Laguna Seca - Race discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 21 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No he has made " I'm not happy mate!" signals safely and visibly to riders ...... thats like saying Rossi's "finger" to Elias was Rossi trying to poke Elias' eye out ...... wake up!

ok cool you may have a point but i think if it is was another rider you wouldnt be making such a fuss...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 21 2008, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not so sure it was possible to brake hard coming down hill when off the track, the number one thing rossi must have been thinking about was staying on the bike.

That and getting back on track in one piece!

How many of you people out there actually ride!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Jul 20 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Credit to Stoner for waking the old Rossi up. Nobody has pushed Rossi like that for a long time.

If the situation was reversed how would Rossi have reacted?

Nobody fights as hard as Rossi

Nobody overtakes on the outside like Stoner. Big bollocks.

Casey fully blamed himself for the off.

Where do you find a woman like Stoner's. When he went off, she didn't even flinch.

Was Rossi dangerous at times? Yes. But not dirty.

Stoner will regret the way he behaved but how many of us could be calm after all that adrenalin.

To all the people complaining about 800's, strap yourself in for the best 2nd half of a season in ages.

I like that Stoner was angry after the race, sign of a true will to win. He is now fired up & the old Rossi is back.

Full respect to both.

+1

amazing race.

stoner was faster.
rossi was smarter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PAsystm @ Jul 20 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stoner was faster.
rossi was smarter.

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 20 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo's crash being discussed. They're replaying in slow mo and the second his head hits the ashphalt his neck was at a SCARY angle to the rest of his body. I think sadly this is going to push Lorenzo backwards a fair bit.
Yeah I was quite concerned when I saw that it was his head that hit first and they didn't show a replay for ages.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 20 2008, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And did you know that the riders wear leather suits with boots and helmets and have plastic pucks on their knees? Give me a break, I know they are trying to get to a new audiance but come on, do I have to turn my sound off or move to Europe to get good coverage? Even better give me a SAP with just the motorcycles.
I believe the full quote was 'the riders wear leather suits and helmets (three second pause), leather suits, boots, gloves and plastic pucks on their knees' etc. Pathetic. Inform the clueless, that's fine, but at least learn how to speak.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 20 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>shut up you ....... ...-hat
And the intelligent debate begins...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 20 2008, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how i see it is rossi is an old school racer.... he would much rather have fun and battle (like he always says) where as stoner prefers to just blitz off into the distance... thats the difference between todays motogp and the old motogp.

i think if these races where like they used to be stoner would have cracked by now... sorry but its what i think.

stoner is a very fast rider but not one who likes to much overtaking in a race.

we all have our opinions so you can say what you like.
Were you watching the same race? Stoner would rather blitz off into the distance? If you think any of these riders would rather scrap bar to bar for 30 laps you're not with it. Yeah, Rossi loves a good scrap but who doesn't? It's far riskier, so obviously one would prefer to not have to worry about being taken out and gather the win and the 25 points. Come on man, at least pretend to be level-headed. Stoner was scrapping just as well as Rossi. Both raced out of their ....... heads and it was a spectacle of a race.

And it's been touched on a couple of times that Ducati had a faster bike. Frankly, I didn't really see that. Stoner made ground onto the front straight but his line through 11 was far different from Rossi's. Every time he was behind Rossi coming through 11 he squared it up and got a big drive onto the front straight while Vale defended the inside (as he should have done), thus it looks as though the Ducati is far faster but in reality the difference comes down to the different lines each was on.

I mean honestly, come on guys. Stoner fans: Rossi wasn't being dangerous, just having a ding dong of a scrap. Admit it, Stoner made a mistake and got beat. Rossi fans: The Ducati wasn't any better than the Yam here, did you notice how unsettled it was compared to the M1 just floating through corners? And give Stoner a break, try to tell me you wouldn't be sore after getting beat in a battle like that.

Let's try taking off the glasses folks, it's growing a bit old. Especially for those of us who have an admiration for both Stoner and Rossi while allegiances lie elsewhere.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 21 2008, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi was not going to be penalised, but a lot of riders would have been.


nonsense. rossi made a mistake and did all he could to stay on the bike and not crash himself or anyone else. given that corner and the fact that there was nowhere to go...no one would be penalized for that. the came out of it in the same order they entered it. with no advantage whatsoever.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 20 2008, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi fans: The Ducati wasn't any better than the Yam here, did you notice how unsettled it was compared to the M1 just floating through corners?

