<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 17 2010, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can't believe this reached page 3 already
Page four now with your help.
Page four now with your help.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 16 2010, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I realize if you are a diehard Rossi fan, your initial reaction is to defend him even when the praise is in this case, not particularly praise worthy. This is why the term "Bopper" exist, because in the face of giving accolade it should at least be something genuinely praiseworthy. In this case, this brief interview left nothing that a regular person would find "brilliant".
Well, until you showed up I had no desire to write in this tread what so ever. Honestly I didn't find much to write about, it's only when you start slaging Rossi (as so often before) and does so by totaly jumping the conclutions. There is no logical compromise by saying you would feel like a traitor by doing something and actually doing it or something similar. You could call it sort of a paradox but it's really just doing soemthing you don't like to do.
I could agree with you that there is nothing brilliant to write home about in the interview but on the other hand there was nothing to criticize either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Babel, I'm trying to be nice, but your reply is weak You have nothing, so you're splitting hairs.
The thread was started with the idea that this interview shows how brilliant as in gracious Rossi is, yet I showed you not only was it far from extraordiary, but rather ungracious and self serving.
Well, let's say you set an extremely high moral goal for some riders in the GP-paddock.
We are all tending to say self serving things or to have goals that might be self serving
but there was little to nothing ungracious or self serving about this interview, that's why we have the term "Hater".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as Loyalty Clauses, this is not imaginary, they exist in contracts because you don't want a guy you are employing to start talking .... about your company if they are dissatisfied for something as lame as giving your co-worker a new contract. If you were Yamaha (seriously, put yourself in their shoes) you would expect professionalism when trying to negotiate a new contract without employee openly talking about going with your competitor. Not only is it in loyalty clauses that you agree to when you sign (and cash your check) but also the league usually has rules against it. I know that in US professional sports, players can not talk to other teams unless given permission, not sure if Dorna has such rules though I imagine they do (besides it being rather unseemly).
I have no doubt what so ever that US players can not say what they want. In the land of the free it's an increasing and up to now accelerating decline in freedom of speech and that's just one of the symptoms.
Unfortunatly Europeans follow US in many regards and I'm sure there are similar terms in Europe but hardly to the same degree, and when it comes to motoGP it's not hard to find precedence for Rossi's critics as "everybody" does it. Makes contracts less interesting me thinks. And I'm sure Dorna have sanction possibilities against strongly disloyal riders/teams but do you really think this interview is even remotely near being punished?
As for the actual critics from Rossi the only lame thing here is you making it sound so trivial.
I agree that some here on the forum are attacking Stoner for almost everything he says but I'm not one of them. At the most I might consider some of his statements to be somewhat self serving
when the actual events speaks heavily against him. In those cases his words might not weigh as much as they usually does and I concentrate on the events rather than his statment.
Well, until you showed up I had no desire to write in this tread what so ever. Honestly I didn't find much to write about, it's only when you start slaging Rossi (as so often before) and does so by totaly jumping the conclutions. There is no logical compromise by saying you would feel like a traitor by doing something and actually doing it or something similar. You could call it sort of a paradox but it's really just doing soemthing you don't like to do.
I could agree with you that there is nothing brilliant to write home about in the interview but on the other hand there was nothing to criticize either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Babel, I'm trying to be nice, but your reply is weak You have nothing, so you're splitting hairs.
The thread was started with the idea that this interview shows how brilliant as in gracious Rossi is, yet I showed you not only was it far from extraordiary, but rather ungracious and self serving.
Well, let's say you set an extremely high moral goal for some riders in the GP-paddock.
We are all tending to say self serving things or to have goals that might be self serving
but there was little to nothing ungracious or self serving about this interview, that's why we have the term "Hater".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As far as Loyalty Clauses, this is not imaginary, they exist in contracts because you don't want a guy you are employing to start talking .... about your company if they are dissatisfied for something as lame as giving your co-worker a new contract. If you were Yamaha (seriously, put yourself in their shoes) you would expect professionalism when trying to negotiate a new contract without employee openly talking about going with your competitor. Not only is it in loyalty clauses that you agree to when you sign (and cash your check) but also the league usually has rules against it. I know that in US professional sports, players can not talk to other teams unless given permission, not sure if Dorna has such rules though I imagine they do (besides it being rather unseemly).
I have no doubt what so ever that US players can not say what they want. In the land of the free it's an increasing and up to now accelerating decline in freedom of speech and that's just one of the symptoms.
