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Launch control SCRAPPED for 2009!!!!!

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thephorest

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http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Electro...for+2009+season

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>At a meeting of the Grand Prix Commission on Wednesday a number of rule changes have been made with immediate affect, ahead of the 2009 MotoGP World Championship.

At the headquarters of the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme in Geneva, Switzerland, in the presence of FIM president Vito Ippolito, the Grand Prix Commission ratified proposals put forward and agreed on unanimously by the MSMA in meetings held earlier this year in Japan and Malaysia.

The amendments to the Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations address issues raised over the cost of competing in the championship with regards to the 2009 MotoGP season and beyond.

As of the 2009 season Friday morning free practice sessions for all classes have been removed from the Grand Prix schedules and all MotoGP practice sessions (including qualifying) have been reduced to 45 minutes in length.

Electronic and hydraulic launch control systems and electronic suspension systems have been banned.

Furthermore, in the eight 2009 MotoGP World Championship races which follow the summer break, commencing with the 14th-16th August trip to the Czech track of Brno, each MotoGP rider will be restricted to the use of a maximum of five engines until the end of the season.

Wow...didn't see this one coming.

The Friday practices I understand. But electronics too?? I thought that was on the back burner until next season.

I'm pretty pumped about the decision though. Nicky is gonna get the holeshot every race! YEAH!!!
 
"Electronic and hydraulic launch control systems and electronic suspension systems have been banned."

T.C. wow this going to effect the Ducati the most.and are TV companys going to want a re-fund with less to cover

can see this helping the nimbler yam too
 
Yeah, I just read this. Pretty crazy! I'm pretty psyched about them limiting the electronics...racing like the old days! We may see some spectacular wrecks this season!
 
"commencing with the 14th-16th August trip to the Czech track of Brno, each MotoGP rider will be restricted to the use of a maximum of five engines until the end of the season."

I'm worried about this...five engines for eight races? They're gonna have to ride like ....... to make them last that long!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tremulant @ Feb 18 2009, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I just read this. Pretty crazy! I'm pretty psyched about them limiting the electronics...racing like the old days! We may see some spectacular wrecks this season!

I saw enough of Jorge going down last season, and honestly I don't like to see anyone drop.
 
Ducati stands to lose. However, limiting launch control will be fun mostly for peders, who benefited the most from this last year. Also, the reducing of the Friday practiceand limiting other sessions to 45 minutes probably has very little effect on the bottom line. All symbolic I think. Less track time is hardly the place to save money.


It reminds me of the bail out where they spend all this time talking about limiting executive pay. Yeah, it makes for good grandstanding, but does very little to solve the problem.

Dorna, and the MotoGP executives are ....... ........!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tremulant @ Feb 18 2009, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I just read this. Pretty crazy! I'm pretty psyched about them limiting the electronics...racing like the old days! We may see some spectacular wrecks this season!
Limiting launch control is a nice baby step, but its NOT exactly killing TC all together.
 
no ....? http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...60&start=60
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Yeah, I do wonder why it's launch control and "electronic suspension systems" and not electronic engine management systems. Isn't that the real culprit here? Maybe they're just warming us up for a switch to a no electronics platform for 2010.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Feb 18 2009, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm pretty pumped about the decision though. Nicky is gonna get the holeshot every race! YEAH!!!
What gives you that impression?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What gives you that impression?
First, these rules are not confirmed. The practice reduction and engine life will be set, I don't think anything else will. Things like the Suzuki AMA TC workaround is in people's minds.
I agree with Austin here, there's no plus for Nicky. But Pedrosa will suffer badly, so maybe that's a plus.
 
The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Hervé Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Messrs Vito Ippolito (FIM President), Ignacio Verneda (FIM Sport Director), Javier Alonso (Dorna) and M. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held on 18th February 2009 at the FIM Headquarters in Mies, Switzerland, unanimously decided to introduce the following amendments to the Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations – with immediate application.

1. Standard time schedule

Friday
13:05-13:45 125cc Free Practice 1
14:05-14:50 MotoGP Free Practice 1
15:05-15:50 250cc Free Practice 1

Saturday
09:05-09:45 125cc Free Practice 2
10:05-10:50 MotoGP Free Practice 2
11:05-11:50 250cc Free Practice 2
13:05-13:45 125cc Qualifying Practice
14:05-14:50 MotoGP Qualifying Practice
15:05-15:50 250cc Qualifying Practice

Sunday
08:40-09:00 125cc Warm Up
09:10-09:30 250cc Warm Up
09:40-10:00 MotoGP Warm Up
11:00 125cc Race
12:15 250cc Race
14:00 MotoGP Race

2. From Czech GP, maximum 5 engines can be used in 8 races. No changing of parts will be permitted except daily maintenance.

3. Ceramic composite materials are not permitted for brakes disc or pads.

4. Launch control system is not permitted.

5. Electronic controlled suspension is not permitted.

6. Only 2 post race tests at Catalunya and Czech GP for development purposes using test riders only are permitted.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What gives you that impression?

If I remember correctly, Nicky had to turn down (or totally off) his electronic launch control in order to get a decent start circa 2007. And when he did, he went round the outside and surprised some people.

With the playing field evened, riders who have real launch skills will get the holeshot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Feb 18 2009, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First, these rules are not confirmed. The practice reduction and engine life will be set, I don't think anything else will. Things like the Suzuki AMA TC workaround is in people's minds.
I agree with Austin here, there's no plus for Nicky. But Pedrosa will suffer badly, so maybe that's a plus.
On the other hand it was bloody funny when it failed on him and he flipped it during his practice start at PI. - After that, maybe he'll be glad to see the back of it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Feb 18 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With the playing field evened, riders who have real launch skills will get the holeshot.
I'm of the belief that the fewer rider aids, the faster Hayden will go so I suppose I agree with your sentiment. I guess I don't recall his issues with the launch control. Then again, I tuned out most of 2007.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm of the belief that the fewer rider aids, the faster Hayden will go so I suppose I agree with your sentiment. I guess I don't recall his issues with the launch control. Then again, I tuned out most of 2007.
stoner was the only one in 2006 not using lauch control, if i remember correctly...
he is a very fast 'manually starter'

btw, whats up with the electronic suspension?
- what does it do?
- whats the difference?
- is it a good thing?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm of the belief that the fewer rider aids, the faster Hayden will go so I suppose I agree with your sentiment. I guess I don't recall his issues with the launch control. Then again, I tuned out most of 2007.

Well, you really missed out then. Any specific reason you bypassed one of the most competitive seasons in the past several years?

It's not that Nicky had any major "issues" with Honda launch control, it's that he just tended to do a lot better the further it was turned down.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Feb 18 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, you really missed out then. Any specific reason you bypassed one of the most competitive seasons in the past several years?

It's not that Nicky had any major "issues" with Honda launch control, it's that he just tended to do a lot better the further it was turned down.
I got pretty burnt out after 2006 so I checked results throughout 2007 and watched any races I could but past that, I didn't pay much attention.
 

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