Losail final pre-season MotoGP Test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 24 2010, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You 2 guys are mixing two things togather. I think there is big difference in not giving enough credit to some one and in disliking some one.

Oh is that was it was ....... "not giving him credit" ........ when the Boppers were calling Hayden the "cruizing caretaker" etc..

But does it really matter which of the two things is occurring?

No credit, or lack thereof
Disliking

both are just excuses for Sooking



Its all part of why the term "Boppers" came to be known, ie. one can easily envisage a bunch of screaming hysterical crying teenage girls wailing at some "teeny" concert.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slev7n @ Mar 24 2010, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if stoner's illness comes back and he suddenly loose his mojo and ducati starts treating him like .... i still wont' like him

See!! ...... there's one right now ....... wailing and crying incoherently with some idiotic story of piteous self "feelings".



Its bike racing you tosser!!! .......... not a teeny concert

.... i thought i was posting on the jonas brothers fan forum!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It was Honda's treatment of Hayden in 2007 and Hayden's attitude to that, that brought almost everyone on here round to liking Hayden
i was trying to make a point with my coment you moron!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 23 2010, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its all part of why the term "Boppers" came to be known, ie. one can easily envisage a bunch of screaming hysterical crying teenage girls wailing at some "teeny" concert.
how can you talk about boppers when you yourself are the biggest bopper around here ...besides supershinya(nakano bopper)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slev7n @ Mar 23 2010, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
.... i thought i was posting on the jonas brothers fan forum!!

So, that's where all you .......s came from!  


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'> i was trying to make a point with my comment you moron!
Subtlety is a lost cause 'round here, bro!  

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So, that's where all you .......s came from! rolleyes.gif
i guess you've got me there



by the way ...barry...are you sure you are not from mississippi ???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 24 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As we have discussed many times they (past and present riders) nearly all whinge, including valentino at times. My belief is still that for many stoner detractors his major character flaw is that he sometimes beats rossi, and particularly that he managed to do so over a whole season in 2007 .

I can only speak for myself, I disliked stoner when he was in 125cc. IMO he has always shown spoilt brat and whiny behaviour, his treatment of other riders and even members of his own team is well documented. It reared it's ugly head at laguna 08 and it will happen again.

Like I said I am speaking for myself but the fact that he is booed at several tracks each year obviously means he is not the most popular character. I highly doubt this is all because of 2007, he has made his own bed, it's just easier for you to accept that it must be because he beat rossi

We even have them here in Aust. ^^^^^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 24 2010, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...riders like him don't come around every decade , or 2, or even 3
Uhm... yeah they do come around pretty much every decade... Doohan, Lawson, Gardner, Rainey, Schwanz, Spencer, Sheene, Hailwood, Read, Agostini, Surtees... do those names ring any bells BM?

I had a chance for some face time with Casey in '06 at Sepang (strangely enough Casey and the LCR booth weren't a big draw) and found him to be polite, yet standoffish. He's a phenomenal rider yet I've never been a fan because of his personality. One does not need to be a bopper of any flavour to like and dislike certain riders, while admiring all riders skill and talent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 24 2010, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh is that was it was ....... "not giving him credit" ........ when the Boppers were calling Hayden the "cruizing caretaker" etc..

But does it really matter which of the two things is occurring?

No credit, or lack thereof
Disliking

both are just excuses for Sooking



Its all part of why the term "Boppers" came to be known, ie. one can easily envisage a bunch of screaming hysterical crying teenage girls wailing at some "teeny" concert.

You forgot to mention the other unmistakable signs of a true booper:
- The most obvious of all: Massive over-usage of smilies
- Hysteric posting trying to project his/her own insecurity over to others by repeatedly and frequent posts about others sooking
- Same massive posting about how his/her rider is by far the fastest ignoring results that tells another story.
- finally, all of this are posted mostly off topic and out of the blue. The more ordinary or silly post, the more smilies, the slower his/her riders is the more frequent hailing of him as the fastest rider and the happier and relaxed other writers are, the more accusations about sooking.
Fits the teeny image as well as a few not so teeny.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Mar 24 2010, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can only speak for myself, I disliked stoner when he was in 125cc. IMO he has always shown spoilt brat and whiny behaviour, his treatment of other riders and even members of his own team is well documented. It reared it's ugly head at laguna 08 and it will happen again.

Like I said I am speaking for myself but the fact that he is booed at several tracks each year obviously means he is not the most popular character. I highly doubt this is all because of 2007, he has made his own bed, it's just easier for you to accept that it must be because he beat rossi
You are absolutely entitled not to like him if that is how you feel, and may well have more familiarity with him in his early 125 days than I do. I am not aware personally of much criticism of stoner prior to 2007 (other than that he was crash-prone, which was not unjustified), or of much attitude from him prior to him being widely reviled rather than respected for winning the 2007 world championship.

