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Liter bikes and public roads

I like the NSU Bison 1000

But lately this is what Id like to try


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I would say that 80% of the first time riders that I sell bikes to are buying 600cc class sport bikes. I think a lot of it has to do with how they are priced in the used market... its hard to sell a ninja 250 for $2000 when I have a CBR600RR sitting next to it for $2300... for that reason I rarely stock smaller cc bikes
 
I would say that 80% of the first time riders that I sell bikes to are buying 600cc class sport bikes. I think a lot of it has to do with how they are priced in the used market... its hard to sell a ninja 250 for $2000 when I have a CBR600RR sitting next to it for $2300... for that reason I rarely stock smaller cc bikes

We had 2 nice 2008 Gixxer 600's lately that both sold for over 6k. Can't keep sport bikes under 7-8 k on the floor, can't give away a new one
 
I have a cbr600rr that has never been on the road, always a race bike. built to regs for supersport here in Aust.

I just find it very satisfying riding the smaller bikes. I'm too tall for the rs125's etc, but love them and had a proddy rgv 250 back in the day. Would love another but the cbr is just put in fuel and press start.
 
I would find it hard to argue that 1000cc Sports bikes aren't overkill for the road. It doesn't stop me for wanting one though. I've been riding a 2001 Gsxr600 for about 10 years now with the opportunity to ride a few 1000cc bikes in my time and the mid range torque has been an intoxicating experience in comparison. I'd also like say that it is amazing what you can ride if you respect the power, stay in your comfort zone, and don't let your ambition outweigh your talent.
 
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JPS, a lot would depend on the bike in question, the manner of riding (solo, two-up) and where you ride but my thoughts have always been that litre sportsbikes are overkill for the public as essentially you will never see them ridden near their potential, but then, is the bike bought to ride to it's potential?

IMO only but as with Hollywood, the 600 sportbikes of today are as overkill as the thousands but again are bought like loaves of bread.

I have had two 500cc parallel twins (Suzuki GS500) that was awesome fun on twisty roads and very licence preserving on straight roads which was a hoot to ride as, for me it is the enjoyment of riding.

Have also had two DL650 V-stroms (Weestroms) and they are heaps of fun to rid in the twisty stuff and comfortable as an armchair on a long tour. Great bikes actually.

Thing is, I know a lot of people out where I live who have cruisers and ride two up so have the big cruisers as they also lug camping gear, some even a trailer and whilst a smaller capacity could do it, the larger capacity does it far easier. Mind you, I live in a region of straight roads with few bends, thus the cruiser mindset out here and thy are all of the 1200 - 2000 range (not all harleys)

The biggest issue of the 1 litre sportsbikes in Oz is that we constantly hear of calls to ban them or restrict them as they so often end up in hands of posers who have NFI as to any signs of limits and simply want to twist the throttle or raise the front wheel with no thought given to time, space which so often means trips to hospitals or worse.

That said, there are exceptions as I can see why AJV wanted the H2R as it is a unique machine and not common, same with Desmosedici owners, why not have that 'special'.

Bah, I rattled on but in short for me the 1 litres are overkill (have ridden a few, way to much motor for me) but each their own on them really although for mine, on a twisty road, not much beats a 250cc two stroke

Not many regrets in life but I do wish I'd bought one of those nice Canadian RZ350s back in the '80s when you could pick one up for under three grand. Now people are selling the ones not raced for sixteen to twenty-two thousand.
 
I love cruising motorcycle forums for the posts on any of the 600 Supersport of 1000cc Superbike forums just for the posts of: "Just got my license, can I handle a <insert bike> as my first bike?" I had friends who started out on 600cc supersports, and while they didn't wind up paralyzed like the ones you mentioned, one ultimately lost his leg when he upgraded a number of years later to a R1 because he was doing stupid .... on it, and the other quit riding saying he wanted to get out a live...although if you saw how he rode, I felt most of his close calls were of his own making. I'm glad I actually went with cruisers first because they are far more manageable from a beginner standpoint but are heavy enough they teach you a lot about balance/negotiating tight corners. But I'm getting the itch for something fast and that handles. Would like to be able to hit a lot of the country roads in northern NJ with something that will tip over quickly relative to my current bike for when I'm in the mood to ride harder.

