<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Mar 19 2010, 05:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Despite Rossi setting the fastest lap, apparently he did 2 laps in the 55s to Stoners 4 laps. Stoner did all the fast laps on old tyres. Does anybody know the status of rossi,s fast lap tyres?
Spies 3rd and Edwards 4th fastest , confirms that Yamaha is THE PACKAGE at the moment.
Spies is obviously a real talent, but I would be curious to see what times he would post on the Honda or Ducati.
. How fast would Stoner be on the Yamaha right now.?........we will never know, but only conjecture.
Spies will do well this year,...........but victories??????????? Really unlikely unless a meteor happens to hit Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo simultaneously
Jumkie, surprised that such a usually calm commentator, can get that overwhwelmed by the Spies hype. Looks like you,ve been suckered by a curve-ball.
I reckon 5th, and that will be amazingly good.
What a load of crap asusaul from you with lots of ifs and buts, does it really matter if Rossi did only 2 laps into 55s or you just looking for excuses.
Spies 3rd and Edwards 4th fastest , confirms that Yamaha is THE PACKAGE at the moment.
Spies is obviously a real talent, but I would be curious to see what times he would post on the Honda or Ducati.
Spies will do well this year,...........but victories??????????? Really unlikely unless a meteor happens to hit Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo simultaneously
Jumkie, surprised that such a usually calm commentator, can get that overwhwelmed by the Spies hype. Looks like you,ve been suckered by a curve-ball.
I reckon 5th, and that will be amazingly good.
What a load of crap asusaul from you with lots of ifs and buts, does it really matter if Rossi did only 2 laps into 55s or you just looking for excuses.
No ifs or buts, but a more detailed analysis.
Read Kropotkins pre-race reports and more emphasis is usually placed on consistent fast laps than one-off fast laps as a guide to true race pace.
Don,t citicise the things that you dont understand, for the times are a changin' (Apologies to Dylan)
Read Kropotkins pre-race reports and more emphasis is usually placed on consistent fast laps than one-off fast laps as a guide to true race pace.
Don,t citicise the things that you dont understand, for the times are a changin' (Apologies to Dylan)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Mar 19 2010, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No ifs or buts, but a more detailed analysis.
Read Kropotkins pre-race reports and more emphasis is usually placed on consistent fast laps than one-off fast laps as a guide to true race pace.
Don,t citicise the things that you dont understand, for the times are a changin' (Apologies to Dylan)
I think its you with limited knowledge here buddy, if you have been following Rossi career so far you should know better that he can only go fast on a race day compare to his practice or test times not other way around regardless of tyre choice so i would say you are just wasting your time there.
Read Kropotkins pre-race reports and more emphasis is usually placed on consistent fast laps than one-off fast laps as a guide to true race pace.
Don,t citicise the things that you dont understand, for the times are a changin' (Apologies to Dylan)
I think its you with limited knowledge here buddy, if you have been following Rossi career so far you should know better that he can only go fast on a race day compare to his practice or test times not other way around regardless of tyre choice so i would say you are just wasting your time there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 19 2010, 06:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looking at the test results and reading 'tween the lines, it seems that both Pedders and Jorge may NOT be on top form 'til the Euro rounds... I think its entirely possible that Ben podiums in one of the first two races...
I don't know what odds I would give it, let's see the day through for starters, but I agree that it is entirely possible. The two guys don't look their best and Ben being an american and some "first race" magic he got the motivation so I say go for it. It's not like he would be the first rookie to do well in the first race.
I don't know what odds I would give it, let's see the day through for starters, but I agree that it is entirely possible. The two guys don't look their best and Ben being an american and some "first race" magic he got the motivation so I say go for it. It's not like he would be the first rookie to do well in the first race.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 19 2010, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its you with limited knowledge here buddy, if you have been following Rossi career so far you should know better that he can only go fast on a race day compare to his practice or test times not other way around regardless of tyre choice so i would say you are just wasting your time there.
As I said in the last testing thread rossi's form very obviously can't be bad in terms of his prospects for the season, but stoner is not looking all that bad either. I would suggest we wait for the races, and we desperately need them to start
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I hope stoner is to some degree sandbagging, and think it would be very much in his interests tactically to do so, but concede to those who argue this would not seem to be in his character. However testing form has not been a necessarily reliable guide to the championship in recent years, and that applies to 2007 as well as 2008 and 2009. We stiill at least don't know what state of race tune the bikes will have in view of both the reliability and fuel economy aspects, even apart from their respective development potential.
As I said in the last testing thread rossi's form very obviously can't be bad in terms of his prospects for the season, but stoner is not looking all that bad either. I would suggest we wait for the races, and we desperately need them to start
I hope stoner is to some degree sandbagging, and think it would be very much in his interests tactically to do so, but concede to those who argue this would not seem to be in his character. However testing form has not been a necessarily reliable guide to the championship in recent years, and that applies to 2007 as well as 2008 and 2009. We stiill at least don't know what state of race tune the bikes will have in view of both the reliability and fuel economy aspects, even apart from their respective development potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 19 2010, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I said in the last testing thread rossi's form very obviously can't be bad in terms of his prospects for the season, but stoner is not looking all that bad either. I would suggest we wait for the races, and we desperately need them to start
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I hope stoner is to some degree sandbagging, and think it would be very much in his interests tactically to do so, but concede to those who argue this would not seem to be in his character. However testing form has not been a neccessarily reliable guide to the championship in recent years, and that applies to 2007 as well as 2008 and 2009. We stiill at least don't know what the state of race tune the bikes will have in view of both the reliability and fuel economy aspects, even apart from their respective development potential.