I find it rather too much of a coincidence that virtually everyone else who has ever been vaguely competitive with rossi has also been similarly reviled, such as biaggi and gibernau and to some extent now lorenzo but including nicky hayden who seems notably devoid of character flaws; ask jumkie or if you prefer austin what the attitude towards hayden was from a significant number on here in 2006. The only obvious exception is capirossi, but I wonder if even that would have held if he had got further into the 2006 season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 23 2010, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You haven't been watching Kalio much, have you. When you're done being blinded by Stoner hate (don't cop that you just don't like his "whining" as if they all don't do it); think back to Kalio's scud missile impression on Melandri last year. Guess who Kallio blamed.

EDIT: Just realized several people responded in kind.

Yes i have been watching Kallio as much as all the other racers during the races where possible. I wasn't whinging about Kallio. I reckoned by my post that this was an example of Stoner having a hissy fit and getting on like a prima donna . Read my post ffs before you decide whether i am a fan or not . I dont particularly class myself as a "fan " or follower of 1 rider over another ,but stoner has his stroppy head on when he deems himself to be baulked ....he has done several times. more than anyone else about at the minute i reckon.
I dont even know what a "bopper " is ???? although aparently I am one for making an anti Stoner statement.

If blind allegiance is what the forum is about with one group of fans belittling and slabbering at another bunch of fans then you may as well go watch football ( or soccer if your'e from accross the pond)
Honestly fella's........these guys arent goats, and to ..... about the abilities of someone like Kallio amazes me ..which was why I started the tread about who actually has raced on the forum.

It's no coincedence that the loudest, most opinionated and derogatory ( and generally "team" sided) comments come from people who havent raced.

Wise up..at no point have I slagged Stoner for not riding well, he is without a class act on a bike...............I just wonder what guys like Lawson, Doohan and Sarron etc would have made of his head shaking .....He probably would have received a dig in the gob................
.THAT is what my post was about FFS.

Damn I can't wait for the season to start, then hopefully we can have animated discussions about racing and not an incident that took place during a test....WE ARE ALL WAY TOO BORED!!!

Bring on the 2010 MotoGP racing season!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hasbeenoldgit @ Mar 24 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wise up..at no point have I slagged Stoner for not riding well, he is without a class act on a bike...............I just wonder what guys like Lawson, Doohan and Sarron etc would have made of his head shaking .....He probably would have received a dig in the gob................
.THAT is what my post was about FFS.
I don't think doohan is a good example to use in support of your case. He whinged as much as anyone, obviously from a position of greater strength than stoner.

If you have raced at all you have obviously got me covered. If you have raced at motogp level you have got everyone covered, except that this still does not preclude prejudice. If you dislike stoner that is fine and very much your prerogative, but if your experience qualifies you for anything it is to comment on his riding, which you say is fine, and said experience is fairly irrelevant to whether you or others do or should dislike him I would have thought.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Mar 23 2010, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a signed Kallio rookie card thanks to Jumkie...................so when is that thing going to be worth something??
If you want to cash in on this gem, I'd say you'll get highest value in 2005.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 23 2010, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden mange to beat Rossi over the whole season as well in 2006, nobody disliked him Michael. He is still one of the more likeable riders in the paddock.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 23 2010, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should have been on this board at the time. Many people bitched and moaned that NH didn't deserve the WC in 2006, despite the fact that he clearly had more points than anyone else!

It was Honda's treatment of Hayden in 2007 and Hayden's attitude to that, that brought almost everyone on here round to liking Hayden.
It was no love-fest for Hayden after he won the title. There was a lot of slagging him off, that he wasn't a worthy champion and all that. Pre-season testing for 2007 was more of the same, considering he spent most of the off-season fighting for top five times. It wasn't until Hayden was clearly no longer a threat to Rossi (two or three rounds into the 2007 season) that the vilification stopped. And by that point, Stoner was riding the remote controlled GP07 so the disciples had somebody else to vilify.

I'm just speaking for myself, but I do recall a bit of love for Stoner in the 250s. He put up title challenges to Pedrosa, while the world believed that Pedrosa was the next Rossi and Honda were catering to his every whim. Stoner was the underdog in 2005 and I recall a fair amount of support for him. And his ride at Qatar in 2006 won him a few fans as well.

Obviously not everybody liked him in the lower ranks or in his rookie season, but I don't recall such polarized opinions about him until 2007. Strange coincidence.

as much as i have looked in to love and hate for the riders/sportsmen, i have seen usually the same personalities who dont like a rider because of a reason that mostly when you look at it differently, you will see that it's not a big thing to talk about it for Ages.

