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KILL TC!!!!!!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.
NO...do it Jum, it's only 24 hrs "Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war"....Mari?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Feb 17 2009, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo had a few highsides last year that were some of the biggest I have ever seen.
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And from all the accounts I've read, Toseland's was on par, if not more spectacular, than Lorenzo's offs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.


All this talk of carbon fishing rods, who needs them when you can shoot fish in a barrel on here.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 17 2009, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom knows everything about everything, you know that pete. We all know mamola spends a lot more time in the paddock than tom. He may not be an engineer like tom
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but im sure he spoke to many before forming his opinion. He most definatly was not joking tom and im pretty sure he dropped JB's name when talking about cutting wires on wheels.


Ah JB would know Rog, he's an engineer you know!

Give the guy a bucket an a brush and let him paint himself into a corner!

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.
believe me jumkie, you really dont have to say it. we all know what you want to say because wjhere thinking it.

maybe its just another one of tom's "alternative" opinions again that he puts across for our benefit but not believing it himself
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.

Sure, every ex racer I know have a deep and full understanding of how TC works. In fact they would all easily take a master in cybernetics and automation without even opening a book, except of course the technical regulations; all you ever know to be a computer wiz in applied superfast adaptive regulation.

I'm sure Mamola know a thing or two about TC but thats NOT becuse he is an ex-racer. IF he does , it's becuse he is a technicaly interested jounalist. And in a dumbed down version he is even right, but it remains to be seen if he really know anything more than that dumbed down version.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, you never disappoint in puting feet in mouth and head up a. Yeah, Randy Mamola, who came runner up four times in the premiere championship and scrapped with the likes of Lawson, Spencer, Gardner, Roberts, etc, who NOW makes his living, day in day out in the ....... paddock as a former racer (NOT a journalist), so he wouldn't have much insight and knowledge about the "technical regulations" in the sport today? Oh lord. This is way too easy. Oh man, the real question is, do I wanna get banned today?

Ah, you're not worth it. You get a pass today pendejo.

Mamo was one ....... bad ... rider in the days (.... still is).... he was one those ryders some you of ladies would call me a "fanboy" of... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

TOM dont know ....
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ps: 125 and 250 has MORE cornerspeed than a motogp bike
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, which is obvious cuzz they weigh allot less...
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Really? So a 125 carries more corner speed than an 800? I'd like to see the proof. For one thing the 125 is limited in top end speed far below the 800 so how is this possible?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 17 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One, TC has vastly REDUCED the number and severity of high sides, which you'd know if you'd been around in the pre-TC days...
Two, the 800s corner speed is about the same as the 250s. Weight alone is not the defining factor...
pre-TC was 990 era...
i've seen 2006 - where the traction control was like doing nothing - and there werent that many falls, and basicly the only falls i remember was the big crash on catalunya, which was i think because gibbers front brakes blocked, and stoners crash on i think qatar, which looked very massive, but he had zero injury....

in 800cc i see a french guy crash like 90% of the races. and young spanish rider who doesnt want to give up on the corners, and with TC off, he would probably still highside, but not that hard...

TC is build for grip... which is good for when you want to go fast, cuzz it lets you expand your limits a bit, but when you lose grip, TC will do anything to get that grip back. with exiting a corner riders are getting on the throttle, while still being turning, will sometimes make your back skid. TC will get that grip back, but when you keep up the throttle - like lorenzo probably did - when the TC got you your grip back suddenly(TC aint smooth), the sudden power will send your bike flying everywhere...

no TC: lets you in control of the 'grip recoverage' making the rider in control of the situation, in stead of letting an computer think for you
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 17 2009, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Only a TRUE dumbfuck would think that a bike is more dangerous in the straights than in the corners.
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Your consistent missing the point really isn't the intellectual show of strength you believe it to be. Quite the opposite.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 17 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really? So a 125 carries more corner speed than an 800? I'd like to see the proof. For one thing the 125 is limited in top end speed far below the 800 so how is this possible?
I don't know about 125, but JB did mention that the 250 carry more corner speed. (I think it was him).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2009, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who do you actually think will benefit when TC is removed?
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Us the paying viewer. We will see closer tyre smoking racing like we used to before TC came in. geez
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 17 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no TC: lets you in control of the 'grip recoverage' making the rider in control of the situation, in stead of letting an computer think for you

The level of racing the machines are capable of is above riders capacity to control without TC. Think Stealth Bomber here. It simply is impossible for it to be flown properly without computer flight control. Same thing different scale. W/O TC the bikes would be a joke and the factories would never allow them to be shown as some kind of ....... stunt machine in a demolition derby. TC is here and it isn't going away.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 17 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure, every ex racer I know have a deep and full understanding of how TC works. In fact they would all easily take a master in cybernetics and automation without even opening a book, except of course the technical regulations; all you ever know to be a computer wiz in applied superfast adaptive regulation.

