Laguna Seca - Race discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 20 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was watching on both screens. Big difference in coverage between broadcast version and online version. That ..... doing commentary alongside Schwantz makes me puke. What a .......

that would be greg white. he was host of a speed tv show called two wheel tuesdays.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jul 21 2008, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if i want to call that schooled,Stoner is ofcourse pissed with himself,maybe not so much at Rossi.Stoner made the mistake himself.
The almighty Rossi makes misstakes too,and really tight passes.
I think they did a great race both of them.
Congrats to Vermulen too.

Not sure I agree that Stoner made the mistake himself. As I said earlier, it's an old Rossi move.
Suck the following rider up to your rear tyre, then brake a little early and move over onto his line a bit, which pushes the rider off the racing line.

It's not the first time that Rossi has been accused of testing the rules of fair play.

I think that that move is what Stoner is most pissed about.


The corkscrew incident was more of a racing incident.

Oh, and I expect I will get flamed for this.

Fantastic rece! I was so excited that i posted my reply in other topic. This is the best race in years and if Rossi would have not been in front, Stoner would have won it. He did a 1.21.4 after a small mistake and cought up immediatly with Rossi. Go Rossi!

I hope he doesn't go the same way as Marco, he was a great racer, then he had a few bad offs, spread over a couple of seasons, and he has never been the same. He was brilliant on a 250!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 20 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How did Rossi manage to stay on the corkscrew, that was dirt bike stuff

That was a bit of .... luck there but he pulled it off along with the re-pass on the rumble strip later. Epic. I said it would be and it was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R-46 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>AN EPIC BATTLE AS LARGE AS BEN HUR IN THE CHARIOT RACE. AWESOME STUFF.
R-46

All they needed was blades on the wheels!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 20 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure I agree that Stoner made the mistake himself. As I said earlier, it's an old Rossi move.
Suck the following rider up to your rear tyre, then brake a little early and move over onto his line a bit, which pushes the rider off the racing line.

It's not the first time that Rossi has been accused of testing the rules of fair play.

I've seen the onboard shot of the crash, Rossi was on the racing line as he needed to be to get a good exit for the straight.

It looks like Stoner got too hot on the brakes and had to go straight on to avoid tagging Rossi.

Quoted from bbc.co.uk

The battle for the lead between Rossi and Stoner was the closest and most exciting there has been this season, but afterwards Stoner was clearly not entirely happy with the way the battle had been fought.

"I completely made the mistake, it was all my own (going off the track)", he told BBC Sport.

"But at the beginning of the race, with some of those overtaking moves, I was so nearly on the floor that it wasn't funny.

"I know it's hard racing, I've been in hard racing all my life but some of that was past the point. I don't think it was necessary."

But Rossi was adamant he had done nothing wrong.

"This is racing, every overtake was very clear for me - I never touched him," he said.

"The reality is I am stronger in braking, so I try to use this advantage. I deserved it, I think he made the mistake alone - it happens."

Well .... me... I've been too busy to look at this forum very often for the last 6 months and I assumed that the new Rossi cheer squad would've been in good voice but this takes the cake!

Rossi makes a banzai overtake on Casey into the corkscrew that could have easily ended in tears for both riders, amazingly holds it upright, nearly runs it back into Stoner getting back on track & a lot of you here think that Vale is a ....... hero & legend for doing so??

So is this a multiple champion's grand answer to the sheer speed that Stoner can produce?

Anyone here that thinks that Rossi was actually faster here today needs to take a wake up pill... The only lesson handed out today by Vale is about how desperate he's become to not let Casey continue to beat him!

Talk about the new wave of Rossi-coloured glasses being handed out!

I love the close racing too but I'd bet an arm & a leg that if Casey pulled a similar move on Vale at Mugello & ended up beating him in a similar circumstance, then there'd be an awful lot of .... getting thrown around here by the Rossi arse-clowns...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 21 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Rossi kissed the ground at the corkscrew.

Did he do that because they nearly both "kissed the ground" there in one of the earlier laps?

I thought they were gone big time ...... Roadblocki went into the litter then came back in all over the place ...... I nearly had a gerriatric attack!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 20 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was watching on both screens. Big difference in coverage between broadcast version and online version. That ..... doing commentary alongside Schwantz makes me puke. What a .......

And did you know that the riders wear leather suits with boots and helmets and have plastic pucks on their knees? Give me a break, I know they are trying to get to a new audiance but come on, do I have to turn my sound off or move to Europe to get good coverage? Even better give me a SAP with just the motorcycles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 21 2008, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Quoted from bbc.co.uk

The battle for the lead between Rossi and Stoner was the closest and most exciting there has been this season, but afterwards Stoner was clearly not entirely happy with the way the battle had been fought.

"I completely made the mistake, it was all my own (going off the track)", he told BBC Sport.

"But at the beginning of the race, with some of those overtaking moves, I was so nearly on the floor that it wasn't funny.

"I know it's hard racing, I've been in hard racing all my life but some of that was past the point. I don't think it was necessary."

But Rossi was adamant he had done nothing wrong.

"This is racing, every overtake was very clear for me - I never touched him," he said.

"The reality is I am stronger in braking, so I try to use this advantage. I deserved it, I think he made the mistake alone - it happens."

Happy to be corrected.
I wonder what moves he felt were pushing the limits.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (muzzy57 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well .... me... I've been too busy to look at this forum very often for the last 6 months and I assumed that the new Rossi cheer squad would've been in good voice but this takes the cake!