I've been wondering why that is. The only thing I could gather from the 'green-throttle/red-brakes' graph shown on the broadcast was that CS was braking later (harder) and getting back on the gas sooner (also harder) than VR. So is the Duc inherently hairier or is it just the way CS uses it?

Rossi just flat took it to Stoners ... today and Stoner and his fans should just STFU! Rossi was way aggressive and doing suspect things like repeatedly pushing Stoner offline. But remember folks Val is a Multi MthFckn Time World Champion! And he says if your gonna beat me today you better have brought your lunch pale you howdy doody looking freckle face little ..... Take this, bamb!; take that boom! and next think you know stoner is kinda shook and ....'n a little yellar streak in his Aussie underwear.

Rossi new he was only a few clicks off having the correct package to do battle and new Stoner was tuffer than Gib and Biaggi so he had to come out swinging High and Fckn Wide; and thats what he did. Val has more strategies to win a race than a 5 legged possum and he layed one on Stoner today. It was history in the making.


What's Stoner thinking? Val is going to hand him a cup cake when he goes by. Stoner is a great talent and I love they way he rides that beast ;but he is still wet behind the ears and rossi took him to the woodshed today. Totally fckn with the guy in everway and he can get away with it becuase Val is not some rookie. He is the Doc of MotoGP.

He is also smart enought to know that he probably can't get away with that for an extended period of time. But toss it in hear and there and nobody is going to question it.

Folks be thankful that you are getting to see a motorcycle racer that is going to go down in history with the all time greats.

And if Stoner keeps up the MOoooaaanning he is going to end up in a .... flick.

" I would like to have seen cleaner passing"

fckn Opera Browser

what can I say , BEST RACE of this season, that's what I wanted to see what, i think everybody wanted to see a close battle for the 1st place, not someone running off from the start, too bad that didn't lasted till the final lap, another thing that was amazing is the HUGE gap they have with the others more than 15 secs.

Rossi did an amazing race he did what he needed to do , Stoner was clearly dominating the laps, in all the FP and Q, Rossi was not goin to just watch Stoner fly away, I'm glad to have watched this race today, and even more that Rossi won in laguna, , what's comming I hope and I'm almost sure that it will be a close fight for the championship , but for now I just have to say FORZA VALE.

Dovi did an amazing race again, I can't wait to see , the next comming seasons, i've been watching him since 250cc , forza Dovi .

Bad thing Lorenzo , hope he is ok, and hope that he will recover from this awefull crash .

See ya in Brno where hopefully we'll see another good race

I think the Duck is a bit more unsettled, but I also think that Stoner is the only one able to ride it to it's full potential. I've seen many, many riders go off the cork-screw exactly the way Vale did and come on the track exactly the way Vale did. Both riders deserved to win, unfortunately only one could. First race all year I was out of my seat and screaming at the TV. Yea, I know it doesn't work, but that was one exciting race. Best wishes to both for the rest of the season. May the best man win. BTW, wasn't Vales bike about 1mph faster in qualifying down the front straight? Just a difference in the way they came out of the previous corner. Awesome, awesome, awesome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PAsystm @ Jul 21 2008, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nonsense. rossi made a mistake and did all he could to stay on the bike and not crash himself or anyone else. given that corner and the fact that there was nowhere to go...no one would be penalized for that. the came out of it in the same order they entered it. with no advantage whatsoever.

Just because there was nowhere to go does not mean that no one would be penalised, not that I would have wanted Casey to have won the race because Rossi was penalised. I prefer the outcome we have now, rather than that.

Anybody can come out of the corner in front of theie competitor if they run past him and overshoot the corner, but cut through the inside and go back onto the track, forcing the other guy to run wide. Nearly off the track actually.

This is just another example of Rossi getting really desperate. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesen't.

At least Stoner was man enough to admit that the off was his fault, even if many thought it was Rossi up to his old tricks again. (<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%I can see that one coming back to me).




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (whiteboxer @ Jul 21 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been wondering why that is. The only thing I could gather from the 'green-throttle/red-brakes' graph shown on the broadcast was that CS was braking later (harder) and getting back on the gas sooner (also harder) than VR. So is the Duc inherently hairier or is it just the way CS uses it?

