Stoner has been perfectly consistent in races this year. It doesn't even look like he's set a wheel wrong. Getting taken out by Rossi doesn't count against him.
Stoner has been perfectly consistent in races this year. It doesn't even look like he's set a wheel wrong. Getting taken out by Rossi doesn't count against him.
I was thinking about last year's inconsistency, when he either win or crash.
But this year, you are right, he really is consistent. But Lorenzo is too, he just doesn't have the bike.
I think Stoner is the fastest out there...but when pressure comes... he will fall...and not just once and than act stupid. Shame...
I hope the others will catch him before he goes into comfortable point lead in championship...
And i dont wannt anyone to fall just wannt some close racing... and Stoner is great to watch...but not at 10 sec lead...
I hope the others will catch him before he goes into comfortable point lead in championship...
And i dont wannt anyone to fall just wannt some close racing... and Stoner is great to watch...but not at 10 sec lead...
Oh.. i forgot.
Im realy interested what will happen after Brno... where will be Yamaha and where Ducati, Honda still that good (if Stoner lead the championship by miles...than yes
).
How good is Lorenzo at developing... cant wait till 1000cc
There will be some pressure on him.
Im realy interested what will happen after Brno... where will be Yamaha and where Ducati, Honda still that good (if Stoner lead the championship by miles...than yes
How good is Lorenzo at developing... cant wait till 1000cc
Rog, an interesting question and one that may well have not yet reached full effect.
Gaz
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Tweed Valley Australia
Was it Stoner inconsistency or the Ducati's inconsistency. Rossi has proved you can consistently finish 5th or so on it, winning is a little different.
The Honda is a whole new kettle of fish (and please don't refer to Casey's season on LCR with a budget for a housing commission wedding and tyres you wouldn't put on a scooter).
If the Motegi's radiation level is so high that staying a few days there causes health problem as Jorge believes, the engine update is the least thing Yamaha engineers can care about. Their headquarter is further away from the plant, but it is still in the distance they cannot feel comfortable if that is the case. Is he ignorant, stupid, or hypocrite? I do not know.
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Tar Heel State
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
When you finish 5-6 every race, thats about where you will finish in the points. Stoner went for wins and the Ducati bit him about as often as it loved him. Rossi is not pushing the Ducat anywhere near the levels that Stoner did. Like i said before, Stoner had lots of balls, or lack of brains.A rider can finish 5th in points by running around safely in 5th, or he can finish in 5th by winning races and crashing out of races. I prefer the 5th place guy who is going for wins and throwing caution to the wind, over the guy who is riding around in 5th 10-15 seconds off the pace.
Stoner rode round off the pace for much of last year.
Remember that prompted the infamous comments from JB/VR.
Remember that prompted the infamous comments from JB/VR.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
I wouldnt say Casey was riding around off pace, his average qualifying was around 3rd where he was not far off pace. It did not always translate to high finishes, but he was pushing to be at the front and had stats that Rossi could only dream about at this point. He al;so crashed out of 2 races while leading if my memory serves me.
225 points scored
3 Wins
2 2nds
4 3rds
3 poles
4 fastest lap
99 laps led
225 points scored
3 Wins
2 2nds
4 3rds
3 poles
4 fastest lap
99 laps led
Yes so maybe the comments now should be:
"Rossi is not even trying and just waiting for 2012." Maybe he should hand his salary back and they can get the WSBK team going again.
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south wales UK
it was ducati's inconsistency id say, not taking note and going in there own direction, trying to iron out perminant problems with the bike which i dont think was possible or is possible today without some major upgrades/rediesign....and also trying a million different settings...... how can a rider ride the way they want when everytime you get on the bike it feels different.
stoner was only having front enders cos he was pushing the envelope to much on a bike tht has issues.
This is it all above for the Duc team - they had the rider to keep getting the results but all the whinging - broken bikes CS still couldn't get them to act - right move buddy abandon ship !, a pity really could have been such a powerful combination for a long time.
Anyway back on topic Lorenso : We need some-zing ?! lets see what can they do ? you could always steal a honda frame and motor
G'day all,
I have not missed a race since 1986, and as far as this year and the bikes go.....it's all par for the course.