NJ's license requirements are a joke as well. I went through the MSF course and it was good, but man some of those people in the class...I can't help but wonder if they survived the public roads or not. As long as you pass the written test and the "road" test at the MSF course, you bring the paperwork to the DMV and they issue you the license. Not much of a standard. Problem in the US now is implementing real standards for a motorcycle license would be a ..... and a half at this point. I don't think using a cc limit the way the UK does is the answer. But I do think something needs to be done to keep people off the legitimately fast bikes till they are ready for it.

A friend of mine bought a Hayabusa because she liked the way the bike looked when she went to see it, and felt that given the distance she drove to look at the bike required buying it so she didn't go home empty-handed. It wasn't her first bike by any means, but she told me that the bike scared the living .... out of her when she got it home and rode it. Which I think is a healthy response to have more because it means you will respect the bike and what it can really do. Then meanwhile on the internet, it's all, "Bros, you think a 'Busa is too much bike for my first bike?"

Ha! I took the MSF course in "80. There was one guy there who'd ridden across country and back twice without ever using the front brake. He was afraid of going over the bars - on a Goldwing! I still remember the instructor face-palming when he heard that.

Being an experienced rider doesn't necessarily preclude stupid. 6 years ago - I was trying to make a red light I always got stuck at in Chinatown; gunned the motor on my R6 and hit a huge bump where the asphalt had got wavy from August heat; got airborne and didn't touch down til almost the other side of Delancey Street (four lanes of traffic). I just about kissed the steering damper. That's when I decided to get rid of the R6.
 
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I would find it hard to argue that 1000cc Sports bikes aren't overkill for the road. It doesn't stop me for wanting one though. I've been riding a 2001 Gsxr600 for about 10 years now with the opportunity to ride a few 1000cc bikes in my time and the mid range torque has been an intoxicating experience in comparison. I'd also like say that it is amazing what you can ride if you respect the power, stay in your comfort zone, and don't let your ambition outweigh your talent.

If I could handle/manage the weight and capability of liter supersuport bikes, I'd love to have one too. Or even some adventure bikes like Afrika Twin (although I looked like a fly on a buffalo when I got on it at the show.)

That being said, I basically learned how to ride on my 300cc and still love how it flick through the twisties. I recently put Pirelli Diablo Rosso II, and holy mackerel, I can't wait to go back up the mountain again.
 
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If I could handle/manage the weight and capability of liter supersuport bikes, I'd love to have one too. Or even some adventure bikes like Afrika Twin (although I looked like a fly on a buffalo when I got on it at the show.)

That being said, I basically learned how to ride on my 300cc and still love how it flick through the twisties. I recently put Pirelli Diablo Rosso II, and holy mackerel, I can't wait to go back up the mountain again.

Surely you arent as tiny on the ninja as this pocket rocket ....

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she's an ex student .......and a dynamo at everything she does ....
 
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Cute. I wish I started out young too with a good riding teacher. But considering my personality, I probably would have been dead by now if I did.

Its never too late if you really want to give it a go. Its pretty safe with all the right gear.
 
I'm planning to buy a bigger bike for sure. Probably FZ07 or 09. I rode on ZX-6r and loved how it turns but I wanna ride more comfortably. Z900 is on my maybe list also as well as Afrika Twin. And someday I'll take a class at Superbike school. lol
 
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Ha! I took the MSF course in "80. There was one guy there who'd ridden across country and back twice without ever using the front brake. He was afraid of going over the bars - on a Goldwing! I still remember the instructor face-palming when he heard that.

Being an experienced rider doesn't necessarily preclude stupid. 6 years ago - I was trying to make a red light I always got stuck at in Chinatown; gunned the motor on my R6 and hit a huge bump where the asphalt had got wavy from August heat; got airborne and didn't touch down til almost the other side of Delancey Street (four lanes of traffic). I just about kissed the steering damper. That's when I decided to get rid of the R6.

