Lorenzo to confirm 2010 plans next week.MotoGp.com

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Aug 21 2009, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when stoner raced a Honda he kept falling off. Right now he's sick & can't fulfill his contract, if & when he will recover (hope he does) & if he will be competitive is a ??? Other thing for lorenzo if he goes to duc is that he will lose the best development & test rider (rossi) if he can help develop the stonerduc to be competitive is ?? But then kallio is doing the best job so far than anyone else with the 800

How do you see Kallio as "doing the best job so far with the 800?" He is 23 points behind Hayden and the third Ducati in the field. Nicky ran away from him toward the end of the last race and is leading him in the championship. I would contend that other than CS, Hayden has been more successful than the last three riders to occupy that seat with more racing left in the season.

I contend that by the end of the year, Nicky will be the most successful second seat factory rider Ducati has seen in a very long time. There is no award for that and I'm not so sure it's an enviable position, but the bike is very hard to ride and Nicky is fairing better than the last 2 victems and outpacing Kallio at the moment. He deserves a great deal of credit for what he has endured and the effort he has made.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 21 2009, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can you just imagine the hatred for lorenzo if he takes the ducati seat at the cost of stoners job. Many here have stated they had done a 180 on lorenzo since his 250 days. some have bayed for rossi fans to hate him because he is challenging him but ive yet to see this. will the stoner fans love him or hate him if he switches ? i know where my money is .
Try this on for size. If stoner is out then so be it. GO Jorge!!! Yes I have done a 180 on the dude after he showed his toughness in battle. That kind of attitude is what I value in a teammate so that is why I have to give it up and five him props. No matter what machice a rider is on if he had it then he has it. So it comes down to Stoner. I really hope he is sick and not pulling some weid .... cause Nicky got a special pro model to sell in the US or for whatever excuse. I would then have to do a 180 on Stoner and side with CUrve on the ..... angle. It amazes me how even though your not really sick with broken bones and .... you can't ride the bike. Get some 5 hour energy or give the dude something in the way of a pick me up. But if it is something like a virus and it messes with your energy and stomach I feel for him. We should know in due time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 21 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try this on for size. If stoner is out then so be it. GO Jorge!!! Yes I have done a 180 on the dude after he showed his toughness in battle. That kind of attitude is what I value in a teammate so that is why I have to give it up and five him props. No matter what machice a rider is on if he had it then he has it. So it comes down to Stoner. I really hope he is sick and not pulling some weid .... cause Nicky got a special pro model to sell in the US or for whatever excuse. I would then have to do a 180 on Stoner and side with CUrve on the ..... angle. It amazes me how even though your not really sick with broken bones and .... you can't ride the bike. Get some 5 hour energy or give the dude something in the way of a pick me up. But if it is something like a virus and it messes with your energy and stomach I feel for him. We should know in due time.
The motogp soap opera is more interesting than the racing these days WTF !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Aug 21 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when stoner raced a Honda he kept falling off. Right now he's sick & can't fulfill his contract, if & when he will recover (hope he does) & if he will be competitive is a ??? Other thing for lorenzo if he goes to duc is that he will lose the best development & test rider (rossi) if he can help develop the stonerduc to be competitive is ?? But then kallio is doing the best job so far than anyone else with the 800

Stoner rode a satellite Honda in his rookie year, on second choice Michelins, and impressed everybody. On a factory Honda in 2010, on regular Bridgestones, in his 5th year in MotoGP, Stoner (if healthy) would be a helluva bad customer for anybody.

"Dream" Teams fr 2010:

<u>Yamaha</u>: Rossi - Pedrosa

<u>Honda HRC</u>: Stoner - Dovizioso

<u>Ducati</u>: Lorenzo - Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 21 2009, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try this on for size. If stoner is out then so be it. GO Jorge!!! Yes I have done a 180 on the dude after he showed his toughness in battle. That kind of attitude is what I value in a teammate so that is why I have to give it up and five him props. No matter what machice a rider is on if he had it then he has it. So it comes down to Stoner. I really hope he is sick and not pulling some weid .... cause Nicky got a special pro model to sell in the US or for whatever excuse. I would then have to do a 180 on Stoner and side with CUrve on the ..... angle. It amazes me how even though your not really sick with broken bones and .... you can't ride the bike. Get some 5 hour energy or give the dude something in the way of a pick me up. But if it is something like a virus and it messes with your energy and stomach I feel for him. We should know in due time.

C'mon Rock. This is some dumb .... stuff to say. You can't accept that a racer could
have a illness that isn't the result of a crash? Racers get the same spectrum of diseases
that the rest of the world get; cancer, heart disease, shingles, AIDS, etc. Why is that
so hard to accept? As Stoner fans go, yer starting to sound like a real fair-weather friend.