Unfortunatly Europeans follow US in many regards and I'm sure there are similar terms in Europe but hardly to the same degree, and when it comes to motoGP it's not hard to find precedence for Rossi's critics as "everybody" does it. Makes contracts less interesting me thinks. And I'm sure Dorna have sanction possibilities against strongly disloyal riders/teams but do you really think this interview is even remotely near being punished?
As for the actual critics from Rossi the only lame thing here is you making it sound so trivial.
I agree that some here on the forum are attacking Stoner for almost everything he says but I'm not one of them. At the most I might consider some of his statements to be somewhat self serving
He's so brilliant. When he speaks, it's like I'm surrounded by a pure white light and enveloped in pure joy. A song is in my heart, angels are beside me, life is bliss.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 17 2010, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's so brilliant. When he speaks, it's like I'm surrounded by a pure white light and enveloped in pure joy. A song is in my heart, angels are beside me, life is bliss.
hold me
hold me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 17 2010, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's so brilliant. When he speaks, it's like I'm surrounded by a pure white light and enveloped in pure joy. A song is in my heart, angels are beside me, life is bliss.
PRAISE THE LORD!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 17 2010, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
PRAISE THE LORD!!!
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 16 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can't believe this reached page 3 already
Well judging from the last three posts, I think this thread has come to its natural conclusion.
DEAD THREAD. (Your wish is coming true Curvy.)
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Mar 16 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i can't believe this reached page 3 already
DEAD THREAD. (Your wish is coming true Curvy.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 18 2010, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry people: LINK
Looks like Rossi is again NOT talking about Ducati move in hopes of putting the squeeze on Yamaha's choice in teammate.
.... you Jumkie, You are a hating unbeliever. You will die in hell, and I will laugh at your misery.
Looks like Rossi is again NOT talking about Ducati move in hopes of putting the squeeze on Yamaha's choice in teammate.
.... you Jumkie, You are a hating unbeliever. You will die in hell, and I will laugh at your misery.
Thanks mate.
the G.O.A.T is always in the center of attention, but never calls himself the greatest, while he has been the greatest of his time.
the G.O.A.T is always in the center of attention, but never calls himself the greatest, while he has been the greatest of his time.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossiofsky @ Mar 18 2010, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks mate.
the G.O.A.T is always in the center of attention, but never calls himself the greatest, while he has been the greatest of ALLtime.
fixed it for ya
the G.O.A.T is always in the center of attention, but never calls himself the greatest, while he has been the greatest of ALLtime.
fixed it for ya
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 17 2010, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's so brilliant. When he speaks, it's like I'm surrounded by a pure white light and enveloped in pure joy. A song is in my heart, angels are beside me, life is bliss.
Rossi is the donut to my inner Homer.
Rossi is the donut to my inner Homer.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 19 2010, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well this went well...
Well done!!
Well done!!
Oh Tom, Tom, Tom! Look what happens when you attempt to appease the Rossi-boppers!
It doesn,t work and then backfires. Despite all the crap you get from Roger and Jumkie, I have always enjoyed your input......................but this thread was a huge mistake.
Jumks has eloquently debunked the honorouble Rossi-mantra. Rossi,s honest position is the one uttered 5 seconds ago. It supercedes all previous utterances. And Rossi,s honourable nature extends as far as ............well you know the story of the guy with short arms and deep pockets.
It doesn,t work and then backfires. Despite all the crap you get from Roger and Jumkie, I have always enjoyed your input......................but this thread was a huge mistake.
Jumks has eloquently debunked the honorouble Rossi-mantra. Rossi,s honest position is the one uttered 5 seconds ago. It supercedes all previous utterances. And Rossi,s honourable nature extends as far as ............well you know the story of the guy with short arms and deep pockets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 19 2010, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well this went well...
Actualy wonder a bit:
A. Did it go as planned?
B. Did it go as expected?
C. Anything else?
Actualy wonder a bit:
A. Did it go as planned?
B. Did it go as expected?
C. Anything else?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Mar 19 2010, 05:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.......but this thread was a huge mistake.
Oh i wouldn't go that far, it was nice for a little while. As Babel points out i expected it to get negative sooner or later.
Oh i wouldn't go that far, it was nice for a little while. As Babel points out i expected it to get negative sooner or later.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 19 2010, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i wouldn't go that far, it was nice for a little while. As Babel points out i expected it to get negative sooner or later.
It is the off season after all
It is the off season after all
