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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
 
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Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

So why then does he support more testing as shown in this article? https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/892633/1/motogp-riders-back-more-antidoping-controls

Personally I'm all for it but I don't get their its harder to test them whe its easy after every race each rider has blood and urine tests
 
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...he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.

Somehow I doubt you are a Rossi fan simultaneously didn’t love his full contact drama, given that, his career is exemplified by the tactic. The gist of the social media sphere seems to be a parroting of Rossi’s recent sentiment, but certainly not his sentiment over the decades, aggressive racing is bad, dangerous, and unacceptable....only now that he's (and his fans) had a taste of his own medicine.



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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.

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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.
Seriously??? 11 posts in 6 years and you come up with that??now we know,Marquez has no talent and he's on steroids...go back to sleep.
 
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I know that will never happen given the heavy "Spanish" influence in MotoGP ... which is fine, if you can't win with talent rely on help from FIM/Dorna. Isn't new "news" that MotoGP is looking for another "Legend" and they want it to be Spanish rather than Italian ... I don't think anyone is surprised at the "favors" Marquez gets starting from being allowed in MotoGP factory team as a rookie to today's lack of discipline on Marquez ... FIM/DORNA want a Spaniard holding all the "records" not an Italian.

I think the most frustrating part about the Argentina MotoGP race was not so much the "single" incident with Rossi, but the Multiple stupid incidents by several riders from Zarco to Marquez. Marquez had 4 rules violations including riding reverse direction on grid (in most professional racing sports that's an instant DQ), Zarco 2 rules violations ... etc. Going back to last year Rossi got a point on his license for "blocking" Lorenzo during qualification which was completely bogus but became relevant after Sepang when Rossi had 3 points (2 after the Marquez incident) so FIM told him to start from the back ending any possible fight for the championship. I think it's a ridiculous level of inconsistency that's being applied ... it feels more like a case of "who the stewards like and don't like" rather than the implementation of rules as written in the governing documents.

It doesn't take talent to use one's corner entry inertia and the "other" rider as the inertia damper ... any rider can do that and has done that in the past ... all of them from Rossi to Marquez to Cal to you name it. It happens, so either enforce the rules or don't, because if a rider knows he can get away with it, he'll continue to do it.

I personally would rather see clean passing as that really establishes a much higher level of talent, contact racing maybe interesting to some, but it has no interest for me as a fan or as a real racer. A "faster" rider/bike combo will be able to pass without contact ... it's when the talent runs out we get the drama. If I wanted "Drama TV" I would watch something else ... perhaps FIM/Dorna are confused and think "drama = excitement"? Well it doesn't.

Being a native Brit that has now been "Americanized", I'm very happy for Cal and I hope he gets the Factory Honda MotoGP ride next year ... probably replace Pedrosa who I like but baffles me why he's still with Honda factory ride ... back to the "Spanish" aspect again I guess.

Irony is that I "was" a Marquez fan, he was going to be my replacement Rossi ... but when Marquez started to show signs of obvious talent problems (one year he crashed out more than he finished races), then involved himself in the drama with Rossi (twice now), and progressively shows no respect for anyone, I just can't find myself liking Marquez, he doesn't represent that which is good in life, he represents that which is bad in life. Add to the fact Marquez is now under suspicion of doping (aka some form of Steroids which might explain the excessive aggression as a common side affect of Steroids).

Each year I keep hoping Marquez will mature, and every year he just repeats his old bad habits, he's never going to be a Rossi replacement for me. I come to MotoGP to watch racing and talent and excitement, not full contact drama demolition derby style (maybe that's what works for others, but not me) ... if I want to see that I'll watch NASCAR. But I consider MotoGP a step above that type of racing ... am I wrong?

Cheers, Rob.

You guys would follow Rossi off a cliff like lemmings, or in a re-enactment of the Jonestown massacre.
 
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Can't win on talent?

Well that's just it, he can win on talent ... no different than other rider(s) that can win on talent. Right bike, right setup, right body weight/height, they all have the talent to win. But when Marquez has a bad talent day, it becomes everyone else's problem rather than just HIS problem.

Jumkie,

Thanks for the pictures, great example of just how different Rossi's approach to passing vs. Marquez approach to passing ... although I assume you thought they would cast a bad light, they don't and they're all from different years and not 4 blatant violations in one race like Marquez. Heck the Rossi Laguna pass was off track to avoid contact (I was actually at that Race).

Theo,

That article about doping shows Cal as the one requesting more testing, everyone else just agreed and Rossi was the only to point out ability to circumvent testing (Lance Armstrong for example) so he doesn't know how effective it would be. Not a single rider openly suggested they were against testing for steroids, as expected ... anyone that says NO would immediately be a suspect.