My dream is a bit different and includes 1000cc bikes

Repsol Honda Team
Dani Pedrosa, Jorge Lorenzo

Scot Racing Team MotoGP
Gabor Talmacsi, Hiroshi Aoyama

Ducati Marlboro Team
Nicky Hayden, Casey Stoner

Kawasaki
Toni Elias, Jamie Hacking

Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Ben Spies, Cal Crutchlow

Pramac Racing
Mattia Pasini, Michael Fabrizio

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 21 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can you just imagine the hatred for lorenzo if he takes the ducati seat at the cost of stoners job. Many here have stated they had done a 180 on lorenzo since his 250 days. some have bayed for rossi fans to hate him because he is challenging him but ive yet to see this. will the stoner fans love him or hate him if he switches ? i know where my money is .


Rog, may I jump in?

I agree with what you say and personally I (much the same as you) suspect taht Lorenzo is not being bought to replace Hayden, but to replace Stoner as there is far more to the issue than we know at this point. I do not believe that there is anything definite but feel that Ducati/Marlboro have made a pre-emptive strike to secure someone they feel to be suitable to publicise their brand.

I do think that some will 'hate' Lorenzo because of the move (if it occurs), whether that hate be because he replaces Stoner or Hayden, or whether it be jealousy due to the money on offer or some other reason that suits the feeble mind of the time. Facts are that today people who say that they are 'fans' hate riders (as opposed to disrespect) for a great many reasons and sadly for some it could well be in this case Lorenzo whereas he has only made a business decision.

I know that I won't hate Lorenzo if he is to replace Stoner as I do not hate any rider (hate is a strong word), nor will I be death riding hoping he fails. I will however be watching with keen interest as to the success of how the move goes as I will be genuinely interested to see how he gets along with the Ducati and whichever team-mate he has.







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 21 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It amazes me how even though your not really sick with broken bones and .... you can't ride the bike. Get some 5 hour energy or give the dude something in the way of a pick me up. But if it is something like a virus and it messes with your energy and stomach I feel for him. We should know in due time.

Rock, with respect, while I understand the frustration in the message the facts remain that often the non clear physical injuries can be the hardest from which to recover.

As an example, look at concussion which is the result of a physical injury. From the outside the eprson may look and appear totally normal, but when it comes time for concentration or another trigger that person may be incapable of functioning to teh levels required for that task. As teh result they cannot complete the said task and in context of motorcports, that means a dangerous situation. Additionally with concussion it can last from a short period to a far longer period of time (days, and in rare cases weeks) during which the sufferer can appear 100% fit.

Not saying that is the case with Stoner but it is conditions like concussion that cannot be 'needled up' as with muscular injuries to allow the person to perform. There are some illnesses that the magic pain killer cannot solve and such things as tiredness etc are amongst them, or of course a short term cure could involve illegal substances (ie. steroids, illegal drugs etc).

But as you say, I hope that he finds the problem, can have it treated and can regain his health, but for me whether he returns to the sport is entirely his call (after all, if the sport is the problem, why return - just hypothetical there).







Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 21 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, may I jump in?

I agree with what you say and personally I (much the same as you) suspect taht Lorenzo is not being bought to replace Hayden, but to replace Stoner as there is far more to the issue than we know at this point. I do not believe that there is anything definite but feel that Ducati/Marlboro have made a pre-emptive strike to secure someone they feel to be suitable to publicise their brand.

I do think that some will 'hate' Lorenzo because of the move (if it occurs), whether that hate be because he replaces Stoner or Hayden, or whether it be jealousy due to the money on offer or some other reason that suits the feeble mind of the time. Facts are that today people who say that they are 'fans' hate riders (as opposed to disrespect) for a great many reasons and sadly for some it could well be in this case Lorenzo whereas he has only made a business decision.

I know that I won't hate Lorenzo if he is to replace Stoner as I do not hate any rider (hate is a strong word), nor will I be death riding hoping he fails. I will however be watching with keen interest as to the success of how the move goes as I will be genuinely interested to see how he gets along with the Ducati and whichever team-mate he has.







Garry
I don't disagree that Lorenzo will ultimately replace Stoner. I just don't think it will happen until after next season. I think that sacking Stoner would prove too costly for Ducati, not merely in buying Stoner out but by what it would do to their image to other riders. If you were a factory level rider, would you want to ride for a manufacturer that was looking for excuses to get rid of you despite your success? I understand the PR game is very much apart of a rider's responsibility but given Stoner's success, it must take a back seat to what he's accomplished.

