Losail final pre-season MotoGP Test

I don't think it's fair to say that "Kallio has a long history of riding like a ....... ...... and then blaming the other rider for whatever happened." He's made mistakes but he isn't the only rider who has happened to torpedo someone else out of the track. .... like that can happen to any rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Mar 23 2010, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kalio has a long history of riding like a ....... ...... and then blaming the other rider for whatever happened.  Remember him driving directly into Melandri, then throwing a fit?  I wouldn't be surprised to find that he did something REALLY stupid; Casey's 'WTF?' look might be well earned.
Geo - no disrespect, but no he doesn't. That statement is simply not true. You are merely appraising him on his rookie year in Moto GP. You obviously never watched some of the blinding rides he put in as a 125 rider or his 250 career with KTM in which he consistently showed true finesses and guile. His conduct during this time has been exceptional.

I do concede that on several occasions last year he clearly tried 'too hard' causing more than a few isolated moments of indiscretion, but I'm not sure that you've been watching 125 and 250 for very long. After all, if you had, then it would've been impossible not to have heard of....

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I was shocked and dismayed at your ignorance

Incidentally Rog, she takes after her Mother...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 23 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Geo - no disrespect, but no he doesn't. That statement is simply not true. You are merely appraising him on his rookie year in Moto GP. You obviously never watched some of the blinding rides he put in as a 125 rider or his 250 career with KTM in which he consistently showed true finesses and guile. His conduct during this time has been exceptional.

I do concede that on several occasions last year he clearly tried 'too hard' causing more than a few isolated moments of indiscretion, but I'm not sure that you've been watching 125 and 250 for very long.
I don't know about "long history" but certainly last year and some 250 incidents that come to mind; which has made me think about his past. Perhaps being in a MotoGP position represents increased scrutiny, while his blaming of other riders wouldn't have been so noteworthy in the lower classes. His rides in 250s endeared me to him and was happy that he got a MotoGP ride, as I felt he was deserving. However, he had multiple incidents where he was clearly at fault; not only did he not take responsibility; but, he blamed the other rider (ie Melandri & Hayden).

In Geo's defense (not that he needs it) I can think of at least one incident where he did the same thing in 250s. Perhaps you may recall, while at KTM he torpedoed his teammate (no less) in a desperate lunge crashing into the back of Aoyama. Guess who Kallio blamed? Yup, you guessed it, his teammate Aoyama. The fool basically said the same ........ that he said about Hayden and Melandri, that is to imply that the rider he crashed into (ahead of him) had somehow chopped the throttle. Like I said, while in 250's I was a fan, but after repeated and multiple incidents of him blaming the other rider in a fit of blind stupidity, he has yet to man up and take responsibility for a lapse in focus. Excellent rider he is, grip of reality for racing crash incidents, not so much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 23 2010, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know about "long history" but certainly last year and some 250 incidents that come to mind; which has made me think about his past. Perhaps being in a MotoGP position represents increased scrutiny, while his blaming of other riders wouldn't have been so noteworthy in the lower classes. His rides in 250s endeared me to him and was happy that he got a MotoGP ride, as I felt he was deserving. However, he had multiple incidents where he was clearly at fault; not only did he not take responsibility; but, he blamed the other rider (ie Melandri & Hayden).

In Geo's defense (not that he needs it) I can think of at least one incident where he did the same thing in 250s. Perhaps you may recall, while at KTM he torpedoed his teammate (no less) in a desperate lunge crashing into the back of Aoyama. Guess who Kallio blamed? Yup, you guessed it, his teammate Aoyama. The fool basically said the same ........ that he said about Hayden and Melandri, that is to imply that the rider he crashed into (ahead of him) had somehow chopped the throttle. Like I said, while in 250's I was a fan, but after repeated and multiple incidents of him blaming the other rider in a fit of blind stupidity, he has yet to man up and take responsibility for a lapse in focus. Excellent rider he is, grip of reality for racing crash incidents, not so much.
In all honesty I don't remember that, and I should. Where was it? I recall Bautista spectacularly doing the same at Assen last year though. I have personally never seen Kalio blame another rider prior to his graduation to Moto GP. I even recall his relative equanimity following Talma's hilarious pass on the line at Losail.

