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Lorenzo sign with HRC

Aw Mang said:
I guess Marquez is not “blocking” after all.
Second do we know Dorna “helped” Lorenzo with the Honda seat , or is it just another myth like Marquez “blocking”?
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I read a story (rumour) so no proof anywhere but it was claimed to have started around leMans and was said that Marquez approached Lorenzo direct then mentioned it to HRC.

Again, just a story I saw in one of the places I frequent and cannot say that it is correct but you do get a bit of info from time to time
 
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Jumkie said:
I think HRC were in the strong position, Lorenzo's previous track record was his bargaining chip. His stock was down, Honda are the winners here, Lorenzo gets to bask in Honda's shrewd coup.

I'm ok with all of it. I see it as fallout from the 2015 debacle. I also think Lorenzo will do better on RCV than people think. And if he is able to make it more rideable, this benefits Marquez. I'll also add, Marc won't have the luxury of DNFing several times and still winning the title. Then again, as I said in a previous post, if Jlo manages to help make Honda more user-friendly, maybe Marc won't have to ride it like a bat out of hell.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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I hear what you are saying but if you think Lorenzo was looking at having to take a ...... ride, landing probably the best bike on the grid for next year is surely a win for him?

Hopefully, he'll be able to bring something to HRC and him and Marc will find an 'understanding' in their different styles. Lorenzo is capable of fighting if the machine is working underneath him, so let's hope they can keep the fighting on the track.
 
McZee said:
Totally agree in relation to the strength of the team, but if Yam' can sort themselves out, as was the case early last year, their package can be a consistent winner.
But that's a big if.
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What happened last year ( vinales starting out excellently then being hobbled by the tyre fiasco ) confirmed to me that Yamaha are lost and have more interest in rossi and the boppers than actual racing.
 
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BarryMachine said:
What happened last year ( vinales starting out excellently then being hobbled by the tyre fiasco ) confirmed to me that Yamaha are lost and have more interest in rossi and the boppers than actual racing.
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I agree. Sorry to sound all conspiracy but I do think there is something behind Maverick coming in with a ton of form and then turning really crap.
 
payne by name said:
I agree. Sorry to sound all conspiracy but I do think there is something behind Maverick coming in with a ton of form and then turning really crap.
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Lol.
Yamaha is in the business of paying someone millions and ....... with them so that Rossi is happy.

Karel Abraham would have done it for week old sushi.
 
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BarryMachine said:
What happened last year ( vinales starting out excellently then being hobbled by the tyre fiasco ) confirmed to me that Yamaha are lost and have more interest in rossi and the boppers than actual racing.
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That's why I said 'if they can sort themselves out' because a sorted Yam'/tyre packing is quite rapid.
They just have to get it right but it is taking time. We will see how everything comes together with all the rule changes for next year.
 
MadMax said:
That's the best part of all of this. If Lorenzo gets on his game with the Honda, Marc will have to get serious. When Lorenzo is on his game he isn't easily beaten. I remember Marc following him until the end and pouncng in a last minute desparate attempt (much like me trying to spell every word right), at Indy I think; it was his only hope at beating him.

I don't think Lorenzo can do it but it'll be great watching it all play out.
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Marc won rather easily at Indy every time. There was one race where he followed Lorenzo for much of the race then passed him and pulled away. Nothing I would call desperate.
 
McZee said:
That's why I said 'if they can sort themselves out' because a sorted Yam'/tyre packing is quite rapid.
They just have to get it right but it is taking time. We will see how everything comes together with all the rule changes for next year.
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They probably needed Jorge to sort it at this stage in proceedings though imo. I can’t see Vinales, or a rising 40 Rossi with current crew doing so, and most importantly Furusawa has retired.
 
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No more "biscotto' now that they are in the same team it is expected that one helps the other that late in the season.
 
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McZee said:
That's why I said 'if they can sort themselves out' because a sorted Yam'/tyre packing is quite rapid.
They just have to get it right but it is taking time. We will see how everything comes together with all the rule changes for next year.
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I don't think I'm going out on a limb here. There's no way Lorenzo is going to be a threat to MM. Most likely he'll produce better results than Crutchlow, but he's just not going to gel with something that demands to be beaten and rung out. The Honda is like Agnostic Front, and Lorenzo is more a Sade kind of guy.
 
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povol said:
Marc won rather easily at Indy every time. There was one race where he followed Lorenzo for much of the race then passed him and pulled away. Nothing I would call desperate.
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Fair enough. I'm going by memory and perhaps desperate is a bad word choice.

What I was getting at is that it wasn't a given that Marc could beat Jorge when Jorge was on his game.
 
cucoloco said:
No more "biscotto' now that they are in the same team it is expected that one helps the other that late in the season.
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When will we see the first meme of Jlo & Marc conspiring, memes 2.0

Has Dim Jarvis commented on the block buster signing? I'd love to see his face when he got the news.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Keshav said:
I don't think I'm going out on a limb here. There's no way Lorenzo is going to be a threat to MM. Most likely he'll produce better results than Crutchlow, but he's just not going to gel with something that demands to be beaten and rung out. The Honda is like Agnostic Front, and Lorenzo is more a Sade kind of guy.
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Respectfully disagree.

Marquez is in another class at the moment sure, and I'm not saying Lorenzo will be a consistent threat from day 1 but as he has shown on the Ducati, he will get it at some point.

Pedrosa is by far the smallest rider in GP (maybe ever?) and he has continually proven people wrong who said he could never be competitive on a 1000cc bike, specifically a Honda. A lot of Honda's problems have been acceleration, meaning they have had to work the front too hard in braking to make up time. There is no way on earth that the RCV chassis is worse than the Desmo. Do you see a thumb brake on the Honda to steer the damn thing around the corner? That's a band aid by Ducati to try and get around the root cause, that they still have a bike that understeers at corner mid point.

Dani has had a bad yr, but he has been relatively competitive nearly all of his seasons and last year when he wasn't it was due to his minute stature not having enough weight to heat up the tyres, a problem Lorenzo won't directly have.

He hasn't suddenly forgotten how to ride, as Sunday showed. Not even Dovi has won a race in such dominant fashion on the Ducati. With Ducati putting all their eggs in the Dovi basket they won't win the championship. He rode well last yr but benefited from a perfect storm and being the underdog. He went into this season as a championship challenger and has crumbled after winning the first race. He couldn't pass his team mate in Jerez, binned it from the lead in Le Mans and had if not been for Marquez' brain farts in Argentina and Mugello he wouldn't even be within a sniff of the points lead. Petrucci is the paddock nice guy, and may pull off a win or two, but he isn't championship material.

I'm not saying Lorenzo will dominate Marquez, but I very much doutbt Marquez will wipe the floor with him for 2 seasons either.
 
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