Lorenzo and Marquez given bodyguards for Mugello

JPSLotus said:

Serious question Dani, it bothers you a great deal this forum for the most part minus a small minority, doesn't like or care for Rossi at all, why post here? Instead of trying to be some contrarian who frankly, ....... sucks at it, I could point you in the general direction of any number of forums that you'd enjoy more since they like Rossi more.

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Bargain bucket

JPSLotus said:

Gaz, since the issue has been completely about MM and JL because Rossi accused them of conspiring to .... him out of the title, he should have absolutely mentioned them by name.

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Agree JPS, the issue is with two riders only ............. or is it?

JPSLotus said:

You make the mistake of thinking this is an either or proposition with saying the riders need to be respected. You can mention the riders, AND MENTION THE RIDERS WHO YOU LIED ABOUT as a way to cover up your inability to ride fast enough to secure the title.

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No, I make no mistake (well the wife did not say I made a mistake so I mustn't have) and am fully aware that he could have mentioned riders by name, but I also am fully conversant that given the time that has passed since all this started and that he has not made any conciliatory comments, he is very tightly bound in a corner

Being a very proud individual and still believing that he is 100% correct (no doubt he believes it), then any form of individual apology would come across as a major backflip which teh pride will not allow, and thus an all encompassing apology is seen to please the masses whilst saying nothing.

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He talks about respecting the riders, yet refuses to make amends with MM, and made tons of .... comments to Lorenzo....and gave tacit approval to the fans to do what they have done for months. He says a couple of vague ........ words about respecting all riders in late May when he had every opportunity to make a statement over half a year ago and refused to do so, and suddenly a few Rossi defenders in this topic suddenly think this is worthy of praising? lol it's hilarious how low the bar is set that you have a couple of morons jizzing in their pants over one of the worst acknowledgements you could get.

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To much water under the bridge for smoothing it out - on all 3 sides one suspects, although I do think that MM is the most likely to want to go back 12 months in terms of off track behaviours.

JL and VR I think both feed on this .....

We know that VR has to 'hate' all of those that he considers serious challengers and I feel that JL uses it as motivation so I do not see any real need to thaw there as it would be just a show with no genuine intent.

As was said with the CS/VR incident, an apology is just a media stunt if done in a manner that is unbecoming or disrespectful to the people to whom you are apologising

steeeeeve said:

if he was using the bike as a weapon he wouldn't have slowed to a crawl.

what i am saying is that if he want's the booing to stop he should start with own attitude.
it's not rocket surgery.

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So Steve, if I make a decision to drive my car into you at say 10mph as you are walking down the road, am I using the car as a weapon?

JPSLotus said:

So Steve, if I make a decision to drive my car into you at say 10mph as you are walking down the road, am I using the car as a weapon?

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If you want to talk about a rider using a bike as a weapon by ramming someone, you should be talking about Marquez.

moto vudu said:

Lol at anyone here telling a GP rider what he needs to do. Obviously every rider on the damn grid is doing it right or they wouldn't be there. VR is at the top of the sport, yet he should be listening to motogpforum.com for guidance on what he needs to do? All the GP riders participating on this forum please step forward and let yourselves be known.

Don't like him, don't support him... you wont stop others from liking him and he'll never have to change who he is to appease you.

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You mean like others telling MM to not interfere, or JL to pull his head out of his ass?

Of course VR has no input here, .... knows if he did he would likely piss himself at the comments from all sides and thus all our comments are irrelevant in the big and real world that is motogp (but, FWIW there have been posters in here from the MotoGP paddock in years past - and they were confirmed plus we still have one now)

You have once again read literally that the use of the word NEED seems to be me telling him purely because it is seen as an attack on teh yellow god, it is not me telling him but me suggesting 'THAT WHICH I BELIEVE HE SHOULD DO', being of course a distinct difference.

I have not and would not send an email to 'iaminlovewithvalentino.co.it' or anywhere similar to proffer my advice for I , like you and your website but are miniscule and insignificant little players on this planet

One worships yellow

One worships ....ies

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On the last part ............. totally agree and nor should he change for he has developed the persona for a reason and it has worked well for him. Nor am I asking that he change

Also, I suggest you read back a while and you will see that I have never been a fan of the personality driven riders (Rossi or others) and have stated that since joining this place

Unlike many who need the personality to attract them to a sport, I prefer the artistry of the sport itself

JPSLotus said:

So Steve, if I make a decision to drive my car into you at say 10mph as you are walking down the road, am I using the car as a weapon?

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why would you do it at 10mph when you could at 90? if you're using it as a weapon it's intended to do damage. more speed more damage. slowing down would mean the opposite.
have you ever driven a car?

Gaz said:

You mean like others telling MM to not interfere, or JL to pull his head out of his ass?

