

Keshav · Oct 18, 2018

evo9 said:
Did you read where Jorge said you have to steer the Ducati like a boat? He left a bike that steer to one that does not and learn. He is now going to a bike that steers but a bit unstable. As mention already, a long swing arm may help adjust quicker on the RCV.

"A bit unstabile"? That seems a huge understatement. Fixing instability with a longer swingarm, is AMA Superbike territory. These are MotoGp bikes and issues this important are never fixed that easily, or that cheaply. Remember how many different swingarms Ducati tried on Stoner?

Keshav · Oct 18, 2018

Barbedwirebikerr said:
My point is that his experience with Ducati has furthered his skills as a rider. He has been challenged with his style and technique and made to really think about all aspects of his riding and adapted to the nuances of the red steed.

The Ducati forced Lorenzo to evolve.

This is to his benefit.

I get that, but three such diversely different bikes in such a short period is a big ask. That Lorenzo could do as well as he did over the course of the last two seasons was impressive. I'd love to see him do well, but this is gong to be one hell of a learning curve.

JPSLotus · Oct 18, 2018

What may do Lorenzo in is how unstable the RCV is. MM makes it look like a great bike, but that's down to his talent in that he can make an unstable bike look good. Imagine what he would do if Honda had a stable bike?

povol · Oct 18, 2018

evo9 said:
If Dani was able to do. I cant see Jorge not being able to

Dani was able to do what? It could be argued that Dani never did come to grips with the RCV. Certainly never enough to even be an annoyance to Marquez, much less a threat.

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