Besides, he's an ice speedway rider Jum - and he's certainly no fool

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 23 2010, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all honesty I don't remember that, and I should. Where was it?
San Marino Grand Prix 08

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I recall Bautista spectacularly doing the same at Assen last year though. I have personally never seen Kalio blame another rider prior to his graduation to Moto GP.

As I recall, Kallio was either out of the top ten or very close to it in the first lap but was making up positions like gangbusters, when he reached Aoyama, he hit him from behind (exactly like Melandri). I remember it because: 1. they were KTM teammates, 2. Kalio & Aoyama were in championship contention, 3. I liked both riders, and most egregiously, it was only the 4th lap (reminded me of Portugal 06, of which I had tried to forget).

Kallio basically said Aoyama had chopped the throttle, the Japanese rider said that was ........ (I believe the Hiro).


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Besides, he's an ice speedway rider Jum - and he's certainly no fool

Perhaps that explains his cold character. Maybe not a "fool" but I don't like him very much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 23 2010, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>San Marino Grand Prix 08



As I recall, Kallio was either out of the top ten or very close to it in the first lap but was making up positions like gangbusters, when he reached Aoyama, he hit him from behind (exactly like Melandri). I remember it because: 1. they were KTM teammates, 2. Kalio & Aoyama were in championship contention, 3. I liked both riders, and most egregiously, it was only the 4th lap (reminded me of Portugal 06, of which I had tried to forget).

Kallio basically said Aoyama had chopped the throttle, the Japanese rider said that was ........ (I believe the Hiro).
Dammit - yes I do remember this incident, you're right. Didn't think it was Misano though.

I have a signed Kallio rookie card thanks to Jumkie...................so when is that thing going to be worth something??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 23 2010, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The fool basically said the same ........ that he said about Hayden and Melandri, that is to imply that the rider he crashed into (ahead of him) had somehow chopped the throttle.

I kind of recall once where Hayden and Edwards were piss off pushing a Rider (Melandri?) while it was not his fault. The thing here (I don't know his record entirely) as I see is that Kallio has mistaken blame several times now, and that is what he needs to meditate about. But on the other hand we have seen several incidents in which Stoner has complain (whine and moan) for other 'slower' Riders… Well duh, if they were faster Stoner would not be a happy camper at all, if you are a constant top 4 there will always be 'slower' riders… It's the real world. Or simply go race by yourself. So in this case I give Kallio my vote and see most have deviated this point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Mar 24 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I kind of recall once where Hayden and Edwards were piss off pushing a Rider (Melandri?) while it was not his fault. The thing here (I don't know his record entirely) as I see is that Kallio has mistaken blame several times now, and that is what he needs to meditate about. But on the other hand we have seen several incidents in which Stoner has complain (whine and moan) for other 'slower' Riders… Well duh, if they were faster Stoner would not be a happy camper at all, if you are a constant top 4 there will always be 'slower' riders… It's the real world. Or simply go race by yourself. So in this case I give Kallio my vote and see most have deviated this point.

Umm ....... the practice situation is not a race, in fact "...." rarely happens in a race. In Practice its not uncomon to have riders that are not normally together, or even near each other, interacting. Sometimes thses interactions are not very "Sesame Street".

It happens all the time. Its very likely a "spur of the moment" reaction to an almost deadly situation, and in most cases they would have forgotten it half a lap later.

Get over it you whiny, bunch of sooks!! ...... the racing is coming soon.

Buncha whiny ....... hounding me....

OK, so "Long History" is a bit of an overstatement. (In my wacked out reality, 'Long History' = multiple incidents in 2009) I DO recall several absurd incidents last year in which Kallio clobbered someone, then went and acted all offended that his victim had the nerve to be in his way! The most blatant example was running into Melandri (who had just passed him) from behind, then blaming Marco for an "unsafe overtake."  What a ......!

