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Jorge $13,000,000 contract with Ducati

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Various reports flying round the interweb at the moment are speculating that Ducati's sponsors Philip Morris, owners of Marlboro, have tabled a deal with Jorge Lorenzo to the tune of $13m. Yes, $13m. Sorry but this is getting out of hand. I was stunned to read a few months ago that footballist Cristiano Wossname had moved from one red team to another for £80m and that he would be paid, in three years' time, the best part of half a million quid a week.

Motorcycle News' Matthew Birt has broken the story. Now Matt is the best reporter in that paddock and a friend but I really hope he has got it wrong. Not from a rival's point of view, but from a this-is-bad-for-the-sport view.

No-one is worth this sort of money.

Yes, Lorenzo may be the second best motorcycle racer in the world, and yes he may put his life on the line every time he sits on a bike. But he also does that when he gets in his car, gets on a plane, walks up the road, sleeps with someone he shouldn't. He might choke on a pip from a lime in the top of a bottle of Corona Extra.

MotoGP is trying to cut costs in order to have a decent grid. If Marlboro start flinging this kind of money around, it can only spell the end. So, Lorenzo is worth, allegedly, $13m dollars and he hasn't yet won a MotoGP World Championship.

What does that, then, make The Doctor worth? Lorenzo has proved he caves in to pressure from Rossi and just can't live with the man. If the Lorenzo deal sets a precedent, and a very dangerous one, Rossi could command double that at the end of next season when his Yamaha contract runs out. And someone will pay it because he is Valentino Rossi.

Rossi is reportedly on a $4M package from Yamaha, plus his own sponsorship. Lorenzo is currently being paid half that, it is said, by those who can operate a calculator. Whatever it is, a massive hike in wage bills when costs are trying to be cut is bad.

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$13M. That's insane!!
Silly yet kinda plausable

Even over two years it's still $6.5M a year


Hmmm, what is Casey contract, does anyone know?
 
Cutting costs is the latest strike of genius by Dorna, after the 800cc and 21 liters rule meant to cut speed
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The results are the same.

They managed to actually increase the costs with the insane engine limitation rule--pistons of the new engines are said to cost now 10 times the 'old' pistons, and a new high tech race is well under way to build the engine that can last the most. So they'll use 5 engines instead of maybe 8, at 10 times the cost. Well done...

They really want to cut costs? It would be much more effective to keep some form of control on the riders' market.
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Lorenzo is worth it, however, if he intends to win a MotoGP world title, he will sign with factory Yamaha.

The only human capable of taking a Ducati to the top is Casey Stoner (yes, and my opinion includes Lorenzo's teammate).
 
He is worth whatever they are willing to pay, you can't find this sort of talent and competitiveness on the corner. I hope this is true, just so that we get to see if Stoner is truly the only person who can tame the red beast.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 19 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is worth it, however, if he intends to win a MotoGP world title, he will sign with factory Yamaha.

The only human capable of taking a Ducati to the top is Casey Stoner (yes, and my opinion includes Lorenzo's teammate).

With Suppo or with Burgess?
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(Merge please)...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 20 2009, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With Suppo or with Burgess?
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Are you saying Burgess would be able to "tame the beast" for all (sans Stoner) and Suppo can't
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Aug 19 2009, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying Burgess would be able to "tame the beast" for all (sans Stoner) and Suppo can't

Kind off, but not really... Just fishing out of Jumkie’s fishing boat!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is worth it, however, if he intends to win a MotoGP world title, he will sign with factory Yamaha.

The only human capable of taking a Ducati to the top is Casey Stoner (yes, and my opinion includes Lorenzo's teammate).
Loris could have won championship in 2006 on ducati, only injuries prevented him not to win that year and cuase of those injuries even wasn't his fault.

Why you think stoner is so special and what acutally he has achieved in 8 years for you to think that he is the only person to take ducati to top( oh! sorry jumkie my bad he has actually won one championship in 8 years not bad going, is it compare to lorenzo's teammate who got 8 championships in 12 years).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 20 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kind off, but not really... Just fishing out of Jumkie’s fishing boat!
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I hear ya
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It's just that I made a comment about JB earlier this week, and I was being sarcastic.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 19 2009, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Loris could have won championship in 2006 on ducati, only injuries prevented him not to win that year and cuase of those injuries even wasn't his fault.

Why you think stoner is so special and what acutally he has achieved in 8 years for you to think that he is the only person to take ducati to top( oh! sorry jumkie my bad he has actually won one championship in 8 years not bad going, is it compare to lorenzo's teammate who got 8 championships in 12 years).

Oh, I stand corrected, Stoner is .....
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All I need to know about Rossi's titles are that minus the special tires, he couldn't win one. ie 07. The year they had the same tires, Stoner was faster than him the entire season, fact. Oh, and this year, haha, Yamaha, enuf said. Smoke that.