Of course VR has no input here, .... knows if he did he would likely piss himself at the comments from all sides and thus all our comments are irrelevant in the big and real world that is motogp (but, FWIW there have been posters in here from the MotoGP paddock in years past - and they were confirmed plus we still have one now)

You have once again read literally that the use of the word NEED seems to be me telling him purely because it is seen as an attack on teh yellow god, it is not me telling him but me suggesting 'THAT WHICH I BELIEVE HE SHOULD DO', being of course a distinct difference.

I have not and would not send an email to 'iaminlovewithvalentino.co.it' or anywhere similar to proffer my advice for I , like you and your website but are miniscule and insignificant little players on this planet

One worships yellow

One worships ....ies

I know which I am

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Why should VR care about what you believe he should do? Seriously? Does he know who you are?

moto vudu said:

If you want to talk about a rider using a bike as a weapon by ramming someone, you should be talking about Marquez.

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Big difference between deliberate action and accidental or even incidental.

MM has form ............ no doubt (the inexcusable Willarott incident) but if one were to look I am sure we could find samples from all riders where avoidable contact had been made.

And before one raises those yellow sunglasses to assume that is a dig at Lord VR, read my comments (or PM me and I will state again) regarding the Sepang incident from which this neverending stream of vitriolic ........ has emanated

moto vudu said:

Why should VR care about what you believe he should do? Seriously? Does he know who you are?

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Perhaps for the same reasons you so care about what I say.

In short, for no reason for I am just a dog turd to be avoided within the scheme of the wider world am I not, in fact, aren't we all?

As for does he know me personally ........... well you asked .............. nope.

Have I had interactions with him ............... nope

Do I know people that have had direct interactions with him (and this means face to face) ........... yes

But what of you, for if I must answer does the same not befall you?

Gaz said:

Agree JPS, the issue is with two riders only ............. or is it?

No, I make no mistake (well the wife did not say I made a mistake so I mustn't have) and am fully aware that he could have mentioned riders by name, but I also am fully conversant that given the time that has passed since all this started and that he has not made any conciliatory comments, he is very tightly bound in a corner

Being a very proud individual and still believing that he is 100% correct (no doubt he believes it), then any form of individual apology would come across as a major backflip which teh pride will not allow, and thus an all encompassing apology is seen to please the masses whilst saying nothing.

To much water under the bridge for smoothing it out - on all 3 sides one suspects, although I do think that MM is the most likely to want to go back 12 months in terms of off track behaviours.

JL and VR I think both feed on this .....

We know that VR has to 'hate' all of those that he considers serious challengers and I feel that JL uses it as motivation so I do not see any real need to thaw there as it would be just a show with no genuine intent.

As was said with the CS/VR incident, an apology is just a media stunt if done in a manner that is unbecoming or disrespectful to the people to whom you are apologising

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I don't think Rossi believes he is 100% correct. He made up the whole ........ Phillip Island scenario because he knew he was going to lose the title. He first realized it at Aragon when he was bitching at Pedrosa for racing him for position after the race. Like I said, Rossi made excuses the last time the title came down to the the final stretch and he lost it. Actually we could go one further, and say he has a history of throwing fits when things don't go his way. Before you or anyone says so do other riders, no rider ever pulled off the Bridgestone .... he pulled in 2007. Point is, in the wake of 2015, Rossi will never admit to being wrong because he stirred up some real bad ...., and he isn't going to go, "Oh guys, I may have lied about the Spanish conspiracy thing."

For Rossi it was never about hating riders for motivation. He played chickenshit games with most of them to try and get them off their game, only he finally ran into a number of riders who didn't buy into his ........ the way Max and Sete did earlier in his career. I've already talked about this at length elsewhere, where all of the tactics he used in his early career, he has tried to use again only on a much worse scale. The big difference was they were immune to it, and would not back down from him on the track. What all of them did have in common was that they wanted to be friends with Rossi, and that went south once he realized they were all faster than he was. Rossi's entire career success was about trying to gain advantages or remove the advantages other riders had, and he has reacted badly every single time he perceives things to not be weighted in his favor.

What off-track behavior did MM do wrong?

steeeeeve said:

why would you do it at 10mph when you could at 90? if you're using it as a weapon it's intended to do damage. more speed more damage. slowing down would mean the opposite.
have you ever driven a car?

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Answer the question Steve, don't deflect.

If I hit you with the car at 10MPH intentionally, am I using it as a weapon?

Gaz said:

Big difference between deliberate action and accidental or even incidental.

MM has form ............ no doubt (the inexcusable Willarott incident) but if one were to look I am sure we could find samples from all riders where avoidable contact had been made.