I have seen dislike or hate for every driver/rider.

by disliking other riders (especially the top ones), we only make it harder for ourselves, since they dont hear or read our comments and they will sooner or later win a race or a championship again and that will hurt us, because of not being able to enjoy that race/time.

but one thing will always stay the same, some people will deny the greatness and achivments of some sportsmen and someother will try their best to show that achivments of their favorite's sportsman has been bigger than what it really is.

I think we only have to look at the sportsmen achivments in their competition for measuring their greatness in that sport. and what they have said or done to others should never play a role in that.

the most consistents and winners are the greatest sportsmen, especially when they win more than a few championships during a decade.

The fanboyism is kind of lost on me. Who cares if you actually like the riders personality or not? You aren't friends with these people.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hasbeenoldgit @ Mar 24 2010, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes i have been watching Kallio as much as all the other racers during the races where possible. I wasn't whinging about Kallio.

There must have been something lost in translation (at least I've heard this as a reason for not understanding a post), I know you were not whinging about Kallio, but you were whining about Stoner. And what you find so egregious is a simple head shake; seems dismal in comparison to somebody repeatedly crashing into the back of another rider then blaming him for it.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I reckoned by my post that this was an example of Stoner having a hissy fit and getting on like a prima donna . Read my post ffs before you decide whether i am a fan or not .

Your whole problem with Stoner is that he shakes his head when somebody gets in his way during qual, newsflash Mr. 'I've been watching Kallio since 125s' they all have done it, even the most benign of riders like Capirossi and Hayden. Riders don't like when other riders get in the way during qual or cross lines, it can lead to a ...... grid position or worse a crash (think Laguna 07). You didn't leave much to the imagination, you made it clear enough that Stoner annoys you (as inconsequential as headshaking is, that hasn't stopped you from having a "hissy fit" about it.)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I dont particularly class myself as a "fan " or follower of 1 rider over another ,but stoner has his stroppy head on when he deems himself to be baulked ....he has done several times. more than anyone else about at the minute i reckon.

Again, your whole "hissy fit" of a post revolves around Stoner headshaking (would that is earth shattering stuff you're complaining about man). Get over it, its not that big of a deal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I dont even know what a "bopper " is ???? although aparently I am one for making an anti Stoner statement. Bopper is a term invented to describe the unique blind worship that some Rossi followers have for their hero. This unique quality isn't limited to Rossi worship but also includes an element of hate for Rossi's rivals, who ever that may be at the time, currently its Stoner. Did I call you a bopper? No. Perhaps you feel a bit guilty though? You're blind hate for stoner is suspect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>If blind allegiance is what the forum is about with one group of fans belittling and slabbering at another bunch of fans then you may as well go watch football ( or soccer if your'e from accross the pond)

That's pretty funny. Here is the part I find amusing, your turned off about the "belittling" between fan; yet have no problem "belittling" something as insignificant as headshaking. You've effectively disparaged Stoner for his intensity over something so trivial.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Honestly fella's........these guys arent goats, and to ..... about the abilities of someone like Kallio amazes me ..which was why I started the tread about who actually has raced on the forum.

We were "bitiching" about Kallio's repeated blaming on other riders when he has crashed into them. Do you understand the difference? You don't need to be a high level racer to understand this. Perhaps you are a racer of some highlevel experience, great, so why do you have such a problem with Stoner shaking his head when somebody crosses his line in qual? You'd think that getting torpedoed would be much more of a concern and reason to ..... about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It's no coincedence that the loudest, most opinionated and derogatory ( and generally "team" sided) comments come from people who havent raced.
That is ignorant. I have found little to know difference between racer and spectators in regards to opinions. FAIL


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Wise up..at no point have I slagged Stoner for not riding well, he is without a class act on a bike...............I just wonder what guys like Lawson, Doohan and Sarron etc would have made of his head shaking .....He probably would have received a dig in the gob................
.THAT is what my post was about FFS.

How long have you been watching again? Lawson and Doohan notoriously complained about something or other, including those around them. Dude, its all good man, no hard feels buddy, its just my ears prickle up when I read somebody taking lame shots at Stoner. It seems its become a favorite pass time to take digs at the guy, which I still don't understand why (except for the Mindless).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 24 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The fanboyism is kind of lost on me. Who cares if you actually like the riders personality or not? You aren't friends with these people.
Well, I love to see great racing - regardless of who wins. I don't have a "my guy" BUT I find, being a fan of the sport of bike racing, that I cannot avoid becoming familiar with riders public personas (or is that personi?) whether I want to or not.

You GS are a fan of Suzuki (I think I can state that... you don't care who the pilot is - you are fan of the brand, correct?) and the engineering so of course personalities aren't your bailiwick.

Others though are fans of riders or homeboys and personality and personal affinity are their basis for enjoying the sport. Nothing wrong with that. Until, of course, it gets to the level of adoration and blind adulation (or conversely blind hate) that we have issues...

Jumkie, are you by any chance from bizzaro world?