You children don't understand MotoGP. You think he's the greatest ever, but don't realize the machine/tires make the better riders look like geniuses. Slap Rossi on a Suzuki, Kawasaki, or even worse, a Ducati, and you'd see just how great he is. Which year on those other brands would he have delivered? Ah, prototype racing, making fools out of ignorant people for years!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 19 2009, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With Suppo or with Burgess?
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(Merge please)...
I asked this question in another thread, so here it is again: How many laps has Burgess done on Rossi's bike?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I stand corrected, Stoner is .....
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All I need to know about Rossi's titles are that minus the special tires, he couldn't win one. ie 07. The year they had the same tires, Stoner was faster than him the entire season, fact. Oh, and this year, haha, Yamaha, enuf said. Smoke that.

You children don't understand MotoGP. You think he's the greatest ever, but don't realize the machine/tires make the better riders look like geniuses. Slap Rossi on a Suzuki, Kawasaki, or even worse, a Ducati, and you'd see just how great he is. Which year on those other brands would he have delivered? Ah, prototype racing, making fools out of ignorant people for years!
Come on Jumkie come with facts not with your usual and typicall CS fan crap and by the way when Rossi moved to yamaha in 2004, they weren't doing very well if i remember correctly.

I think if there is any one acting like a child here its you and prototype racing must be making ignorant people like you fool for years who thinks that they knows everything about Motogp and believe me when someone thinks that they know every thing thats where biggest problem starts.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I asked this question in another thread, so here it is again: How many laps has Burgess done on Rossi's bike?
Oh Jumkie!!
I answered that the other thread too.
NOW FOR THE DEAF: FUCKEN NONE

But what has that got to do with how he can (or can't) develope/tune/set up a bike?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 20 2009, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Loris could have won championship in 2006 on ducati, only injuries prevented him not to win that year and cuase of those injuries even wasn't his fault.

But he did not win so to say he 'could have' is another hypothetical just as to say that if Stoner had not used wets at Donnington he 'could have' won the race, or is Lorenzo did not fall he 'could have' won the race.

The world is full of hypotheticals and unfortunately hypotheticals are only good for discussion points as they aren't facts which are the real deal. Fact is that only CS has taken the Ducati to the top across a championship season.

Fact is that CS, Bayliss and Capirossi have stood on the top step of a podium on the Ducati.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 20 2009, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why you think stoner is so special and what acutally he has achieved in 8 years for you to think that he is the only person to take ducati to top( oh! sorry jumkie my bad he has actually won one championship in 8 years not bad going, is it compare to lorenzo's teammate who got 8 championships in 12 years).

So, does 8 championships guarantee him success on another brand/make of bike?






Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 20 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, does 8 championships guarantee him success on another brand/make of bike?


Gaz

No Gaz, remember Rossi is a hack he had Michelin tyres!!
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Now I wonder if Jumkie is going to answer my question (in this thread) or if he is going to ignore it like he did in the other thread!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 20 2009, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But he did not win so to say he 'could have' is another hypothetical just as to say that if Stoner had not used wets at Donnington he 'could have' won the race, or is Lorenzo did not fall he 'could have' won the race.
The world is full of hypotheticals and unfortunately hypotheticals are only good for discussion points as they aren't facts which are the real deal. Fact is that only CS has taken the Ducati to the top across a championship season.

Fact is that CS, Bayliss and Capirossi have stood on the top step of a podium on the Ducati.





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I was replying to jumkie's post where he said that only CS can take ducati to top, ok you tell me then Gaz CS has won with ducati in 07 but that doesn't mean that he can won again if you don't wanna assume any thing by previous records so jumkie is completely wrong by saying that as well then.

So, does 8 championships guarantee him success on another brand/make of bike?
Gaz

I wouldn't bet against it Gaz.He has done it once and i am sure he can do it again weather you want to believe it or not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 20 2009, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Jumkie come with facts not with your usual and typicall CS fan crap and by the way when Rossi moved to yamaha in 2004, they weren't doing very well if i remember correctly.

I think if there is any one acting like a child here its you and prototype racing must be making ignorant people like you fool for years who thinks that they knows everything about Motogp and believe me when someone thinks that they know every thing thats where biggest problem starts.

It's not that he think he know everything it's just that he's on a doubble mission:
1. For the last few days his been on the Ducati that according to him is worse than Suzuki ever were. It's getting increasingly harder to explain Haydens mediocre results so what better than to blame them on the bike. Not that there's anything new there. Same story the previous two years.

2. He is out trolling again, as he has been a lot lately. Calling it "Having some fun with the children" or something similar no doubt.
He's conveniently forgetting his own recent recognition of Rossi just for some trolling, nothing more and not really worth acting on.

It's all the results of a frustrated and bitterly disappointed man. Show some mercy on him
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