Couldn't agree more michalem, i am just having some fun with BugsBunny for his silly assumptions asusual, so far in all tests Stoner is right behind Rossi, there is hardly any thing between them. Eventually it will come down to the race day and who manange to get good settings on the given day.
I hope stoner is to some degree sandbagging, and think it would be very much in his interests tactically to do so, but concede to those who argue this would not seem to be in his character. However testing form has not been a neccessarily reliable guide to the championship in recent years, and that applies to 2007 as well as 2008 and 2009. We stiill at least don't know what the state of race tune the bikes will have in view of both the reliability and fuel economy aspects, even apart from their respective development potential.
Couldn't agree more michalem, i am just having some fun with BugsBunny for his silly assumptions asusual, so far in all tests Stoner is right behind Rossi, there is hardly any thing between them. Eventually it will come down to the race day and who manange to get good settings on the given day.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 19 2010, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I said in the last testing thread rossi's form very obviously can't be bad in terms of his prospects for the season, but stoner is not looking all that bad either. I would suggest we wait for the races, and we desperately need them to start
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I hope stoner is to some degree sandbagging, and think it would be very much in his interests tactically to do so, but concede to those who argue this would not seem to be in his character. However testing form has not been a necessarily reliable guide to the championship in recent years, and that applies to 2007 as well as 2008 and 2009. We stiill at least don't know what state of race tune the bikes will have in view of both the reliability and fuel economy aspects, even apart from their respective development potential.
I find it unlikely that anyone is sandbagging with only 6 test days this year. However, as I have said elsewhere, Stoner has the big bang engine to come to terms with and may not be focussing on being top of the timesheets until he gets all his ducks in a row.
As you say, we desperately need April 10/11th to come around, though I'm less keen than most as it'll mean that I'm that much closer to having to go back to the UK/Europe for more work/money. Oh well, at least it'll mean that the European rounds will be at a more sociable time than 10pm!
I hope stoner is to some degree sandbagging, and think it would be very much in his interests tactically to do so, but concede to those who argue this would not seem to be in his character. However testing form has not been a necessarily reliable guide to the championship in recent years, and that applies to 2007 as well as 2008 and 2009. We stiill at least don't know what state of race tune the bikes will have in view of both the reliability and fuel economy aspects, even apart from their respective development potential.
I find it unlikely that anyone is sandbagging with only 6 test days this year. However, as I have said elsewhere, Stoner has the big bang engine to come to terms with and may not be focussing on being top of the timesheets until he gets all his ducks in a row.
As you say, we desperately need April 10/11th to come around, though I'm less keen than most as it'll mean that I'm that much closer to having to go back to the UK/Europe for more work/money. Oh well, at least it'll mean that the European rounds will be at a more sociable time than 10pm!
oh Man Spies is going to give us that little bit more exitment that we didn't get by other's.
He is a real deal and he can even win races this season.
I hope they give him some Factory bike very soon, and we see him fighting regularly for the wins or podiums.
Nice to see Lorenzo is able to ride the bike.
He is a real deal and he can even win races this season.
I hope they give him some Factory bike very soon, and we see him fighting regularly for the wins or podiums.
Nice to see Lorenzo is able to ride the bike.
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Not sure Rossi is going to want Spies to replace Lorenzo, assuming that Yamaha go with Rossi over Jorge. There may be trouble ahead, which is doubtless why Rossi is pushing all out during testing this year. Does imply a good season's racing, but then I thought that about F1 until Bahrain
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SprogTheDog @ Mar 18 2010, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>9143:rossi.JPG]
Is rossi riding in Qatar with that Old chicken on his head? That old chicken is surely better for soaps than laying eggs.
it could be nicer if he had raced with it this year.
Edit: I saw the picture on MotoGp website now.
Is rossi riding in Qatar with that Old chicken on his head? That old chicken is surely better for soaps than laying eggs.
it could be nicer if he had raced with it this year.
Edit: I saw the picture on MotoGp website now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 19 2010, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure Rossi is going to want Spies to replace Lorenzo, assuming that Yamaha go with Rossi over Jorge. There may be trouble ahead, which is doubtless why Rossi is pushing all out during testing this year. Does imply a good season's racing, but then I thought that about F1 until Bahrain
Yes it looks like Rossi will find more trouble with Spies than Horhey, but at the same time he is getting older and a few more people will be added to that list, from outside of Yamaha, so Rossi will find more trouble sooner or later.
but about f1, in f1 car's cant go side by side as much as they do in Bike racing serie's.