Like Rossi suggested, I hope MotoGP doesn't evolve into a Demolition Derby ... I've got NASCAR for that. Any rider can dive bomb into a corner on the inside and take out the other rider and stay upright ... that's not talent ... I hope Rossi and other's step above that don't reciprocate against Marquez. If Marquez wants respect, he'll need to figure out how to pass without crashing others out ... but who knows, maybe he doesn't want respect?

Cheers, Rob.
 
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Well that's just it, he can win on talent ... no different than other rider(s) that can win on talent. Right bike, right setup, right body weight/height, they all have the talent to win. But when Marquez has a bad talent day, it becomes everyone else's problem rather than just HIS problem.

Jumkie,

Thanks for the pictures, great example of just how different Rossi's approach to passing vs. Marquez approach to passing ... although I assume you thought they would cast a bad light, they don't and they're all from different years and not 4 blatant violations in one race like Marquez. Heck the Rossi Laguna pass was off track to avoid contact (I was actually at that Race).

Theo,

That article about doping shows Cal as the one requesting more testing, everyone else just agreed and Rossi was the only to point out ability to circumvent testing (Lance Armstrong for example) so he doesn't know how effective it would be. Not a single rider openly suggested they were against testing for steroids, as expected ... anyone that says NO would immediately be a suspect.

Like Rossi suggested, I hope MotoGP doesn't evolve into a Demolition Derby ... I've got NASCAR for that. Any rider can dive bomb into a corner on the inside and take out the other rider and stay upright ... that's not talent ... I hope Rossi and other's step above that don't reciprocate against Marquez. If Marquez wants respect, he'll need to figure out how to pass without crashing others out ... but who knows, maybe he doesn't want respect?

Cheers, Rob.

The Laguna Seca 2008 corkscrew thing was basically a lose, he was desperate to come out of the Corkscrew ahead and attempted to take the corner at an unfeasible speed. He would have torpedoed Stoner at right angles at quite high speed had Stoner who was negotiating the corner normally on the racing line not rapidly debarked to the other side of the track. That there was no collision was entirely outside Rossi’s control and along with other incidents in that race explains why Stoner was a little peeved when told “this is racing” post race, rather at variance with Rossi’s current stance vis a vis Marquez.

RD’s rulings since, including in regard to the later re-creation of the LS08 incident with MM the other party, indicate maintaining position by leaving the track is not allowed anyway, not that they are at all consistent of course.
 
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Well that's just it, he can win on talent ... no different than other rider(s) that can win on talent. Right bike, right setup, right body weight/height, they all have the talent to win. But when Marquez has a bad talent day, it becomes everyone else's problem rather than just HIS problem.

Jumkie,

Thanks for the pictures, great example of just how different Rossi's approach to passing vs. Marquez approach to passing ... although I assume you thought they would cast a bad light, they don't and they're all from different years and not 4 blatant violations in one race like Marquez. Heck the Rossi Laguna pass was off track to avoid contact (I was actually at that Race).

Theo,

That article about doping shows Cal as the one requesting more testing, everyone else just agreed and Rossi was the only to point out ability to circumvent testing (Lance Armstrong for example) so he doesn't know how effective it would be. Not a single rider openly suggested they were against testing for steroids, as expected ... anyone that says NO would immediately be a suspect.

Like Rossi suggested, I hope MotoGP doesn't evolve into a Demolition Derby ... I've got NASCAR for that. Any rider can dive bomb into a corner on the inside and take out the other rider and stay upright ... that's not talent ... I hope Rossi and other's step above that don't reciprocate against Marquez. If Marquez wants respect, he'll need to figure out how to pass without crashing others out ... but who knows, maybe he doesn't want respect?

Cheers, Rob.
"Like Rossi suggested,i hope MotoGP doesn't evolve into a demolition derby",are you for real mate?,your hero has been doing that for years,look at the pictures again,especially the Gibernau one as that was one of the most blatant punts i've ever seen,through your yellow tinted specs it must have been a clean passing manoeuvre from your golden god, you people just don't get it,if anyone deserves to be pushed off track it's the master of pushing rider's off track himself,and he's got the bloody nerve to bleat about it to all his Knobhead worshippers,and now he's scared?,well .... off out of the sport then you yellow prick.
 
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Well that's just it, he can win on talent ... no different than other rider(s) that can win on talent. Right bike, right setup, right body weight/height, they all have the talent to win. But when Marquez has a bad talent day, it becomes everyone else's problem rather than just HIS problem.

Jumkie,

Thanks for the pictures, great example of just how different Rossi's approach to passing vs. Marquez approach to passing ... although I assume you thought they would cast a bad light, they don't and they're all from different years and not 4 blatant violations in one race like Marquez. Heck the Rossi Laguna pass was off track to avoid contact (I was actually at that Race).

