KILL TC!!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At least I called you a gentleman.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 18 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't speak Scandinavian to well. Are you being sarcastic?

Indeed I am

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 18 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Geez Rog.!! .... if you really believed that .... you'd be watching reruns of the seasons you claim to be "the best" and forget about all these "newfangled" races wouldn't you?

What we see now is the way things are now, its impossible to say things would be better with or without TC .... its just pure speculation....... as too, is you claim that racing was more exciting "back when".
The best we can say is look at F1 ........ look how much more mind-numbingly exciting that became when TC was removed

If you really think that ....... how come you have so many posts on a forum about "contemporary" motogp!!??? ........ they can't possibly all be whinges about it! .... nobody's that dumb
But it was you who said
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>removing TC will do nothing in my book

make up your mind !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 18 2009, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But it was you who said


make up your mind !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 18 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But it was you who said


make up your mind !

I don't see the contradiction you seem to be dreaming/seeing?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 18 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see the contradiction you seem to be dreaming/seeing?
in one post you say its impossible to say if things will be better or worse then in another you say it will do nothing. so you know the impossible then do you ?? you really talk out your arse mate but i still luvs ya

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 18 2009, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in one post you say its impossible to say if things will be better or worse then in another you say it will do nothing. so you know the impossible then do you ?? you really talk out your arse mate but i still luvs ya

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in one post you say its impossible to say if things will be better or worse then in another you say it will do nothing. so you know the impossible then do you ?? you really talk out your arse mate but i still luvs ya

You've lost me mate! ..... I think your pissed

Yes I say there's nothing to say it will be better ....... agree?

there is nothing to say it will be worse ............. agree?

well the logical conclusion to that is ........ it won't do a thing


I thinks thats pretty obvious

Hence ...... why I think you are pissed.

Also I see Curve agrees with you ....... so therefore ....... I win!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 18 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The level of racing the machines are capable of is above riders capacity to control without TC. Think Stealth Bomber here. It simply is impossible for it to be flown properly without computer flight control. Same thing different scale. W/O TC the bikes would be a joke and the factories would never allow them to be shown as some kind of ....... stunt machine in a demolition derby. TC is here and it isn't going away.
your comparing apples and oranges here... a jet airplane bomber like the B-2 is naturally unstable, in such a way that it is not possible for a human to fly it by his own...
a bike isnt that way, it is stable at some speed...

calling a bike with no TC a ....... stuntmachine your funny

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your comparing apples and oranges here... a jet airplane bomber like the B-2 is naturally unstable, in such a way that it is not possible for a human to fly it by his own...
a bike isnt that way, it is stable at some speed...

calling a bike with no TC a ....... stuntmachine your funny

Besides, this it's not about taking away all electronics. They will still be able to do their own mapping and that's where the main part of the s.c. "uncontrollable" power are tamed.
When De Puniet can ride the thing in wet without TC then it surly isn't unstable.

"Electronic and hydraulic launch control systems and electronic suspension systems have been banned."

good start i'd say

LINK

Maybe we can get some more of this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Feb 18 2009, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe we can get some more of this.
I love Hopkins in the background, having a look around to see if anyone else saw the squid move he just witnessed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Electronic and hydraulic launch control systems and electronic suspension systems have been banned."

good start i'd say

LINK
heading in the right direction

I agree launch control is BS and electronic suspension would be too expensive. The engine quantity control is interesting. 8 races with 5 engines. Shouldn't be too bad considering a current engine is good for around 600kms. Hummnnn...say Rossi blows up 5 engines (probably never happen) then with one race left, the championship on the line and there he is with no motor. Would the .... fly then! Oh man... early season engine blowups are going to be nightmares in the engine room.

Austin: The early GSVR electronics were an embarrassment and dangerous. They shouldn't have even been racing that crazy system. The injuries Hopper and Kjr suffered were just unbelievable. I don't know the level that they are at now. Spies claimed his superbike had more adjustments than the 2008 GSVR.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 18 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>heading in the right direction

indeed! a step forward at last.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 18 2009, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin: The early GSVR electronics were an embarrassment and dangerous. They shouldn't have even been racing that crazy system. The injuries Hopper and Kjr suffered were just unbelievable. I don't know the level that they are at now. Spies claimed his superbike had more adjustments than the 2008 GSVR.
It was scary watching those two trot around in 2003. The Spies bit sounds familiar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 18 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Besides, this it's not about s.c. "uncontrollable" power are tamed.
why tame a bike???
ride it like a bull

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 17 2009, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom you really want to think before you say things! We have argued about Mamola before and you quoted Mamola as being an unbiased authority on GP racing, when others, particularly myself have had a pop at him (I'm really not a fan of Mr Mamola for anyone who is interested.)

I like Mamola, i think he's entertaining and he offers an easy to digest and humurous insight into motogp. Perfect for TV if he could get his words out a little better. It doesn't make him a genius though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.

This is classic. I didn't say Mamola knows nothing, but i believe it is totally reasonable to question him as a source for this topic. I believe there are considerably better sources of technical related knowledge and information, who would offer suggestions and opinions of higher value. Simple as that. If it's not too much trouble you should try to grow up and realize i am not questioning mamola as a rider, or as the tv pundit/journalist he is. I'm just prepared to consider that he isn't the best at everything just because he rode a gp bike once and then said what you wanted to hear. When i was at school i thought people would grow out of ignorant assumption that by critisizing someone you were automatically claiming that you know, or could do better. Apparently not everyone did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pre-TC was 990 era...
i've seen 2006 - where the traction control was like doing nothing -


TC is build for grip...

Firstly, traction control has been significant in motogp since 2003 whether you like or not.

Secondly TC cannot create grip, it just prevents the the threshold of grip from being so easily surpassed.