Cross country without ever using the front brakes? That's incredible lol. I've heard a lot of great stories from guys who were riding rigid frame choppers back in the sixties about what it was like to ride without a front brake. They said you couldn't even stay still on hill with how ...... the rear drum brake was. Another one mentioned to me he not only had no front brake, but he was running a suicide clutch. I have no issue forgoing a front brake personally, but the suicide clutch is something I'm not even crazy enough to go with.

That's crazy to get that much air on a R6 lol. Don't blame you for selling it in that case! I won't go over to the city on a bike because the streets are .... to begin with, without even getting into the traffic situation. Plus after that whole biker/Range Rover incident a couple of years ago, people have been telling me the NYPD started cracking down big time on motorcycles over there where its more outright harassment...tickets/impounding, the whole 9 yards.
 
I'm planning to buy a bigger bike for sure. Probably FZ07 or 09. I rode on ZX-6r and loved how it turns but I wanna ride more comfortably. Z900 is on my maybe list also as well as Akrika Twin. And someday I'll take a class at Superbike school. lol

I would go Z900 until Yamaha fixes front suspension on the FZ09 if you don't want to have to upgrade anything out of the gate. Too much squishiness and nose-diving for a naked sport bike. Shouldn't need to upgrade it right out of the gate IMO. I think the Z900 is a nice option for those who don't want to have to go with the Z1000. It's tough because every time I think, "R6 for sure" then I start thinking about the Z1000 or the GSX-S1000. But at any rate, you can find a decent price on a closeout FZ-09, and then use the savings to take care of the suspension and to flash the ECU to improve the engine power. It'll give you a fast
 
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I would go Z900 until Yamaha fixes front suspension on the FZ09 if you don't want to have to upgrade anything out of the gate. Too much squishiness and nose-diving for a naked sport bike. Shouldn't need to upgrade it right out of the gate IMO. I think the Z900 is a nice option for those who don't want to have to go with the Z1000. It's tough because every time I think, "R6 for sure" then I start thinking about the Z1000 or the GSX-S1000. But at any rate, you can find a decent price on a closeout FZ-09, and then use the savings to take care of the suspension and to flash the ECU to improve the engine power. It'll give you a fast

2017 FZ09 has addressed front end and is getting rave reviews.
 
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It's tough because every time I think, "R6 for sure" then I start thinking about the Z1000 or the GSX-S1000.

That's exactly my thought process too. Then I started to think "oh fairing is nice to have..." then think about maintenance and "No fairing for sure"...

2017 FZ09 has addressed front end and is getting rave reviews.

When I rode my friend's 2015 FZ 09, I had no issue with suspension. My friend complained how bad it was but he was a humongous body builder. At my weight, buckling was more of my concern.
 
That's exactly my thought process too. Then I started to think "oh fairing is nice to have..." then think about maintenance and "No fairing for sure"...



When I rode my friend's 2015 FZ 09, I had no issue with suspension. My friend complained how bad it was but he was a humongous body builder. At my weight, buckling was more of my concern.

The new front suspension has fully adjustable front forks whereas in the past, there was only pre load adjustment. It was fine for the huge majority of riders, but the ones who really wanted to push found it a bit soft. Now you can fine tune rebound and dampening as well as pre load.
 
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A fairing is nice if you do a lot of high way riding, but most people riding sport bikes are not riding full tucked. if you are looking for a nice all around touring bike, check out a multistrada, comfortable, really good in the corners and on the brakes, plenty of engine options, and they can be had used at very cheap prices.
 
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That's exactly my thought process too. Then I started to think "oh fairing is nice to have..." then think about maintenance and "No fairing for sure"...



When I rode my friend's 2015 FZ 09, I had no issue with suspension. My friend complained how bad it was but he was a humongous body builder. At my weight, buckling was more of my concern.

Always preferred having a fairing - but got to say... removal of the fairing on the current bikes (if my R6 was any indicator) are ridiculously time consuming. Maybe it's the geezer in me - but I remember when I could remove the fairing sections on an FZ 600 in under ten minutes. On the R6 it'd be like an hour.
 
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