Yamaha may or may not have lost the way a bit without JB and Rossi. Undoubtably they would have helped to tickle the current bike along a bit longer though.
Ducati's inherent problem is the frame ( too short and stiff) and the crankshaft mass. This is causing it to push wider than they would like in corners. Stoner had them chasing suspension for the last two years, and while this would have some effect in the odd race, it was not the answer. JB and Rossi ( JB relies on good feedback, and has never had twits for riders) have identified this problem, however little can be done with the current frame.
Next years bike is said to be addressing the problem. This is from interviews I have watched with JB on the box here in Australia.
As for Honda, well...they're back. Is this down to Pedrosa's input over the last 4 or 5 years, or did they fluke it ( All Jap manufacturers are notorious for " It's not the bike, it's the rider).
either way, it's the bike to be on this year.
Good luck to Stoner for making the jump.
Me personally......I think he's a whinging little ...., and makes me ashamed to be Australian.
Don't get me wrong, I am not criticising his ability......just the way he carries himself.
If anyone dare be able to keep up to, or have a good balls out race with him.....he crys.
Sook.
Rossi's rides on the Duck this year have been as good as Stoners in the last two years, with the exception Rossi has fallen off less often, and has not whinged.
I hope Simoncelli doesn't let these two ( Lorenzo and Stoner) get to him. He does need to tame it down a bit, but those two are trying to get inside his head, and get the world against him, 'cause they know this bloke is a real threat. Especially if he ever gets a factory bike.
Bit rough around the edges at present, but so was Rossi in 125's and 250's..........Lorenzo's first seasons riding was almost a dead ringer for Simoncelli's.....so he should just shut the hell up.
Then again, being a hypocrite doesn't seem to bother him.
Again, nothing to do with his riding ability. The bloke can ride.......just comes across as a whinging, hypocritical .....
As for Danny Pedrosa....this bloke deserves a break ( just not another bone !!), having said that.......
Danni, that move up the inside was never going to stick, and you appeared to be second guessing yourself all the way up the inside.
Hope he gets well soon and sticks it to Lorenzo and Stoner (especially Stoner)
First post, Thanks for reading.
It's only my oppinion, not gospel, and I try to be as factual as I can when refering to the bikes.
The rest,...well.....just oppinions.
PS, Thank you to any poms who were responsible for Boo-ing Stoner at Donnington.
Made my day
PPS watch Spies and Crutchlow........can't wait till they get going !!!!
I have not missed a race since 1986, and as far as this year and the bikes go.....it's all par for the course.
Yamaha may or may not have lost the way a bit without JB and Rossi. Undoubtably they would have helped to tickle the current bike along a bit longer though.
Ducati's inherent problem is the frame ( too short and stiff) and the crankshaft mass. This is causing it to push wider than they would like in corners. Stoner had them chasing suspension for the last two years, and while this would have some effect in the odd race, it was not the answer. JB and Rossi ( JB relies on good feedback, and has never had twits for riders) have identified this problem, however little can be done with the current frame.
Next years bike is said to be addressing the problem. This is from interviews I have watched with JB on the box here in Australia.
As for Honda, well...they're back. Is this down to Pedrosa's input over the last 4 or 5 years, or did they fluke it ( All Jap manufacturers are notorious for " It's not the bike, it's the rider).
either way, it's the bike to be on this year.
Good luck to Stoner for making the jump.
Me personally......I think he's a whinging little ...., and makes me ashamed to be Australian.
Don't get me wrong, I am not criticising his ability......just the way he carries himself.
If anyone dare be able to keep up to, or have a good balls out race with him.....he crys.
Sook.
Rossi's rides on the Duck this year have been as good as Stoners in the last two years, with the exception Rossi has fallen off less often, and has not whinged.
I hope Simoncelli doesn't let these two ( Lorenzo and Stoner) get to him. He does need to tame it down a bit, but those two are trying to get inside his head, and get the world against him, 'cause they know this bloke is a real threat. Especially if he ever gets a factory bike.