I just think sacking Stoner would set a precedent that Ducati are even more difficult to ride for than Honda.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 22 2009, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't disagree that Lorenzo will ultimately replace Stoner. I just don't think it will happen until after next season. I think that sacking Stoner would prove too costly for Ducati, not merely in buying Stoner out but by what it would do to their image to other riders. If you were a factory level rider, would you want to ride for a manufacturer that was looking for excuses to get rid of you despite your success? I understand the PR game is very much apart of a rider's responsibility but given Stoner's success, it must take a back seat to what he's accomplished.

I just think sacking Stoner would set a precedent that Ducati are even more difficult to ride for than Honda.


I agree Austin, but then Ducati did not really show any loyalty to Capirex who had, until 2007 been their most successful rider in terms of race results and points collected euring the 990cc era. They were very quick to make him unwelcome once they had signed Melandri for 2008 as they could hardly have gotten rid of Stoner given his performances in 2007 (although the fact he was on a one year contract would lead to believe that to be the intention).

Certainly Ducati did reportedly make a belated offer to Capirex for a third factory bike but he had seen the writing and instead headed to Suzuki.

No, to me I would not put it past Ducati at all plus if there is a push from Phillip Morris as well, then it is far from the realms of possibility as what was sport os now business, and in business loyalty doesn't exist.

I honestly hope that I am wrong and that Stoner is not being pushed out (leaving of his own accord is different altogether) and I strongly suspect that we will not know until after Phillip Island (I fully expect CS to race there).





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 21 2009, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, to me I would not put it past Ducati at all plus if there is a push from Phillip Morris as well, then it is far from the realms of possibility as what was sport os now business, and in business loyalty doesn't exist.

I honestly hope that I am wrong and that Stoner is not being pushed out (leaving of his own accord is different altogether) and I strongly suspect that we will not know until after Phillip Island (I fully expect CS to race there).





Gaz
I also wouldn't put it past them given their history, but I would hope they have more sense than that. For their sake. I can't imagine Stoner wanting to stay there after 2010.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 22 2009, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey is in breach of contract AFAIK. Ducati and Marlboro can do what they want.
This is one of the funniest posts I have read on this site.

He's breached the contract? Which term of the contract is that(you've obviously seen the contract to make that judgment..)?
Finally, I wasn't aware that this entitles Ducati and Malboro to 'do what they want'. It's not a remedy that I've ever seen awarded by a court.

Have you noticed he got renewed deal from Yamaha? I wonder if they renew it after the Duc offer is confirmed. They cannot pay as much as Duc, but seem to be very serious to try to keep him at least.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Aug 21 2009, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is how I think it will shake out. Yamaha is tearing apart the couch right now, looking for loose change. They will counter offer throwing in $1 mil more. This will be enough to keep Lorenzo seated I think. Yamaha doesn't want to see double podiums disappear anytime soon.

I doubt it, Yamaha said from the beginning that they had an offer they intended to stay on and not raise. Here we talk about more than a small raise even if the $13 mill is over two years.
Yamaha is much more a known quantity for JLo and think the difference in offers are reflecting that. It all comes down to what he wants: Ride or money. If his managers word are anything to go by they already chosen the Yamaha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 22 2009, 04:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try this on for size. If stoner is out then so be it. GO Jorge!!! Yes I have done a 180 on the dude after he showed his toughness in battle. That kind of attitude is what I value in a teammate so that is why I have to give it up and five him props. No matter what machice a rider is on if he had it then he has it. So it comes down to Stoner. I really hope he is sick and not pulling some weid .... cause Nicky got a special pro model to sell in the US or for whatever excuse. I would then have to do a 180 on Stoner and side with CUrve on the ..... angle. It amazes me how even though your not really sick with broken bones and .... you can't ride the bike. Get some 5 hour energy or give the dude something in the way of a pick me up. But if it is something like a virus and it messes with your energy and stomach I feel for him. We should know in due time.

You ROCKCOCK are what id class as a HYPOCRITE.. OK and ill tell you why.

Whenever Rossi fans here have something that you dont agree with about Stoner you go Mad.
Yet now that Stoners future is uncertain, and J-LO may be going to Ducati, you start saying .... like, ive always liked J-LO, infact i might just do a complete 180 and start liking him. Then to go on and say .... like Stoner may be pulling some weird ...., and they should give him some 5 hr energy to pick him up. You know .... All about .... All ok, thats why no one here takes what you post seriously, and when someone calls you out on the ........ you spread then you just threaten them with Legal Action. Dumb ....

Im a loyal fan of Stoner, this is true but i dont have Tunnel Vision like you, i am open minded. When Rossi wins then i think good on him, i dont make excuses for Casey like you do. I reall hope J-LO goes to Ducati, and if i were Casey id go to Yamaha and tell them to pay out my contract for 2010 and ill ride for Free, with bonus incentives for race wins.