Theo,

That article about doping shows Cal as the one requesting more testing, everyone else just agreed and Rossi was the only to point out ability to circumvent testing (Lance Armstrong for example) so he doesn't know how effective it would be. Not a single rider openly suggested they were against testing for steroids, as expected ... anyone that says NO would immediately be a suspect.

Like Rossi suggested, I hope MotoGP doesn't evolve into a Demolition Derby ... I've got NASCAR for that. Any rider can dive bomb into a corner on the inside and take out the other rider and stay upright ... that's not talent ... I hope Rossi and other's step above that don't reciprocate against Marquez. If Marquez wants respect, he'll need to figure out how to pass without crashing others out ... but who knows, maybe he doesn't want respect?

Cheers, Rob.

This whole aggregate violations argument is bogus. If someone murders four people over the course of 10 years or 10 minutes... well it's a meaningless distinction.
 
Does an actual directive come around for you boppers?

You know a general issue message saying make up as much ........ as you can.

You guys are aware that its probably better to be coordinted and not contradict each others, or even your own, .........
 
.... But when Marquez has a bad talent day, it becomes everyone else's problem rather than just HIS problem.

Jumkie,

Thanks for the pictures, great example of just how different Rossi's approach to passing vs. Marquez approach to passing ... although I assume you thought they would cast a bad light, they don't and they're all from different years and not 4 blatant violations in one race like Marquez. Heck the Rossi Laguna pass was off track to avoid contact (I was actually at that Race).


... If Marquez wants respect, he'll need to figure out how to pass without crashing others out ... but who knows, maybe he doesn't want respect?

Cheers, Rob.

Rob, looks to me like "Rossi was having the bad talent day." He was riding tentatively slow, taking wider lines to avoid lean angles that he was uncomfortable with which resulted in leaving the door wide open.

Marc took that space, he secured the space, it was unrecoverable space at that point, but Rossi insisted in trying to take it back. The incident was a result of two riders contesting the same space, however Marc had already gained the advantage, Rossi was reckless in trying to recover it because it was predictable what would happen. When have we seen a rider on the outside recover a space that has been already lost to the inside rider? Not never.



Marc didn’t attempt this pass with intentions to deliberately eliminate Rossi. Marc was clearly and obviously contesting positions to advance, given he is a championship contender, unlike Rossi to be honest. You say Marc is disrespectful because you're basing your opinion on this incident through the lens of a Rossi fan, but imagine these two riders being other people, and look at the incident carefully. Rider A leaves door wide open, faster Rider B takes the space. Rider A tries to recover space that was lost. Both riders touch. Predictably the outside rider goes wide from the contact. This happens routinely! There is no disrespect intended, rather it's what we used to call "racing" before it was made into a perversion by demanding an etiquette that Rossi be exempt from such maneuver done to him, yet free to do to others.

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Rob, I can live until the end of my days without feeling the need for a replacement Rossi. One was enough.

I'd rather have clean racing too, but the modern era and officiating have given your boy undeserved rewards for crashing into other people and pushing them off the track. No surprise that the "young uns" follow suit, since vr has been getting away with it for.....what year was the Sete punt? A long time ago. I remember that as the first egregious one. Hard to keep track though.
 
Jumkie, if you want to call that piece of track Marquez's you're effectively changing the rules of the sport. As they stand the rider in front has the line and choice of line, it's up to the rider behind to pass safely which didn't happen.
 
Jumkie, if you want to call that piece of track Marquez's you're effectively changing the rules of the sport. As they stand the rider in front has the line and choice of line, it's up to the rider behind to pass safely which didn't happen.

I get that, however there is also a thing called protecting your inside. If you leave the inside of a corner(starting before the braking point) open then a rider has the right to take that space. When the rider behind has taken your inside space the rider on the outside has just as much responsibility to not run into him. Its something only I've only seen JLo do in the past, and he did it often. I've seen JLo take wider lines into corner only to run into a rider making a pass. Then he cries foul. Thats ......... We are changing the rules by not seeing it correctly. What jlo discredited is the block pass. If a rider leaves his inside open going into a corner the rider following has every right to fill the void left by the rider he is passing. If the rider on the inside gets to a space first and the outside riders hits him it's not the passing rider fault. As long as he is in control and doesn't crash or run wide, and in this case Marc did neither. If a racer hears a bike behind him leaves the door open, its his fault if his line get taken. What we witnessed was one of two things, a racing incident or Rossi deliberately running into Marc and then taking the JLo approach by crying foul. How often do we see riders do this? How often does a rider get passed on the inside? How can this be the one time Rossi wasn't aware of his surroundings? I'm not saying it was intentional but those are the only 2 options. Rossi turn into a spot he knew was occupied or racing incident. But Marc was in control and running seconds a lap faster. He is not at fault. It was a good pass but the rider being passed didnt handle the situation well.
 
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