Bit rough around the edges at present, but so was Rossi in 125's and 250's..........Lorenzo's first seasons riding was almost a dead ringer for Simoncelli's.....so he should just shut the hell up.
Then again, being a hypocrite doesn't seem to bother him.
Again, nothing to do with his riding ability. The bloke can ride.......just comes across as a whinging, hypocritical .....
As for Danny Pedrosa....this bloke deserves a break ( just not another bone !!), having said that.......
Danni, that move up the inside was never going to stick, and you appeared to be second guessing yourself all the way up the inside.
Hope he gets well soon and sticks it to Lorenzo and Stoner (especially Stoner)
First post, Thanks for reading.
It's only my oppinion, not gospel, and I try to be as factual as I can when refering to the bikes.
The rest,...well.....just oppinions.
PS, Thank you to any poms who were responsible for Boo-ing Stoner at Donnington.
Made my day
PPS watch Spies and Crutchlow........can't wait till they get going !!!!
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Fred Gassit my arse ..... thats Reg. or Talps. or woody or the like
its actually extremely very un-"Gassit like". Something tells me Gassit would be right at home with Stoner on the farm ...... indeed the real Gassit would have been fishing with Casey whilst laughing at you whingin Poms
Fishing with Stoner !!??......bullfaarginshityacahn!!!!!!! Iwas trying to slip in a few niceties before I got going !!!!! Didn't wana upset cahns by comin' straight out on the charge like a Malle bull with a case of piles , did I ??!!
I am at the knock shop with Croz and Phatty Phillis, plotting to tie Crysie Stonehead to a Telepole naked at the Cross.
Stupid sookie little cahn he is.
Dowson and Magee said they've got dibs on crow peckin' him.
Can't ride with an upset little tum-tum......
WHAT!!!!
Just wait till Granma finds out !!!....she'll tan his sorry hide from here to goonda-bloody-windi !!!!
Doohan's on the way round to shove his ol' leg brace up his clacker and tell him to man up !!!!
What has become of the Aussie youth of today ???
Pooftas !!!!
Vermulen, you're excused.....so are you West.
PS.........McCoy reckons he's gunna give him a sportier haircut..... should make him look the goods anyway.......chiorboypooftalookinsookielala..........geeze.....Idunno.
Fred.
Don't ever doubt who I am again !!!
........bloody tol' Granma that Ita Buttrose finishin' school would do me no favours !.......
Goodonya Bazz.......
I am at the knock shop with Croz and Phatty Phillis, plotting to tie Crysie Stonehead to a Telepole naked at the Cross.
Stupid sookie little cahn he is.
Dowson and Magee said they've got dibs on crow peckin' him.
Can't ride with an upset little tum-tum......
WHAT!!!!
Just wait till Granma finds out !!!....she'll tan his sorry hide from here to goonda-bloody-windi !!!!
Doohan's on the way round to shove his ol' leg brace up his clacker and tell him to man up !!!!
What has become of the Aussie youth of today ???
Pooftas !!!!
Vermulen, you're excused.....so are you West.
PS.........McCoy reckons he's gunna give him a sportier haircut..... should make him look the goods anyway.......chiorboypooftalookinsookielala..........geeze.....Idunno.
Fred.
Don't ever doubt who I am again !!!
........bloody tol' Granma that Ita Buttrose finishin' school would do me no favours !.......
Goodonya Bazz.......
I see you modified your post Fizzle....well, I won't. Have the guts to say what you say and let it stand.
And I don't go for that blind parochial flag waving ........ either. Just 'cause he's Australian doesn't mean squat to me....plenty of other Aussies, with better attitudes. If I did go for the mindless flag waving crap, I'd be a Ford or Holden man......or god forbid, be affiliated to an AFL football club.
Disgrace 'cause I don't like a little sook ??
How many other riders have been booed ??
Speaks for it ....... self !
....not even the likes of Biaggi or Kosinski.
Yellow tainted world.
Hardie fucken har you .......
Said it had nothing to do with his ability, just the way he carries himself. Anytime someone can race with him, their dangerous.
Grow a brain halfwit,....I've been passionately watching this sport for a bloody long time, and save for Biaggi, there has never been two bigger sooks than Stoner and Lorenzo.
