Laguna Seca - Race discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 20 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If anyone hasn't seen it, Stoners interview with the BBC is here.


That was disgusting! Stoner has lost any respect I had for him. What a crying baby. Not the behavior of a racer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (muzzy57 @ Jul 20 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well .... me... I've been too busy to look at this forum very often for the last 6 months and I assumed that the new Rossi cheer squad would've been in good voice but this takes the cake!

Rossi makes a banzai overtake on Casey into the corkscrew that could have easily ended in tears for both riders, amazingly holds it upright, nearly runs it back into Stoner getting back on track & a lot of you here think that Vale is a ....... hero & legend for doing so??

So is this a multiple champion's grand answer to the sheer speed that Stoner can produce?

Anyone here that thinks that Rossi was actually faster here today needs to take a wake up pill... The only lesson handed out today by Vale is about how desperate he's become to not let Casey continue to beat him!

Talk about the new wave of Rossi-coloured glasses being handed out!

I love the close racing too but I'd bet an arm & a leg that if Casey pulled a similar move on Vale at Mugello & ended up beating him in a similar circumstance, then there'd be an awful lot of .... getting thrown around here by the Rossi arse-clowns...

not by me I say if stoner has the COJONES he should polish em up and use them. I saw NO elbows like in the biaggi incident.
see em at the next race.
R-46

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (muzzy57 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well .... me... I've been too busy to look at this forum very often for the last 6 months and I assumed that the new Rossi cheer squad would've been in good voice but this takes the cake!

Rossi makes a banzai overtake on Casey into the corkscrew that could have easily ended in tears for both riders, amazingly holds it upright, nearly runs it back into Stoner getting back on track & a lot of you here think that Vale is a ....... hero & legend for doing so??

So is this a multiple champion's grand answer to the sheer speed that Stoner can produce?

Anyone here that thinks that Rossi was actually faster here today needs to take a wake up pill... The only lesson handed out today by Vale is about how desperate he's become to not let Casey continue to beat him!

Talk about the new wave of Rossi-coloured glasses being handed out!

I love the close racing too but I'd bet an arm & a leg that if Casey pulled a similar move on Vale at Mugello & ended up beating him in a similar circumstance, then there'd be an awful lot of .... getting thrown around here by the Rossi arse-clowns...

Awww c'mon Casey. take it on the chin.....its just nice to see you get your whinging ... whupped.

Good Race.

I'm disappointed in Stoner for pushing the issue so often, especially since he had better race pace all weekend. He's still young, he's got a ways to go. Rossi still makes critical racing errors to this day, so I guess Casey gets a couple of free passes.

If you watch the onboard of his crash, you can see why Casey was upset. Vale went outside-inside-outside going into turn 11. Such moves are common in MotoGP but Rossi took Casey's line away. Both went in hard, Rossi went inside, Casey went outside, then Rossi took Casey's line away.

Rossi was in front so I guess he can do as he pleases, but the classic motorcycle blocking move didn't look terribly professional. Obviously, Rossi's intent was to send Stoner off line, Rossi knew he'd lose the drag down the mainstraight if he took the inside line.

In any event, it was a good race all the way around. I would have liked to see the race at the front tighten, but at least we got to see some racing today.

I didn't see the race today, been at a mates 50th all day. Checked out Stoners comments on BBC website though, the guy's not doing himself any favours. If he doesnt cross the line first, or land on pole, as soon he opens his mouth, he sounds like a sore loser.


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 21 2008, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure I agree that Stoner made the mistake himself. As I said earlier, it's an old Rossi move.
Suck the following rider up to your rear tyre, then brake a little early and move over onto his line a bit, which pushes the rider off the racing line.

It's not the first time that Rossi has been accused of testing the rules of fair play.

I think that that move is what Stoner is most pissed about.


The corkscrew incident was more of a racing incident.

Oh, and I expect I will get flamed for this.

Thats exactly what I thought ... but hey I'm old school ..... you only have to win the popuarity contest these days

Another thing I don't get .... probably another consequence of the "be congenial and popular" mentality in Motogp these days ....... but in the old days the riders got the .....! ..... and expressed it. Now when they do it all the sooks come out of the closet

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 20 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats exactly what I thought ... but hey I'm old school ..... you only have to win the popuarity contest these days

Another thing I don't get .... probably another consequence of the "be congenial and popular" mentality in Motogp these days ....... but in the old days the riders got the .....! ..... and expressed it. Now when they do it all the sooks come out of the closet


Mate, take your head out of your arse. Stoner said it himself- he is the ONLY one to blame for the fall, it was his OWN mistake.