Yea, Casey has a habit of giving people the "WTF?" Evil Eye. But for half the forum to jump up and start blaming Stoner without knowing a damn thing about what happened between him and Kalliokaze is pretty damn weak!   

Arrab, I DID recently eduficate myself regarding Katja.  And no, I've (admittedly stupidly!) neglected the 250 class for fart oo long.  I caught the last few from last year and am slowly filling in my collection.

I like kallio as a rider also. The point of my earlier post and it would seem those of others is that any incident is not automatically stoner's fault, and kallio also as others have pointed out has a history of being obstreporous on occasion with competitors, including stoner if I remember correctly when both riders were in the 250s and had similar status.

Stoner definitely has a history of being annoyed with other riders dawdling on the racing line; whilst he could perhaps be more gracious this does not seem an unreasonable thing about which to be annoyed.

As we have discussed many times they (past and present riders) nearly all whinge, including valentino at times. My belief is still that for many stoner detractors his major character flaw is that he sometimes beats rossi, and particularly that he managed to do so over a whole season in 2007 .

Well we all know that Kilio takes strange line around the track. They probably just got their schwartz crossed.






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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 23 2010, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably not, to get passed implies that you must be in front of. That .... aint going to happen unless he getting lapped.

True enough but I was thinking more about practise or qualifying since the picture was at Qatar. I doubt Kalio will get lapped but he'll never compete at Stoner's level. Not that many could.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 24 2010, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whilst he could perhaps be more gracious this does not seem an unreasonable thing about which to be annoyed.

With a helmet on and all that speed and noise etc. etc. etc. going on around you, I'd like to see anyone "being gracious" as well as getting there point across. How does one "graciously" get ones point across, in such a situation, without more gestures than even Marcel Marceau could muster

The only real "ungraciousness" going on here is the mountain being built from a molehill by "some fans" ( thats being gracious me saying it that way ..... but then again on a forum one can do that ) .

But I do note, as I believe Geonerd and yourself have already pointed out, the Stoner hate is starting Its beginning to seem every tiny thing that occurs, turns into a whinge/sook about Stoner

I know I am a Stoner fan, so some of the stuff I say is hard to take, but how about you guys that have a propensity for the "bottom lip wobbling" when Stoner is mentioned, just watch the guy ride!!! ...... and enjoy that, you are missing a piece of history, he really is a gem to watch ....... so don't miss that or some day he could be gone, and riders like him don't come around every decade , or 2, or even 3

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Mar 23 2010, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a signed Kallio rookie card thanks to Jumkie...................so when is that thing going to be worth something??
oh yeah. Well mayb he will hav a better year. Hows it going bro?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 24 2010, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As we have discussed many times they (past and present riders) nearly all whinge, including valentino at times. My belief is still that for many stoner detractors his major character flaw is that he sometimes beats rossi, and particularly that he managed to do so over a whole season in 2007 .
Hayden mange to beat Rossi over the whole season as well in 2006, nobody disliked him Michael. He is still one of the more likeable riders in the paddock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 24 2010, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden mange to beat Rossi over the whole season as well in 2006, nobody disliked him Michael. He is still one of the more likeable riders in the paddock.
You should have been on this board at the time. Many people bitched and moaned that NH didn't deserve the WC in 2006, despite the fact that he clearly had more points than anyone else!

It was Honda's treatment of Hayden in 2007 and Hayden's attitude to that, that brought almost everyone on here round to liking Hayden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 24 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden mange to beat Rossi over the whole season as well in 2006, nobody disliked him Michael. He is still one of the more likeable riders in the paddock.


You need to look back before you joined

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 24 2010, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should have been on this board at the time. Many people bitched and moaned that NH didn't deserve the WC in 2006, despite the fact that he clearly had more points than anyone else!

It was Honda's treatment of Hayden in 2007 and Hayden's attitude to that, that brought almost everyone on here round to liking Hayden.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 24 2010, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You need to look back before you joined
You 2 guys are mixing two things togather. I think there is big difference in not giving enough credit to some one and in disliking some one.

if stoner's illness comes back and he suddenly loose his mojo and ducati starts treating him like .... i still wont' like him