And before one raises those yellow sunglasses to assume that is a dig at Lord VR, read my comments (or PM me and I will state again) regarding the Sepang incident from which this neverending stream of vitriolic ........ has emanated

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It is time to move on.

moto vudu said:

If you want to talk about a rider using a bike as a weapon by ramming someone, you should be talking about Marquez.

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I already did a year ago when MM was doing dangerous .... that he stopped doing.

Gaz said:

Perhaps for the same reasons you so care about what I say.

In short, for no reason for I am just a dog turd to be avoided within the scheme of the wider world am I not, in fact, aren't we all?

As for does he know me personally ........... well you asked .............. nope.

Have I had interactions with him ............... nope

Do I know people that have had direct interactions with him (and this means face to face) ........... yes

But what of you, for if I must answer does the same not befall you?

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I like you, I think you're one of the best posters on this site. None of our opinions matter to the riders, which is why I simply enjoy watching them race.

JPSLotus said:

I don't think Rossi believes he is 100% correct. He made up the whole ........ Phillip Island scenario because he knew he was going to lose the title. He first realized it at Aragon when he was bitching at Pedrosa for racing him for position after the race. Like I said, Rossi made excuses the last time the title came down to the the final stretch and he lost it. Actually we could go one further, and say he has a history of throwing fits when things don't go his way. Before you or anyone says so do other riders, no rider ever pulled off the Bridgestone .... he pulled in 2007. Point is, in the wake of 2015, Rossi will never admit to being wrong because he stirred up some real bad ...., and he isn't going to go, "Oh guys, I may have lied about the Spanish conspiracy thing."

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I believe (sorry Vdu, this is an opinion) that Rossi genuinely believed that he was 100% correct but yep, maybe he has softened a little but due to the time that has passed he cannot now retract and save face , and that is actually something I can understand as well given the level of self pride these guys have.

.... it, he is now in a tough place and no matter whether he came out now or in 10 years, he cannot win so staying silent but putting generalised comments may well be the better ploy.

JPSLotus said:

For Rossi it was never about hating riders for motivation. He played chickenshit games with most of them to try and get them off their game, only he finally ran into a number of riders who didn't buy into his ........ the way Max and Sete did earlier in his career. I've already talked about this at length elsewhere, where all of the tactics he used in his early career, he has tried to use again only on a much worse scale. The big difference was they were immune to it, and would not back down from him on the track. What all of them did have in common was that they wanted to be friends with Rossi, and that went south once he realized they were all faster than he was. Rossi's entire career success was about trying to gain advantages or remove the advantages other riders had, and he has reacted badly every single time he perceives things to not be weighted in his favor.

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Never said (or meant to infer) that VR's hatred was motivation based, it wasn't, well not to improve his motivation as he does not need it.

JPSLotus said:

What off-track behavior did MM do wrong?

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None of which I am aware.

I refer to non-race so meaning more the post race stuff

I call off track anything before red goes out and after the chequer

Daniboy said:

It is time to move on.

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Dani, seriously for a second .............. IMO only though

The Willarott incident was a disgrace ........ I said it at the time and will state again that the punishment inflicted on MM was a feather slap ............ the guy 'and his team' should have had more serious punishment applied (but then, I am a hard prick on punishment as well)

That all said, I do also wonder if that incident and the eye/head issues suffered by MM did contribute to visibility or depth perception type of issues at times when he races that thus cause contact (said that at the Sepang thread as well)

Genuinely I do hope that he is 100% not affected but the injury he suffered with the eyes and head were said to have been quite severe (was not the Willarott incident that caused it but about that time)

And thankfully, Willarott recovered

moto vudu said:

I like you, I think you're one of the best posters on this site. None of our opinions matter to the riders, which is why I simply enjoy watching them race.

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Going off track.

Are you a kiwi by chance?

Asking as I was a fan of the rider displayed in one of the pics

Gaz said:

Going off track.

Are you a kiwi by chance?

Asking as I was a fan of the rider displayed in one of the pics

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Not a Kiwi. Which rider?

Gaz said:

Dani, seriously for a second .............. IMO only though

The Willarott incident was a disgrace ........ I said it at the time and will state again that the punishment inflicted on MM was a feather slap ............ the guy 'and his team' should have had more serious punishment applied (but then, I am a hard prick on punishment as well)

That all said, I do also wonder if that incident and the eye/head issues suffered by MM did contribute to visibility or depth perception type of issues at times when he races that thus cause contact (said that at the Sepang thread as well)

Genuinely I do hope that he is 100% not affected but the injury he suffered with the eyes and head were said to have been quite severe (was not the Willarott incident that caused it but about that time)

And thankfully, Willarott recovered

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Quite possibly, should he be racing now? He definitely has a gift for riding a motorcycle to its absolute limits but if he has vision restrictions then that needs looking at.

moto vudu said:

Not a Kiwi. Which rider?

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The very under-rated and dare I say, often forgotten Simon Crafar