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Also Pol and Bradley deserve praise for laying it on both JL and VR for complaining about the safety rulings but never attending the meetings. That take balls when both are also empoyed (even if indirectly) by Yamaha. Kudos to those 3 guys.
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And what is your point? Today those two gained respect wilst Rossi and Lorenzo lost some.
Rossi I would say more than Lorenzo, but I suspect Jorge will be singled out for more abomination. Both didn’t show up to the safety meeting, bad enough. However let's contrast the reasons: Rossi stop showing up because he can't stand to be in the same room with the guy he tried to murder on the track. Lorenzo stop showing up because when he brought up dangerous riding he was ridiculed as a moaner and complainer. (Sound familiar?)
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They didn't show up to a safety brief, so what!? How do we know what their other obligations were? VR and JL are employed by Yamaha to win. Pol and Bradley are employed to help fill the grid while the superstars compete. If they aren't going to spend as much time perfecting their craft like VR & JL, they might as well show up at every safety brief and any other brief.
VR, JL, and Pedrosa are all vocal about safety and try to use their influence to help bring changes but perhaps they get frustrated by the lack of change. I don't care they missed the safety brief, what matters is if the people with the power to make the necessary changes are going to do their ....... job.
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so shut up.
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Fascinating post. It's almost a kindergartner level post if you would have followed it up with "poopy head".
Well i'd have to say as safety is supposedly the number one priority they should all be at all of them,no good complaining when someones been killed if you've got other things seemingly more important to do,JL's complaining that as world champion he should have been there,but as the attendees have stated, he never turns up anyway and neither does Rossi,much as i hate Rossi he carries more weight than anyone so he should definetely be there.
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I think he was saying for the riders to shut up. Like Bradley said, if you are still acting like a 7 year old over A situation you caused, you need to grow the .... up. If he wants to be the face of GP, he needs to be a leader, not a sulking ......
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Riders have discussed safety at that turn for years! Why is all of a sudden so important for them to attend a brief AFTER they have been ignored for years and it finally resulted in a tragedy?
They didn't attend the briefing so they can't complain about the way the track layout was changed. Fair enough. Maybe if in the future GP organizers paid more attention to the concerns of the riders ALL of them will see more benefit in making sure they attend. But if they attend only to be ignored, they will skip it and spend that time searching for way to be faster on Sunday.
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So Bradley Smith is almost a kidergartner level rider? Look who's talking
Well compared to who he's talking about, yes he is kindergartner level. VR & JL can both hop on Bradley's bike get better results.
What I'm noticing is what typically happens after a tragedy, there is a need to point fingers. Somebody has to be blamed for this. VR, JL, and Pedrosa didn't attend safety briefings!?... LETS BLAME THEM!
It's all BS that isn't addressing why rider safety concerns have gone mostly ignored for years.
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Have they?
Where is the recorded media write-ups regarding their concern about that turn BEFORE the incident (now that sounds familiar, write-ups from prior to the incident)
Rossi claims to have raised it previously and particularly after the Antonelli incident (not that I can recall or locate articles with quotes) but did not want to change the circuit flow after they had the opportunity to test it.
Other riders have had the same opportunity but not one is on public record PRIOR to Friday as raising concerns although Pol is on record now as saying that he did not realise how close the wall was until he competed at the circuit in a push bike race as it allowed a slower speed through the corner giving him more time to look.
The organisers cannot be accused of ignoring rider concerns if they are not raised and given that some do not attend the safety meetings or have not gone public with their concerns, in this regard the organisers hold no blame for failing to act on items not bought to their attention (there is always their obligations however to assess risk for themselves)
Further to insinuate that Rossi has been ignored is a long straw as for years riders have stated (Stoner/Lorenzo publically) that they did not attend the safety meeting purely because they were not listened to, however if Valentino raised a matter it was gospel (for record, refer to Krops recent articles regarding power of the personality).
FWIW, look at what Smith and Espargaro say and work it out.
Rossi stopped attending in Sepang. He surely has his reasons which are reported to be that he cannot stand to be in the same room as Marquez (reported by Krop and other journalists) which in terms of safety, if one were to consider it important is childish and petulant. You may not like the person, you may hate the individual but if you feel strongly enough of an issue you seek to address it and whilst the safety commission is the place, if Valentino went public with a concern he would be listened to, just as he is now in saying that there are 20 or so similar corners world wide (although he has not listed all)
VR has no blame or responsibility in the incident (nor does JL or any rider, whether they spoke up or not) and whilst I consider the safety commission somewhat of a joke in some regards, as Smith, Espargaro and others have alluded, that meeting was not the time to continue with a feud, that meeting was about respect for Salom and his family
Seriously for a second MV, take off the yellow sunglasses as nobody is blaming VR, JL or DP for anything. They are being spoken of in terms of showing disrespect to Salom and/or perhaps being childish (not all, but some) in terms of their subsequent commentary regarding the track changes.
The chatter is not about blame for the accident, but is about time and place.
If they go public it becomes a matter of public record and of course, if the person going public is 'important enough' then by going public it will cause subsequent pressure on organisers to as a minimum, listen/look at the issue and at the maximum address the concerns.
As for going direct to the organisers, of course they could in theory do that but again, importance of the individual will be greatly at play (and this is why VR/JL/DP/MM are critical to safety issues) as the organisers would pay no attention to a back marker with little media pull, but will listen to a front runner as they simply have more power.
As for public record, that is the issue as what is discussed at the safety commission is apparently not minuted or formal and as such there is little to no record of the discussions (this weekend I read that it is like fight club, but that we have a few not abiding by the rules for this weekend). This means that no matter what gets said or discussed there is no record and such, it become heresay which means no formal notifications to DORNA/FIM (unless that has changed)
To go public is a good weapon to use and one that some of these guys have sued with great success, so they know the benefits of doing so.
Wrong, it was no knee jerk reactionary meeting
The meeting was the standard Friday 5:30pm gathering that is held at each and every GP.
The meeting apparently started in the usual location and moved to the corner where the incident occurred so that they could look at the alternatives that had been discussed behind closed doors.
There was nothing special about this meeting in terms that it was not called suddenly without notice, it is an every GP event in time.
The respect was to be shown to a fallen rider by turning up (VR/JL/DP are not the only ones being criticised as comments have also been directed that Moto3 and Moto2 riders also failed to show and do not attend regularly)
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Got it.
Judging by the comments from MM, JL, and VR. If all 3 were there it would've been bickering over which layout to use that better suited their bike. Performance would've been their main objective... not safety. Want 100% safety, cancel the race. No major change is going to happen in such a short amount of time so their focus will be on how to gain an advantage on Sunday.
IMO only but the biggest story out of it is the commentary that VR had not attended since Sepang (confirmed by riders and journalists) after having attended without failure (one or two reported misses) for years. If the speculation is correct that it is because of MM being in the same room, again IMO but that is petulant, childish and extremely sad where VR does have both experience and pulling power to get genuine safety issues addressed.
If one thing comes out of it, I hope that VR sucks in his pride and starts attending these things again as whether you like him or hate him, his presence will increase the strength of the voice of the riders.
Apparently and according to multiple reports, the riders at the safety meeting did initially vote or speak for a cancellation but Ezpeleta spoke with Salom's family who asked that the meeting go ahead and we have what we have today (source for that is various media reports)
EDIT. IMO again but the bickering would not have been from MM, as after all, back in 2014 he wanted to use the layout that they will now us on the race
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