Losail final pre-season MotoGP Test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 24 2010, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, are you by any chance from bizzaro world?
Yup, how did you know?

How many of the top contenders give as much support to their teammates as this:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...den-resurgence/

Rossi-no
Lorenzo-no
Pedrosa-no
Dovisiozo-no



You might say it is because he doesn,t see Nicky as a real threat, but since Hayden has joined Ducati, all I can see is a lot of positive energy between the two riders, that you don,t see at other top teams. Casey could hardly be a total ....... if this is the case. The poor bopper opinion on Stoner is quickly formed, poorly substantiated and grimly held onto despite many examples to the contrary.

Even Spies, a possible/likely future alien, has been getting tips from Stoner!
Any help from Rossi ? In your dreams!
But he,s such a funny guy, that Rossi. I just love him, all that yellow rossi-fan stuff: I could just eat it all up

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...mp;R=EPI-122515

Jeez he,s a prick, that Stoner...............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 24 2010, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhm... yeah they do come around pretty much every decade... Doohan, Lawson, Gardner, Rainey, Schwanz, Spencer, Sheene, Hailwood, Read, Agostini, Surtees... do those names ring any bells BM?

If I was to watch footage of all of them Stoner stands out. And with the exception of a few of them there, none drew such awe and admiration from their peers as Stoner does. There isn't a rider in the field today who hasn't expressed some form of awe at Stoner's riding skills.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 24 2010, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've never been a fan because of his personality. One does not need to be a bopper of any flavour to like and dislike certain riders, while admiring all riders skill and talent.

Maybe he was chasing after Adrianna at the time so he wasn't interested in courting you. Though I do note one would have thought if he was so free for time he could have at least "pashed" you !!

How long did you spend with him.

What did you expect him to do?

How much "personal love" have you got from Rossi? Did it make you feel "special" did those feelings last the whole day, a week, a year?

What do you do in that situation, ie. when you are signing autographs and folks you have never met before come up to you and ............ never mind I just don't get the whole "fan" thing I'm sure.

Its GP racing, there's TV shows out there that are aimed at making you feel "special" in a world of insignificance, why don't you watch them ........... oh and tell me how they ride

Definately a 'Barry Crocker'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 24 2010, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, I love to see great racing - regardless of who wins. I don't have a "my guy" BUT I find, being a fan of the sport of bike racing, that I cannot avoid becoming familiar with riders public personas (or is that personi?) whether I want to or not.

You GS are a fan of Suzuki (I think I can state that... you don't care who the pilot is - you are fan of the brand, correct?) and the engineering so of course personalities aren't your bailiwick.

Others though are fans of riders or homeboys and personality and personal affinity are their basis for enjoying the sport. Nothing wrong with that. Until, of course, it gets to the level of adoration and blind adulation (or conversely blind hate) that we have issues...

I guess that's why I have fun prodding the guys that obviously are rider first. I don't get any more burned up about the riders than they do about me. And for gods sake I do have a sense of humour the gsfan moniker was thought up in 1 second. It's "tongue in cheek" most of the time.

Barry - are you actually trying to argue that my personal opinion is somehow invalid?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 24 2010, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your whole problem with Stoner is that he shakes his head when somebody gets in his way during qual, newsflash Mr. 'I've been watching Kallio since 125s' they all have done it, even the most benign of riders like Capirossi and Hayden. Riders don't like when other riders get in the way during qual or cross lines, it can lead to a ...... grid position or worse a crash (think Laguna 07). You didn't leave much to the imagination, you made it clear enough that Stoner annoys you (as inconsequential as headshaking is, that hasn't stopped you from having a "hissy fit" about it.)
I did not mention tony elias in my other post, another rider who revealed grave character defects coincident with him momentarily challenging rossi .

The one incident I won't defend stoner for is when in 2008 he gestured to marco melandri who was at a particularly low ebb at the time; hopefully casey may be a little more sympathetic in future after his travails last year.

As for the rest as you say riders/drivers routinely complain about others crossing/taking their lines in most forms of high level motorsport, with "I would have been higher except for rider/driver X baulking me on my potentially fastest lap" being said very frequently in post-qualifying interviews; I believe there are now rules under which penalties apply for this in F1. I would have thought it is at least as much a problem in motogp under the current formula which is notoriously "one line".

As you also say the safety aspect is not insignificant either; there was a recent thread on another forum about the collision between shobert and magee on a slow-down lap which basically ended both careers (certainly shobert's). I can't recall seeing actual footage of it myself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 25 2010, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry - are you actually trying to argue that my personal opinion is somehow invalid?