Rossi makes a banzai overtake on Casey into the corkscrew that could have easily ended in tears for both riders, amazingly holds it upright, nearly runs it back into Stoner getting back on track & a lot of you here think that Vale is a ....... hero & legend for doing so??

So is this a multiple champion's grand answer to the sheer speed that Stoner can produce?

Anyone here that thinks that Rossi was actually faster here today needs to take a wake up pill... The only lesson handed out today by Vale is about how desperate he's become to not let Casey continue to beat him!

Talk about the new wave of Rossi-coloured glasses being handed out!

I love the close racing too but I'd bet an arm & a leg that if Casey pulled a similar move on Vale at Mugello & ended up beating him in a similar circumstance, then there'd be an awful lot of .... getting thrown around here by the Rossi arse-clowns...

If Rossi had come down the gravel trap and taken Casey out then that would have been unfair, the fact he managed to keep both wheels upright is a tribute to the master.

The Aus bloke on the Beeb was trying to defend Stoner as he wouldn't have seen Rossi's intial error.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 20 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure I agree that Stoner made the mistake himself. As I said earlier, it's an old Rossi move.
Suck the following rider up to your rear tyre, then brake a little early and move over onto his line a bit, which pushes the rider off the racing line.

It's not the first time that Rossi has been accused of testing the rules of fair play.

I think that that move is what Stoner is most pissed about.


The corkscrew incident was more of a racing incident.

Oh, and I expect I will get flamed for this.
Yes i know,i mean Stoner sure knew about Rossis tricks but was thinking too much about passing him on the finishing straight.I'm sure he thinks in retrospect that he should have played it cooler and wait for a misstake from Rossi.
Anyway i think it was a great race,the best in a long time and surely good publicity for the sport in the US.

If anyone hasn't seen it, Stoners interview with the BBC is here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (muzzy57 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well .... me... I've been too busy to look at this forum very often for the last 6 months and I assumed that the new Rossi cheer squad would've been in good voice but this takes the cake!

Rossi makes a banzai overtake on Casey into the corkscrew that could have easily ended in tears for both riders, amazingly holds it upright, nearly runs it back into Stoner getting back on track & a lot of you here think that Vale is a ....... hero & legend for doing so??

So is this a multiple champion's grand answer to the sheer speed that Stoner can produce?

Anyone here that thinks that Rossi was actually faster here today needs to take a wake up pill... The only lesson handed out today by Vale is about how desperate he's become to not let Casey continue to beat him!

Talk about the new wave of Rossi-coloured glasses being handed out!

I love the close racing too but I'd bet an arm & a leg that if Casey pulled a similar move on Vale at Mugello & ended up beating him in a similar circumstance, then there'd be an awful lot of .... getting thrown around here by the Rossi arse-clowns...


shut up you ....... ...-hat

the corkscrew move was a mistake he didnt try to take out stoner on purpose this was a dam good race.... if casey had done the same to rossi then it would have been just a "mistake" to

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 20 2008, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And did you know that the riders wear leather suits with boots and helmets and have plastic pucks on their knees? Give me a break, I know they are trying to get to a new audiance but come on, do I have to turn my sound off or move to Europe to get good coverage? Even better give me a SAP with just the motorcycles.


well, the american audience is not as knowledeable as the european audience, dont fault the commentators for trying to inform the viewers. fault them because they suck

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 21 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure I agree that Stoner made the mistake himself. As I said earlier, it's an old Rossi move.
Suck the following rider up to your rear tyre, then brake a little early and move over onto his line a bit, which pushes the rider off the racing line.

It's not the first time that Rossi has been accused of testing the rules of fair play.

I think that that move is what Stoner is most pissed about.


The corkscrew incident was more of a racing incident.

Oh, and I expect I will get flamed for this.

Humm, interesting. To me it looked like Stoner was way too hot in, and rossi does have some slow entrys to optimize exit speed as he had to do in that particular turn every lap. That of course doesn't make it dirty, but if he braked early to upset stoner I guess that could be considered abit dirty allthough it must be a high risk game as passing on the inside become an imediate option and it's not like he has mirrors to find out exactly where the competitor is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (muzzy57 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well .... me... I've been too busy to look at this forum very often for the last 6 months and I assumed that the new Rossi cheer squad would've been in good voice but this takes the cake!

Rossi makes a banzai overtake on Casey into the corkscrew that could have easily ended in tears for both riders, amazingly holds it upright, nearly runs it back into Stoner getting back on track & a lot of you here think that Vale is a ....... hero & legend for doing so??

So is this a multiple champion's grand answer to the sheer speed that Stoner can produce?

Anyone here that thinks that Rossi was actually faster here today needs to take a wake up pill... The only lesson handed out today by Vale is about how desperate he's become to not let Casey continue to beat him!

Talk about the new wave of Rossi-coloured glasses being handed out!

I love the close racing too but I'd bet an arm & a leg that if Casey pulled a similar move on Vale at Mugello & ended up beating him in a similar circumstance, then there'd be an awful lot of .... getting thrown around here by the Rossi arse-clowns...


Coz the drugs dont work, they just make it worse.............


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 20 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If anyone hasn't seen it, Stoners interview with the BBC is here.


thanks bro, we in the states dont have access to that.
what a lil ..... he sounds like. Again, I dont like rossi, but a dirty racer he is not.