KILL TC!!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Feb 16 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess Curve doesn't know what leading link forks are
im sure he does mate but like me just couldn't really give a .... whay spazzermachine thinks or has to say

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 16 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im sure he does mate but like me just couldn't really give a .... whay spazzermachine thinks or has to say

...even though i did post what the .... it is for that used ...... bag... You are exactly right my friend... I hope i come across him and the Island some day


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 16 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im curious who has voted hell no...

The same ....... that have never rode, never watched a race before 07, and are gay

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 16 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...even though i did post what the .... it is for that used ...... bag... You are exactly right my friend... I hope i come across him and the Island some day




The same ....... that have never rode, never watched a race before 07, and are gay
you and me both buddy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 17 2009, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>gief names

Damn!! I thought I got away with it

No secret there ........ removing TC will do nothing in my book.


The fast guys will still be fast, the slow guys will still be there for the pay .....

Only perhaps Capi and Gibbers might be able to say they have ridden a non-TC bike ...... so are you suggesting with no TC Capi and Gibbers would come to the fore?

De Puniet would have stayed on more?

Stoner would have fallen more?

Rossi would have fallen more?

Pedrosa would grow a few inches?


You are right .... lets give names ....... who do you actually think will benefit when TC is removed?


No!...... dont answer this .... has been done to death over and over again ........ in the end ...... TC is still there.

Why? well obviously its to save money! ....... Depuniet would send everyone broke if he had to ride without TC


Just put down the beer ...... go and buy Rog. the CF fly rod he hankers over and take him out fishing ..... the guy needs a pastime when MGP is having a break



Edit: ...... I often wonder about the mentality of those who post all this "its the tyres"/"No TC" bull.... but I can kinda see the impetus ........

You ride our own bikes without TC ........ so you guys are actually saying these GP riders would be better riding a bike like your road bike ......... you are dreaming!

I was going to say "I'd like to see you guys actually ride a bike with TC!" ....... but then I realised ..... it wouldn't matter two hoots .... because you wouldn't even get the bike operating anywhere near the physical conditions wherebt TC would begin to affect the bike ........ get real!

I voted for getting rid of tc of course but they probably can't do this totally and immediately. They should immediately get rid of any track position aware stuff, severely limit the sensors, and get rid of the ride-by-wire throttles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 17 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I voted for getting rid of tc of course but they probably can't do this totally and immediately. They should immediately get rid of any track position aware stuff, severely limit the sensors, and get rid of the ride-by-wire throttles.
When the eurosport team were ta;lking about this once Randy Mamola said "its easy,just cut the wires to the wheels".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 17 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I voted for getting rid of tc of course but they probably can't do this totally and immediately.

No ...... not immediately ...... given that some of this stuff has been going in evolution for 20 years, seems a bit odd to send development up a certain path then whinge when you get there, and try and ban it .

I'd imagine it might be a step in the model- T direction.

I think some of you guys are following the wrong racing series. The major development area in motogp has been electronics, from before the 4 stroke era ....... why whinge about it now?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 16 2009, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When the eurosport team were ta;lking about this once Randy Mamola said "its easy,just cut the wires to the wheels".Then they just sense further upstream.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 17 2009, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When the eurosport team were ta;lking about this once Randy Mamola said "its easy,just cut the wires to the wheels".

Yea but firstly he was joking and secondly he's not the cleverest guy in the paddock, i wouldn't be looking at him for technical regulations.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 17 2009, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think some of you guys are following the wrong racing series. The major development area in motogp has been electronics, from before the 4 stroke era ....... why whinge about it now?

Nobody will have a problem with any technical development until they feel its influence becomes greater than the level they are comfortable with. Now most people seem to feel electronic development has passed that threshold level, so they complain. The trouble is there is so little clarity on the influence of the electronics that the common perception of what they do is wrong. Plus there are plenty of people who chose not to waste time forming opinions when they can just calim their favorite rider knows everything and is always right.