No, I would not dare attempt to sway your opinion it obviously keeps you safe and happy and feeling good about yourself



so I'll put it simpler .........

What I was trying to say was ......

I dislike you and I don't like your personality

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 24 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup, how did you know?
I thought everyone on here knew you were from California, guess not.

Spies said Stoner had been giving him a few tips and told MCN: “I really like him a lot. He sometimes catches a bit of flak with the media but he’s a true racer and that’s what I like about him.

"He’s not in it for the other stuff and he’s just about the business on the track and I’ve got a lot of respect for him.

"When he does talk about stuff I’m willing to listen. It’s good to listen to somebody that is that fast.”




Uhm, Stoner haters...discuss.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 25 2010, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I was trying to say was ......

I dislike you and I don't like your personality
Now you're getting the idea... your prerogative! Why the .... would I care that anyone thinks about me - and more to the point, why the .... would you care about my personal opinion of someone else's personality?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Mar 24 2010, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many of the top contenders give as much support to their teammates as this:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...den-resurgence/

Rossi-no
Lorenzo-no
Pedrosa-no
Dovisiozo-no



You might say it is because he doesn,t see Nicky as a real threat, but since Hayden has joined Ducati, all I can see is a lot of positive energy between the two riders, that you don,t see at other top teams. Casey could hardly be a total ....... if this is the case. The poor bopper opinion on Stoner is quickly formed, poorly substantiated and grimly held onto despite many examples to the contrary.

Even Spies, a possible/likely future alien, has been getting tips from Stoner!
Any help from Rossi ? In your dreams!
But he,s such a funny guy, that Rossi. I just love him, all that yellow rossi-fan stuff: I could just eat it all up

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...mp;R=EPI-122515

Jeez he,s a prick, that Stoner...............


Oh, riders in this sport have never given away their real "secrets". Stoner can be no different. Rest assured
By the way, Stoner is known as an instinctive, phenomenal rider with a very personal style. What useful tips can this kind of rider give to others? Ben Spies acknowledged that Stoner tried to give him some tips, and he appreciated the friendly attitude, but he also added that he wasn't able to use any of them. No surprise

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 25 2010, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now you're getting the idea... your prerogative! Why the .... would I care that anyone thinks about me - and more to the point, why the .... would you care about my personal opinion of someone else's personality?

Well you obviously do care .... incessantly ....... and at too many oportunities

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you obviously do care .... incessantly ....... and at too many oportunities
Do we actually speak the same language?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Mar 25 2010, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, riders in this sport have never given away their real "secrets". Stoner can be no different. Rest assured
By the way, Stoner is known as an instinctive, phenomenal rider with a very personal style. What useful tips can this kind of rider give to others? Ben Spies acknowledged that Stoner tried to give him some tips, and he appreciated the friendly attitude, but he also added that he wasn't able to use any of them. No surprise
I have to say I strongly doubt that stoner would give anything away to a yamaha rider either, particularly one of spies' obvious talent, unless he is expecting to be riding with him on the factory yamaha team next year .

It does rather give the lie to stoner being universally hated by anyone with any interest or involvement in motogp except me, barry machine and a few other posters on this forum though. I don't think this is your attitude btw; your stance that stoner is very good but rossi is better is not an unreasonable one on current evidence

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 25 2010, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...stoner being universally hated by anyone with any interest or involvement in motogp except me, barry machine and a few other posters...
Wow Mike, that's a wee bit over-the-top n'est ce pas?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Mar 23 2010, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a signed Kallio rookie card thanks to Jumkie...................so when is that thing going to be worth something??

When it snows in Bali?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Mar 23 2010, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden mange to beat Rossi over the whole season as well in 2006, nobody disliked him Michael. He is still one of the more likeable riders in the paddock.

Whaaat? Go back to 2006 and 2007 posts on the forum. There were lots of
Hayden haters. They've mostly drifted into the background since he stopped being a
threat to Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Mar 25 2010, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow Mike, that's a wee bit over-the-top n'est pas?
Poetic license after a glass of shiraz . I don't have any problem with your view on casey stoner either, but as I have said previously and as others (not you) exemplify on this thread whinging about stoner's whinging is far in excess of any whinging he does.

btw randy de puniet is quoted on crashnet today as saying he would have had the fourth fastest time at qatar had barbera not been on his line on the last corner of his fastest lap. Well known whinger that de puniet.

What I was trying to say was ......

I dislike you and I don't like your personality

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Now you're getting the idea... your prerogative! Why the .... would I care that anyone thinks about me - and more to the point, why the .... would you care about my personal opinion of someone else's personality?

Good thing you spelled it out. You two don't like each other. Who'd have guessed?