What a race, I don’t blame Casey being upset as Rossi was being typical Rossi that we all know he can be, but no one ever likes to admit. Rossi was definitely desperate to not let Casey get in front and I have to say was brilliant at doing so (Really Rossi is the only rider capable of both being able to do it, and secondly, getting away with it). I think Casey’s views of the race will soften over time. You all know how much he likes to win.
To be honest I cant even remember any of the race as it was one long blur. Having it taped for me so I can watch it again….
Hats off to both riders…and Rossi thanks for making a race of it. I wonder what change they made to his bike…

First...great race Rossi...best race all year between Stoner and himself.

Second...way to keep your head up Nicky, not the result he wanted but I'm sure he will put pen to paper real soon with a new team...I hope!

Third......... Michelin! Holy .... I would expect more out of those guys.

Lastly....Hope Rog and Jumkie had fun, can't wait to hear thier stories when they get back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 20 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've seen the onboard shot of the crash, Rossi was on the racing line as he needed to be to get a good exit for the straight.

It looks like Stoner got too hot on the brakes and had to go straight on to avoid tagging Rossi.

Randy had already said that if you went off the racing line you would bin it! and Stoner did!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 20 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats exactly what I thought ... but hey I'm old school ..... you only have to win the popuarity contest these days

Another thing I don't get .... probably another consequence of the "be congenial and popular" mentality in Motogp these days ....... but in the old days the riders got the .....! ..... and expressed it. Now when they do it all the sooks come out of the closet


Yeah Rossi just cries when someone puts hard move on him.....no, sorry, when Max ran him off the track, he smacked him in the face on their way to the podium. Bit different eh?

Casey is a .... hot rider, but needs to stop the tantrums when he doesnt win. Makes him look about 3 years old.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 20 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All they needed was blades on the wheels!
check out the spikes and the lap counter.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...LziCA&hl=en

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SleepyCat @ Jul 21 2008, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a race, I don’t blame Casey being upset as Rossi was being typical Rossi that we all know he can be, but no one ever likes to admit. Rossi was definitely desperate to not let Casey get in front and I have to say was brilliant at doing so (Really Rossi is the only rider capable of both being able to do it, and secondly, getting away with it). I think Casey’s views of the race will soften over time. You all know how much he likes to win.
To be honest I cant even remember any of the race as it was one long blur. Having it taped for me so I can watch it again….
Hats off to both riders…and Rossi thanks for making a race of it. I wonder what change they made to his bike…

Well put ...... I think another reason it has gone "old school" is that Rossi was saying prerace he would try and get out front and block his way for the win ....... it all seems so PC these days that Casey beig young at it, hasn't yet learned the "ways" of dealing with "blocking" ..... give him time .... Although I think mare likely Casey will just fight with more speed as seems to be his way

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 21 2008, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mate, take your head out of your arse. Stoner said it himself- he is the ONLY one to blame for the fall, it was his OWN mistake.


Fall? who mentioned the fall? I'm talking the corkscrew thingo ...... in the old days Rossi would have been fined for taking a shortcut given it was the inside of the corner

Slept in and haven't seen the race yet but congratulations to valentino. Sounds like he has contradicted himself and many of us (me at least) and shown both that you can have close racing in this formula and can over-ride these bikes.

how i see it is rossi is an old school racer.... he would much rather have fun and battle (like he always says) where as stoner prefers to just blitz off into the distance... thats the difference between todays motogp and the old motogp.

i think if these races where like they used to be stoner would have cracked by now... sorry but its what i think.

stoner is a very fast rider but not one who likes to much overtaking in a race.

we all have our opinions so you can say what you like.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 21 2008, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Rossi just cries when someone puts hard move on him.....no, sorry, when Max ran him off the track, he smacked him in the face on their way to the podium. Bit different eh?

Casey is a .... hot rider, but needs to stop the tantrums when he doesnt win. Makes him look about 3 years old.

Pete

Ah gay!


its not a tea party! ..... get the ..... I say ...... bring back the "anger motivated" riders ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 21 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Rossi just cries when someone puts hard move on him.....no, sorry, when Max ran him off the track, he smacked him in the face on their way to the podium. Bit different eh?

Casey is a .... hot rider, but needs to stop the tantrums when he doesnt win. Makes him look about 3 years old.

Pete

MM fat lip on the poodium for Max, I remember that one!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 20 2008, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>great race.

stoner is still young, and needs to grow up some it looks like. but all in all, these two are definitely the top of the class. i know NO rider, that would have dueled with rossi like that. most the time, rossi overtakes and that is it. so hats off to both riders for dukeing it out.

^^^ Try watching Vale and Sete going toe to toe before the "Curse" took hold of Sete.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 21 2008, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fall? who mentioned the fall? I'm talking the corkscrew thingo ...... in the old days Rossi would have been fined for taking a shortcut given it was the inside of the corner


So how should the rules apply here?