In motogp airodynamics doesn't play a big roll against overtaking.
f1 is become a show, and mostly after the first corner we know the winner, while in Motogp or the other bike racing serie's, that's not possible.
I also was thinking more positive about f1 this year, but at the same time i knew that the car's are not able to overtake eachother. maybe they have to make wider tracks for f1 racing, or other things, or maybe f1 cant be better than this.
but there is no way that motogp gets that boring, unless dorna and ezpeleta copy and paste every bull$hit rull of f1.
Yes it looks like Rossi will find more trouble with Spies than Horhey, but at the same time he is getting older and a few more people will be added to that list, from outside of Yamaha, so Rossi will find more trouble sooner or later.
but about f1, in f1 car's cant go side by side as much as they do in Bike racing serie's.
In motogp airodynamics doesn't play a big roll against overtaking.
f1 is become a show, and mostly after the first corner we know the winner, while in Motogp or the other bike racing serie's, that's not possible.
I also was thinking more positive about f1 this year, but at the same time i knew that the car's are not able to overtake eachother. maybe they have to make wider tracks for f1 racing, or other things, or maybe f1 cant be better than this.
but there is no way that motogp gets that boring, unless dorna and ezpeleta copy and paste every bull$hit rull of f1.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 19 2010, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a load of crap asusaul from you with lots of ifs and buts, does it really matter if Rossi did only 2 laps into 55s or you just looking for excuses.
Perhaps not but I too was wondering did Rossi just stick on a set of soft or quali tyres to get a fast time? ..... both Stoner and Spies supplies the information that they did at least a full race distance then did fast laps. This info. would be great to know for those of us who like to get an insight as to what to expect this season.
Even would have told us Rossi's mindset perhaps.
Perhaps not but I too was wondering did Rossi just stick on a set of soft or quali tyres to get a fast time? ..... both Stoner and Spies supplies the information that they did at least a full race distance then did fast laps. This info. would be great to know for those of us who like to get an insight as to what to expect this season.
Even would have told us Rossi's mindset perhaps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 19 2010, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure Rossi is going to want Spies to replace Lorenzo, assuming that Yamaha go with Rossi over Jorge. There may be trouble ahead, which is doubtless why Rossi is pushing all out during testing this year. Does imply a good season's racing, but then I thought that about F1 until Bahrain
Well, he might not like it if Spies continue progress, but he is not that powerfull and it might serve Yamaha the perfect compromise where they throw out Lorenzo and replace him with Ben.
They get a steady, level headed, cold american instead of the, lets say less stable Lorenzo as the young student and they keep their star Rossi.
Well, he might not like it if Spies continue progress, but he is not that powerfull and it might serve Yamaha the perfect compromise where they throw out Lorenzo and replace him with Ben.
They get a steady, level headed, cold american instead of the, lets say less stable Lorenzo as the young student and they keep their star Rossi.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Mar 19 2010, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes it looks like Rossi will find more trouble with Spies than Horhey...
Honestly, if Lorenzo was healthy, we may have saw it like this:
1. Rossi YAMAHA
2. Stoner
3. Lorenzo YAMAHA
4. Spies YAMAHA
5. Edwards YAMAHA
on a related note:
(Anybody remember when people use to claim Stoner was on a bike with an "advantage" while the other Ducati's were literally at the bottom of the time sheets?
)
Honestly, if Lorenzo was healthy, we may have saw it like this:
1. Rossi YAMAHA
2. Stoner
3. Lorenzo YAMAHA
4. Spies YAMAHA
5. Edwards YAMAHA
on a related note:
(Anybody remember when people use to claim Stoner was on a bike with an "advantage" while the other Ducati's were literally at the bottom of the time sheets?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 19 2010, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps not but I too was wondering did Rossi just stick on a set of soft or quali tyres to get a fast time? ..... both Stoner and Spies supplies the information that they did at least a full race distance then did fast laps. This info. would be great to know for those of us who like to get an insight as to what to expect this season.
Even would have told us Rossi's mindset perhaps.
For once I agree but the question is how accurate are the information. If they are able to set a fast lap on old tires the fine, added bonus to tell about it later, if not they will very often switch to fresh tires to get a better time, and I bet that theres been slight memory lapse more than once when they report they did the fastest lap on the old tires but in reality it was a pair of lightly scrubbed super softs. Now days they even put back on worn tires or just lightly scrubed tires so for a bystander it can be impossible to see what is actually going on.
Not saying anything like that happened here just that information given by rider or team can't always be trusted. Rossi might be the master of mind games but the others try hard as well to get a psychological advantage.
Even would have told us Rossi's mindset perhaps.
For once I agree but the question is how accurate are the information. If they are able to set a fast lap on old tires the fine, added bonus to tell about it later, if not they will very often switch to fresh tires to get a better time, and I bet that theres been slight memory lapse more than once when they report they did the fastest lap on the old tires but in reality it was a pair of lightly scrubbed super softs. Now days they even put back on worn tires or just lightly scrubed tires so for a bystander it can be impossible to see what is actually going on.
Not saying anything like that happened here just that information given by rider or team can't always be trusted. Rossi might be the master of mind games but the others try hard as well to get a psychological advantage.