....and Stoner is leading on ....... points in that championship.
Oh, I know, lets hope that the Stoners and Lorenzo's of the world win their little "Everybody else is dangerous" point, then just like F1, we can have races where everyone is too scared to put a move on at all for fear of a penalty, and riveting races like last weekend become the norm.
This little cry baby is what were supposed to be proud of, after Doohan,Mccoy, Magge, Beattie, West, Vermuelen and Gardner ? How many times did they get Booed ? Doohan rode with half his bloody leg bleeding and unable to bend.
Guess what ? I thought Doohan was a bit arrogant in his way as well......but he never bloody sooked or carried on, so I shut my mouth and was proud for every other aspect of the way he carried himself.
Guess what else ?? What your little amoeba self and me think matters sweet fark all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's all just talking ...., and should be pleasant , funny banter.
Rossi's spot on.....Sook only likes winning by seconds, if anyone can race with him....they're dangerous.
Name one other Australian rider with such a reputation, and if you're calling the shots....who's the ....... disgrace. Me.....I wouldn't go that far.
I hope he improves with age and maturity.
As for you, I said it's only an opinion you smartarsecahn, and if all you can do is put .... on people for having one, rather than have the brains and facts to back up your own feeble point of veiw and add to a discussion, then .... off.
Talpa my arse you spinless little .....
Call me a disgrace you amoeba.
Come at me will ya. Your mouth and opoinions that big in public ( you know, out with real people), or are you the sheep whispering in the corner?
Nice cahn you are.
Oh..I see you live in the "NannyState"............hardy fucken har.No wonder your so bitter.
PS...what the fark is crash net ..............I'm not on the computer my whole life.....I tend to go riding.
And I don't go for that blind parochial flag waving ........ either. Just 'cause he's Australian doesn't mean squat to me....plenty of other Aussies, with better attitudes. If I did go for the mindless flag waving crap, I'd be a Ford or Holden man......or god forbid, be affiliated to an AFL football club.
Disgrace 'cause I don't like a little sook ??
How many other riders have been booed ??
Speaks for it ....... self !
....not even the likes of Biaggi or Kosinski.
Yellow tainted world.
Hardie fucken har you .......
Said it had nothing to do with his ability, just the way he carries himself. Anytime someone can race with him, their dangerous.
Grow a brain halfwit,....I've been passionately watching this sport for a bloody long time, and save for Biaggi, there has never been two bigger sooks than Stoner and Lorenzo.
....and Stoner is leading on ....... points in that championship.
Oh, I know, lets hope that the Stoners and Lorenzo's of the world win their little "Everybody else is dangerous" point, then just like F1, we can have races where everyone is too scared to put a move on at all for fear of a penalty, and riveting races like last weekend become the norm.
This little cry baby is what were supposed to be proud of, after Doohan,Mccoy, Magge, Beattie, West, Vermuelen and Gardner ? How many times did they get Booed ? Doohan rode with half his bloody leg bleeding and unable to bend.
Guess what ? I thought Doohan was a bit arrogant in his way as well......but he never bloody sooked or carried on, so I shut my mouth and was proud for every other aspect of the way he carried himself.
Guess what else ?? What your little amoeba self and me think matters sweet fark all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's all just talking ...., and should be pleasant , funny banter.
Rossi's spot on.....Sook only likes winning by seconds, if anyone can race with him....they're dangerous.
Name one other Australian rider with such a reputation, and if you're calling the shots....who's the ....... disgrace. Me.....I wouldn't go that far.
I hope he improves with age and maturity.
As for you, I said it's only an opinion you smartarsecahn, and if all you can do is put .... on people for having one, rather than have the brains and facts to back up your own feeble point of veiw and add to a discussion, then .... off.
Talpa my arse you spinless little .....
Call me a disgrace you amoeba.
Come at me will ya. Your mouth and opoinions that big in public ( you know, out with real people), or are you the sheep whispering in the corner?
Nice cahn you are.
Oh..I see you live in the "NannyState"............hardy fucken har.No wonder your so bitter.
PS...what the fark is crash net ..............I'm not on the computer my whole life.....I tend to go riding.