I voted against because like I said it isn't going away. I am in favour of somehow limiting it. I certainly don't want a bike with the smarts to learn the track. Since there was no limit option I had no choice but to vote "Hell no!". It is the quickest, cheapest and most effective development tool in the factories arsenal. I think back over last year with all the highsides and high speed crashes and I can't help but wonder where all the TC hate comes from. These bikes will kill you if you aren't careful. Eliminating TC and what do you think the result would be? Really, I want to know. I would love to see one of the past 2 stroke heroes on one of the GP9's. They'd .... themselves in short order.

It was obvious to Dorna and the factories that the 990 dragsters were within a few years of being at the 350km/h point on the straights. It is true that the 800's are faster lappers but they will never reach the potential top speeds that the 990's could have. So now they are dangerous in the corners instead of the straights and that is far better IMO because the speeds there are far less and the tracks all have excellent accommodation for runoff if a wipe-out occurs. I don't want to see another Nakano type high speed blowout ever again.

I personally don't like a motorcycle that is all engine and no handling. I think the 800's have to potential to be the perfect balance of both and are the next logical step in the MotoGP lineup of 125 (low cost, weight, power. corner speed), 250 (medium cost, weight, power, corner speed) and 800 (highest cost, weight, power, corner speed). They are too highly controlled with electronics I agree but I'm a bike guy. I like corners. Anyone can go fast in a straight line but the perfect corner that is the ultimate.

Only a TRUE dumbfuck would think that a bike is more dangerous in the straights than in the corners. what a ........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 17 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea but firstly he was joking and secondly he's not the cleverest guy in the paddock, i wouldn't be looking at him for technical regulations.

Nobody will have a problem with any technical development until they feel its influence becomes greater than the level they are comfortable with. Now most people seem to feel electronic development has passed that threshold level, so they complain. The trouble is there is so little clarity on the influence of the electronics that the common perception of what they do is wrong. Plus there are plenty of people who chose not to waste time forming opinions when they can just calim their favorite rider knows everything and is always right.


Tom you really want to think before you say things! We have argued about Mamola before and you quoted Mamola as being an unbiased authority on GP racing, when others, particularly myself have had a pop at him (I'm really not a fan of Mr Mamola for anyone who is interested.)

Next you will be telling us about this guy Schwantz that you used to watch in the good old days before the rest of us got into GP, and he was the greatest ever.

At least we know you wont claim your favourite rider is always right because youve never had the same favourite rider for more than a couple o months.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>... with TC you can only go too far, in the past your wheel would start spinning or you would wobble and you had to back off... nowadays your traction control will make you stop wobbling and spinning. when you do go too far where even TC cant keep you on the bike, .... becomes very dangerous, and then TC cant help you and there is almost 0% chance you can correct your mistake better than TC...

ps: 125 and 250 has MORE cornerspeed than a motogp bike , which is obvious cuzz they weigh allot less...
One, TC has vastly REDUCED the number and severity of high sides, which you'd know if you'd been around in the pre-TC days...
Two, the 800s corner speed is about the same as the 250s. Weight alone is not the defining factor...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 17 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One, TC has vastly REDUCED the number and severity of high sides, which you'd know if you'd been around in the pre-TC days...
Two, the 800s corner speed is about the same as the 250s. Weight alone is not the defining factor...


Lorenzo had a few highsides last year that were some of the biggest I have ever seen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 17 2009, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom you really want to think before you say things! We have argued about Mamola before and you quoted Mamola as being an unbiased authority on GP racing, when others, particularly myself have had a pop at him (I'm really not a fan of Mr Mamola for anyone who is interested.)

Next you will be telling us about this guy Schwantz that you used to watch in the good old days before the rest of us got into GP, and he was the greatest ever.

At least we know you wont claim your favourite rider is always right because youve never had the same favourite rider for more than a couple o months.

Pete
Tom knows everything about everything, you know that pete. We all know mamola spends a lot more time in the paddock than tom. He may not be an engineer like tom but im sure he spoke to many before forming his opinion. He most definatly was not joking tom and im pretty sure he dropped JB's name when talking about cutting wires on wheels.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 17 2009, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he's not the cleverest guy in the paddock, i wouldn't be looking at him for technical regulations.

Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.