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I think we're getting to the end of the road with him.
I figured the way he landed was going to cause another episode with his vision.
Even if it heals up, he's still going to crash in the future which puts him back at risk.
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Yeah. I’m thinking as hard as it would be to walk away Stoner style, he needs to be heroic on his own behalf and to let it be. He’s so young and can still have a family and run a team or a school or any number of things that can make for a satisfying life. He’s already a legend.
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That's the conundrum I have with him. He's so spectacular to watch as a rider, and when he is on, it's like watching magic. But it's coming at too high of a price for my liking now. I don't want to see anyone injured, crippled, or god forbid killed on a GP bike for my entertainment.
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that's the difficult part. Reminds me of the fight game... We wanna see them get in, get rich, get out.
Maybe I need him to get some poor Indonesian kid easy access parking again before I can stop worrying about him.
Deffo my favorite rider (sans Jonathan the beautiful Rea) .
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With you on that.
But I'm one of those who believes there is too much control over the tires and ECU. I see this is a contributor to excessive crashes. The michelins were junk before they left and still junk when they came back. If michelin cant make a good all around tire. The manufactures should be able to use their own ECU to make the bike work around the junk tires. Since Bridgestone is capable of making a good all a round tire then enforce the spec ECU. Safety first over close racing as far as I'm concern. There should be choices between tires and ECU to maximize safety. This is prototype racing not production.
I hope Marc gets well soon and make the right decision for himself
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Great points. I agree they have indeed prioritised close racing over safety, we are back to massive high sides which had almost disappeared.
I really don't like the current tire lottery for multiple reasons, but safety should be the top priority as you say. The justification of saving money doesn't hold water either; while it may be cheaper for Dorna, the bikes now have to be designed around tires of variable and often substandard quality. Michelin tires have been dodgy for years as you say, they relied on the SNS tires even when the tire war was on and were exposed when such tires were banned.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but yes I agree a control ECU and shoddy control Michelin tires are a bad combination, and Bridgestone did seem to provide better all round tires, although I think they were the provider when the 2013 tire fiasco occurred at PI.
I don't think he's done. It's very heavy for his mental side right now but he'll be back. Let's recall he didn't stop a full year coz of double vision but his humerus. So he came back trying to find again his old Marc. Now, this is another story. He'll get over it and will format himself for his new reality and still will fight for titles (and I think he'll win some more).
No way he'll stop. Also, if I'm not wrong, he never had any surgery on his eye nerve, simply he left the nerve to heal by itself. He can still have a surgery and make things better.
No way he'll stop. Also, if I'm not wrong, he never had any surgery on his eye nerve, simply he left the nerve to heal by itself. He can still have a surgery and make things better.
Unfortunately I think he did have eye muscle surgery for the first episode when he was in moto 2. The most recent episode after the dirt bike fall from all reports resolved without surgery.
(EDIT They are saying the problem is less severe than last time so some hope I guess).
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There are, statistically, far FEWER crashes now than anytime in world championship/ motogp history.
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I'm not so sure this is a good thing.
In retrospect I kind of liked how these machines were spiteful beasts on which you couldnt put teenagers.
+ you could save shmeoke money @track.
I'd even argue that the safer the riding gets, the more violent the eventual TC fail highside is.
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Was Honda the one spending out of control back in the day? The one that the racing caps had to be put on?
Then Dorna have succeeded in de-fanging them...MM has been dancing with the devil for so long and now Honda bring in a new partner.
Then Dorna have succeeded in de-fanging them...MM has been dancing with the devil for so long and now Honda bring in a new partner.
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Brings up an interesting idea. If there were a ruling that all manufacturers had to offer identical compensation packages, then the riders would seek to ride on the best bike. Of course they already do, but can’t help but think MM would have gone to Ducati a long time ago, but for the perceived status/cache derived from riding for HRC. And, if they only ever had one year contracts, it would further motivate the manufacturers to discard technology that doesn’t work and try harder to make meaningful improvements.
If Marquez had left HRC for Ducati 5 years ago, he’d likely already have that 10th championship.
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Then again, if he had joined then, he may have pushed out someone instrumental in the new Duke design...or more likely just killed himself outright on it.
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Here's a random thought. Dorna should let the European brands run Michelin tires and Magneti Marella ECU. While the Japanese run Bridgestone tires and a Japanese ECU. That should make for an interesting series. I think this would allow better regional product development.
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I think he was intimating Michelin tyres and a Magneti Marelli ECU would be less than successful in a direct comparison with Bridgestone and a Japanese ECU
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