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Marquez loses competitive streak

moto vudu said:
Being quick requires a lot more than balls. There are many current Isle of Mann racers that suck at circuit racing. Their huge balls must be a hindrance when it comes to pushing a bike to the absolute limit around a circuit. Road racers balance speed with living to see another day. They're usually not pushing their bikes to the limit that top circuit racers do routinely. Different disciplines within the sport of motorcycle racing.
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They are pushing the bikes to the limit, they're just very different bikes to what you use in a circuit race, for example John McGuinness's TT winning Fireblade is a lot different to the one Sylvain Guintoli races in WSBK as it's built specifically to be raced around the Isle of Man.

This highlights the difference between a winning circuit bike and a winning road race bike - BMW Showdown: Kiyonari v. M Dunlop - we ride them both! | Bike Social
 
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Bwehh, let the Rossi fans say whatever they want. JLo is the 2015 winner and nothing they say will ever change that.
 
AntG said:
Of course it's a flawed comparison, just like if you transported a rider from the '60's to now and gave him an M1 with it's GPS guided traction control and fly-by-wire throttle, he's probably going to stand there shocked and wondering where he even begins.

I'm mocking the "greatest of all time" nonsense spouted by absolute muppets as it's a complete mythical status which can never be accurately judged. Being a success in Grand Prix Motorcycle Racing is generally more down to being in the right place at the right time rather than talent because every rider on that grid has talent in abundance and in each generation there is literally only a handful of bikes capable of winning races let alone championships. Rossi has 9 world championships because he had great machinery which allowed his talent to shine, the second he got on a bike that didn't do what he wanted to he was made to look rather second rate even though we all know he was/is a very talented motorcycle racer.
With Aprilia, Honda and Yamaha he was definitely in the right place at the right time, Ducati was the wrong place wrong time, that's not to say Eugene Laverty would be winning championships or even races if he was on a factory M1 but he'd have a much better chance and he sure as .... wouldn't be sitting in 22nd place in the championship with 9 points to his name.
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You're talking absolute drivel where Rossi is concerned.... He went to Yamaha because everyone was saying he had the best bike with Honda and it's easy... So he joined Yamaha who were useless at the time and gave them a winning bike through endless hard work and dedication..... The main thing was the Yamaha engineers listened to everything he wanted from them and they delivered it! Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side so Rossi jumped a sinking ship...!

What it does show is that Casey Stoner probably is the most talented rider in History to win a world title with that bike! Just a shame he didn't have the other attributes to be a World Champ over and over.......
 
Harryjones05 said:
You're talking absolute drivel where Rossi is concerned.... He went to Yamaha because everyone was saying he had the best bike with Honda and it's easy... So he joined Yamaha who were useless at the time and gave them a winning bike through endless hard work and dedication..... The main thing was the Yamaha engineers listened to everything he wanted from them and they delivered it! Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side so Rossi jumped a sinking ship...!

What it does show is that Casey Stoner probably is the most talented rider in History to win a world title with that bike! Just a shame he didn't have the other attributes to be a World Champ over and over.......
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Yamaha already knew they'd made a mistake with the M1 in 2002 so for 2003 they had several riders, one of which was Alex Barros, Barros who had won on an RC211V the previous season demanded a different engine set up that gave him more power, more torque and a wider powerband, which they did, eventually the following January when Rossi came along, Masao Furusawa the bikes designer gave Rossi several M1's to test with Rossi saying the best one being Barros' previous machine so that's what they worked from, combining Rossi's talent and Burgess ability to set up a bike it went on to win the title.
 
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Harryjones05 said:
You're talking absolute drivel where Rossi is concerned.... He went to Yamaha because everyone was saying he had the best bike with Honda and it's easy... So he joined Yamaha who were useless at the time and gave them a winning bike through endless hard work and dedication..... The main thing was the Yamaha engineers listened to everything he wanted from them and they delivered it! Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side so Rossi jumped a sinking ship...!

What it does show is that Casey Stoner probably is the most talented rider in History to win a world title with that bike! Just a shame he didn't have the other attributes to be a World Champ over and over.......
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Not true.

Certainly the philosophical primacy at Honda of machine over rider irked him, but the main motivation to leave was a dispute over image rights which would have cost him millions. In accepting the ride with Yamaha he also had to compromise his previous pledges never to ride for a tobacco sponsor accepting the Altadis deal in the process.

Sorry to post this again, but this is yet another myth in the constructed hagiography of 'The Doctored' that I find quite irritating. Ichiro Yoda was given carte blanch and a gazillion yen to develop four possible new engines in accordance with Rossi's preferences and the new M1 was born following considerable input form Alex Barros the season before. No previous incumbents had been afforded such concessions. As I suggested recently, I doubt whether that bike that emerged had so much as a fairing clip or a footpeg in common with the animal that mauled Melandri, Barros, Checa and Biaggi. The original screamer version was a career wrecker and an impossibility to ride competitively in comparison to the RCV211v which by Rossi's own admission, was a race winner out of the crate - a fact supported by Barros who won his first race on the thing at Motegi and later beat Rossi at Valencia that year. (Jeez, Brent and Alex used to alter the settings on the thing in 2002 just for something to do). The first iteration of the M1 was developed by 'Lil John for ....'s sake - that didn't bode well from the moment that the crank first turned in anger on a grid at Suzuka 2002. It sounded evil on the overrun though. I do concede that come the first race at Welkom in 2004, the bike was not up to speed and gave much away to the RCV. That maiden win against Biaggi was one of my favourite Rossi races of all time.

"Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side"

Absolute utter garbage. Give it up now - or do you really want to see where that one goes?

Regarding the switch to Yamaha, why don't you re-visit the ghost-written 'What if I'd never tried it?' As a Rossi acolyte I should imagine it's like scripture, but I'm willing to wager that it's substantially more interesting than this...

Harryjones05 said:
..... if you all need to know my life story .
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No, really we don't, but oddly that doesn't seem to deter you.
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
Not true.

Certainly the philosophical primacy at Honda of machine over rider irked him, but the main motivation to leave was a dispute over image rights which would have cost him millions. In accepting the ride with Yamaha he also had to compromise his previous pledges never to ride for a tobacco sponsor accepting the Altadis deal in the process.

Sorry to post this again, but this is yet another myth in the constructed hagiography of 'The Doctored' that I find quite irritating. Ichiro Yoda was given carte blanch and a gazillion yen to develop four possible new engines in accordance with Rossi's preferences and the new M1 was born following considerable input form Alex Barros the season before. No previous incumbents had been afforded such concessions. As I suggested recently, I doubt whether that bike that emerged had so much as a fairing clip or a footpeg in common with the animal that mauled Melandri, Barros, Checa and Biaggi. The original screamer version was a career wrecker and an impossibility to ride competitively in comparison to the RCV211v which by Rossi's own admission, was a race winner out of the crate - a fact supported by Barros who won his first race on the thing at Motegi and later beat Rossi at Valencia that year. (Jeez, Brent and Alex used to alter the settings on the thing in 2002 just for something to do). The first iteration of the M1 was developed by 'Lil John for ....'s sake - that didn't bode well from the moment that the crank first turned in anger on a grid at Suzuka 2002. It sounded evil on the overrun though. I do concede that come the first race at Welkom in 2004, the bike was not up to speed and gave much away to the RCV. That maiden win against Biaggi was one of my favourite Rossi races of all time.

"Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side"

Absolute utter garbage. Give it up now - or do you really want to see where that one goes?

Regarding the switch to Yamaha, why don't you re-visit the ghost-written 'What if I'd never tried it?' As a Rossi acolyte I should imagine it's like scripture, but I'm willing to wager that it's substantially more interesting than this...



No, really we don't, but oddly that doesn't seem to deter you.
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Barros bla bla bla, who got the bike winning from nothing?! End of convo, heard all this .... before, and Ducati won't listen to their riders, fact...
 
Harryjones05 said:
Ok do you know who Alessandro Accordino is?!
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No I must confess that I don't - '!?'

However, were I to B.JC (Google it), I will doubtless discover that he is an employee or affiliate of Ducati who you would then claim to host dinner parties for, together with Claudio Domenicali, Tito Rabat and Sir. Norman Foster in the Neo-Palladian Dimora that you designed yourself carved into a verdant Emilia-Romagna hillside.

You can then make further outlandish and unsubstantiated anonymous claims via more internet braggadocio and reinforce them with the word 'FACT' at the end, followed by a hail of exclamation marks.

Harryjones05 said:
I might have been open to share my insights with you but as it happens I just hope you go .... yourselves....
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- Yet you're so full of it and desperate for attention, you can't help yourself can you? You keep coming back.

Harryjones05 said:
if you all need to know my life story ..
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Not really, that's one for the film thread and we've seen it before thanks -

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Off you go, why waste time on here when you have such a 'privileged life' to lead?
 
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Do you go through the dictionary trying to use posh words instead of simple ones?! And you didn't know who he is which is exactly what I expected, hence the whitty full of .... response you gave, that's all I needed to know. You can keep reading internet garbage from people who make a living reporting garbage that they here on the grapevine..... I'm glad you get pleasure out of it.
 
Harryjones05 said:
Do you go through the dictionary trying to use posh words instead of simple ones?! And you didn't know who he is which is exactly what I expected, hence the whitty full of .... response you gave, that's all I needed to know. You can keep reading internet garbage from people who make a living reporting garbage that they here on the grapevine..... I'm glad you get pleasure out of it.
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#22 said:
Well, to be fair your very first post throwed many assumptions about Marquez as FACT, such as this:



You acted as if your opinion was fact and 100% correct, then became rude and defensive when your opinion was challenged. I actually only called you an ......., not what you say. and that was justified because as a supposed fan of the 'sport', you, and I quote, wished harm on Marc Marquez



So again instead of countering arguments like a gentleman, you type posts full of the C word and then tell us to go .... ourselves.

I'll be sure to tell my friends in the paddock to beware of someone who can get paddock passes anytime he wants wishing harm upon Marc Marquez :)
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He posted in the DeAngelis thread he wished it was Marquez sitting in a hospital fighting for his life instead.
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
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"Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side"

Absolute utter garbage. Give it up now - or do you really want to see where that one goes?
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Tell that to J4rn0.
 
Keshav said:
You one of those Abbo-wannabees?
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Nah mate, I work with them and amongst them

No aboriginal in me at all but have many friends and some family members (sister in law) who are of aboriginal descent
 
Harryjones05 said:
Ducati had a useless bike and weren't one bit interested in meeting the demands of the rider, not willing to change anything on the engineering side so Rossi jumped a sinking ship...!
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Ducati did everything possible for the Rossi/Burgess team ........... to say that they were not willing to change is a fallacy

They changed more in the first 3 - 6 months of Rossi than they had in the previous 4 years, despite many and numerous requests from their riders

Rossi jumped ship because he got given a better offer ........... remember the 'Valentino will be on a competitive bike next year' comment?
 

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