.... Ducati, .... Livio Suppo, oh and .... You Rock ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Aug 22 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if i were Casey id go to Yamaha and tell them to pay out my contract for 2010 and ill ride for Free, with bonus incentives for race wins.

I wonder if you are not the nearest to correct on the whole dealio ????

How about this ....... its pretty damn obvious the Duc. is a dog, 07 merely proved that Stoner is the real deal ( especially winning n a Duc. ) All attempts to get another rider to perform on the Duc. have sunk several dozen more nails into the "Ducati is great" myth. One guy is affected more than anyone else in the world by this ........ Stoner .......... he has proven to himself he can do it, so now that it has been confirmed the Duc. is a dog, he must want more than anyone to get a decent ride.

How to do it ..... looks like he's stuck in a contract till 2010 .... maybe Stoners dad has more savvy than one would think and has figured out a way ...... does seem funny Stoner is sick and all and "unable to ride" .......... why that would possibly get Duc. to terminate him ...... no payout needed by anyone then!

So where does that leave Ducati ......... if Stoner walks ...... they are "up .... creek" ......

how desperate would they be to procure another rider to win on the Duc. then?

Looooooots of money to Lorenzo thats how desperate

Sadly I think if Lorenzo goes Duc., he will merely be another casualty on the pile of used riders that have been accumulating in the train wreck that is Ducati.


As Rog. on this forum keeps saying "Stoner is the new Doohan" .... and I think Rog. is right!

but I also think perhaps, maybe, hush hush, you never know but ....... "Stoner may also be the new Rossi" ..... ie. ..... Yamaha ..... may get him somehow?

Imagine this ..... Rossi another year then retire, still has JB ...... Stoner has whomsoever for a year then when Rossi goes ........ JB gets his wish and has Stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Aug 21 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C'mon Rock. This is some dumb .... stuff to say. You can't accept that a racer could
have a illness that isn't the result of a crash? Racers get the same spectrum of diseases
that the rest of the world get; cancer, heart disease, shingles, AIDS, etc. Why is that
so hard to accept? As Stoner fans go, yer starting to sound like a real fair-weather friend.
only broken bones count i guess.

K9 that post was halarious.
Babel, u finally hav a good take.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 23 2009, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if you are not the nearest to correct on the whole dealio ????

How about this ....... its pretty damn obvious the Duc. is a dog, 07 merely proved that Stoner is the real deal ( especially winning n a Duc. ) All attempts to get another rider to perform on the Duc. have sunk several dozen more nails into the "Ducati is great" myth. One guy is affected more than anyone else in the world by this ........ Stoner .......... he has proven to himself he can do it, so now that it has been confirmed the Duc. is a dog, he must want more than anyone to get a decent ride.

How to do it ..... looks like he's stuck in a contract till 2010 .... maybe Stoners dad has more savvy than one would think and has figured out a way ...... does seem funny Stoner is sick and all and "unable to ride" .......... why that would possibly get Duc. to terminate him ...... no payout needed by anyone then!

So where does that leave Ducati ......... if Stoner walks ...... they are "up .... creek" ......

how desperate would they be to procure another rider to win on the Duc. then?

Looooooots of money to Lorenzo thats how desperate

Sadly I think if Lorenzo goes Duc., he will merely be another casualty on the pile of used riders that have been accumulating in the train wreck that is Ducati.


As Rog. on this forum keeps saying "Stoner is the new Doohan" .... and I think Rog. is right!

but I also think perhaps, maybe, hush hush, you never know but ....... "Stoner may also be the new Rossi" ..... ie. ..... Yamaha ..... may get him somehow?

Imagine this ..... Rossi another year then retire, still has JB ...... Stoner has whomsoever for a year then when Rossi goes ........ JB gets his wish and has Stoner

I think theres something big going on behind the scenes. Why would Ducati offer J-LO 6-8 Million a year? They have never paid any rider close to that amount. Mabe there was a big Shitfight after Donny or at Donnington hence Stoners tyre choice. Casey aint stupid he knew Slicks were the tyres to be on, mabe Casey wanted to prove a point. I beleive that Casey is sick at the moment and i think thats whats pissed Ducati off a bit, as there Doctors say there nothing wrong and Casey says he is still sick and mabe its all come to a head. If i were Caseys Dad id be trying to get outta my contract for 2010, i recon Yamaha would take Casey and if he cant then id sign with Yamaha or Honda for 2011. Its probably the Ducati that has made Casey sick. No one can ride it, and it takes so much energy to it hes been over riding it for nearly 3 years.