Stoner just rides the wheels off it, but I thought that Rossi reckons he had Stoner under brakes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (whiteboxer @ Jul 20 2008, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been wondering why that is. The only thing I could gather from the 'green-throttle/red-brakes' graph shown on the broadcast was that CS was braking later (harder) and getting back on the gas sooner (also harder) than VR. So is the Duc inherently hairier or is it just the way CS uses it?


my guess is that te electronics on the Duc let Casey wrap the throttle to the stop without fear of anything bad happening. Rossi seemed to calmly roll it on while Stoner just slammed her wide open right at the apex.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bojuhl @ Jul 21 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fckn Opera Browser

Why?

My Opera crashed on me while watching the live feed, which was back to its horrendous worst again for today's race.

Eventually I opened Crazy Browser, but still had a crappy feed.

Anybody else have this problem?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 21 2008, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on man, at least pretend to be level-headed. Stoner was scrapping just as well as Rossi. Both raced out of their ....... heads and it was a spectacle of a race


yeah man i agree stoner put up one hell of a fight.....way more than most could have dealt with... if it was pedro i think he would have pissed his pants!!!

i was just saying casey doesnt like scrapping like that thats all..

i think the yam is more stable i agree.... i just think the ducati carries better speed in the corners and seems to be abit quicker out of them.

After seeing this picture, I've figured out Casey's attitude problem.....




Now, Tom Cruise is a short dude to begin with, but look at Casey. He's even smaller than his waifish wife.

This only points to one thing.....


he's got short man's disease...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 21 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just because there was nowhere to go does not mean that no one would be penalised, not that I would have wanted Casey to have won the race because Rossi was penalised. I prefer the outcome we have now, rather than that.

Anybody can come out of the corner in front of theie competitor if they run past him and overshoot the corner, but cut through the inside and go back onto the track, forcing the other guy to run wide. Nearly off the track actually.

This is just another example of Rossi getting really desperate. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesen't.

At least Stoner was man enough to admit that the off was his fault, even if many thought it was Rossi up to his old tricks again. (<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%I can see that one coming back to me).


.

all im sayin is this.. if it had been stoner who cut the dirt at the corkscrew, he wouldnt have been penalized and id be just as impressed that he didnt crash himself or anyone else. i dont think in that particular instance anyone would have been penalized for getting too hot at the top of the hill and managing to keep it on two wheels. not at the corkscrew.. and because i dont think rossi got a discernible advantage.... he shouldnt be penalized. yeah coming back on the track was hairy... no hairier than stoner passing on the outside. amazing race.

edit-jacked up the quote.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 21 2008, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just because there was nowhere to go does not mean that no one would be penalised, not that I would have wanted Casey to have won the race because Rossi was penalised. I prefer the outcome we have now, rather than that.
As I said, let's see if that protest ever arrive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>This is just another example of Rossi getting really desperate. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesen't.

You may call it desperate but look again. Who had the most moments there. From top of my head I can remember Stoner being in difficulties 4 times. Two times wide (one of those in the gravel) two times haveing really nasty sliden downhill. Slides that just as well could have sent him in the gravel.
Rossi had one.
Who's desperate?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>At least Stoner was man enough to admit that the off was his fault, even if many thought it was Rossi up to his old tricks again. (<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%I can see that one coming back to me).


Stoner just rides the wheels off it, but I thought that Rossi reckons he had Stoner under brakes.
He did state that as a fact and looking at his passes and defence into the turnes I have to agree

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Jul 20 2008, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

My caption elsewhere for that pic was:

(Cruise, maniacally): "Scientology will help your racing AND your marriage! Really! Have you read Twist of the Wrist II?"

Great battle, Rossi having to push at his limit is refreshing and it takes a special rider to push him that hard. Some dodgy moves, but nothing that a Rossi watcher hasn't seen before. I was hoping it would go to the last lap as we would have seen a Jerez Gibernau pass from Rossi. Unfortunately Stoner binned it, luckily the rest of the field swallowed an Edwards pill and decided to check out the sights for 32 laps allowing Stone face to calmly pick the beast up and cruise home.

I like whiny a lot. To sit in an interview next to Rossi and say that his passes were .... is magic.

Great race today, short track helped Rossi a lot. I think we'll see more of the same from Rossi, slow it down and push em around. Brno will be interesting!


Tom cruise is probably standing on a box or an assistants head to look that tall. Really want to bone Casey's wife!