I'm sure Mamola know a thing or two about TC but thats NOT becuse he is an ex-racer. IF he does , it's becuse he is a technicaly interested jounalist. And in a dumbed down version he is even right, but it remains to be seen if he really know anything more than that dumbed down version.

I don't speak Scandinavian to well. Are you being sarcastic?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 17 2009, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your consistent missing the point really isn't the intellectual show of strength you believe it to be. Quite the opposite.

try to make yourself sound as smart as you like..you still dont know .... bout bikes, GP, riders, nor riding... Nancy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 17 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pre-TC was 990 era...
i've seen 2006 - where the traction control was like doing nothing - and there werent that many falls, and basicly the only falls i remember was the big crash on catalunya, which was i think because gibbers front brakes blocked, and stoners crash on i think qatar, which looked very massive, but he had zero injury....

in 800cc i see a french guy crash like 90% of the races. and young spanish rider who doesnt want to give up on the corners, and with TC off, he would probably still highside, but not that hard...

TC is build for grip... which is good for when you want to go fast, cuzz it lets you expand your limits a bit, but when you lose grip, TC will do anything to get that grip back. with exiting a corner riders are getting on the throttle, while still being turning, will sometimes make your back skid. TC will get that grip back, but when you keep up the throttle - like lorenzo probably did - when the TC got you your grip back suddenly(TC aint smooth), the sudden power will send your bike flying everywhere...

no TC: lets you in control of the 'grip recoverage' making the rider in control of the situation, in stead of letting an computer think for you
The 990s had TC, read about Kenny Roberts Jr's Laguna Seca 2006. He was miserably slow until he told them to turn off the TC. My recollection only dates back to the beginning of the four stroke era but as far as I know, TC has been around all of that time and even back to the late 500 days. Maybe some of the older gentlemen can correct me if I'm out of line.

Additionally, TC can cause more dramatic falls but the point of the tool is not limiting crashes, it's improving traction and drive. I can't be bothered to google the stats but I would be very surprised if the number of annual crashes between the late 990 era (let's exclude 2002-2004 as KRJR and Hopkins crashed enough in that span to skew the numbers in the 990 favor. Sorry gsfan but the early GSV-Rs were horrendously poor, not to mention dangerous) and the 800 era. It may appear as though the TC reliant 800s have caused more crashes because the falls that we are seeing more of are dramatic high sides. I'm no engineer or electronics expert but from what I gather this is because the electronics can only handle so much, their capacity may be near the edge of tire grip but it is a finite amount, and once its capacity is exceeded then it is likely too late for any rider input to save it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 18 2009, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your consistent missing the point really isn't the intellectual show of strength you believe it to be. Quite the opposite.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 18 2009, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Us the paying viewer. We will see closer tyre smoking racing like we used to before TC came in. geez
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Geez Rog.!! .... if you really believed that .... you'd be watching reruns of the seasons you claim to be "the best" and forget about all these "newfangled" races wouldn't you?

What we see now is the way things are now, its impossible to say things would be better with or without TC .... its just pure speculation....... as too, is you claim that racing was more exciting "back when".
The best we can say is look at F1 ........ look how much more mind-numbingly exciting that became when TC was removed
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If you really think that ....... how come you have so many posts on a forum about "contemporary" motogp!!??? ........ they can't possibly all be whinges about it! .... nobody's that dumb
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>TC has been around all of that time and even back to the late 500 days. Maybe some of the older gentlemen can correct me if I'm out of line.

All available evidence would point to that being the case
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............ however I do resent the implication that one has to be "old" to know this
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 17 2009, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All available evidence would point to that being the case
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............ however I do resent the implication that one has to be "old" to know this
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At least I called you a gentleman.
 

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