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Is it now fact? Rossi the greatest

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 4 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rainey would have handed Mick his ......Schwantz would have kicked ALL their ..... if he would have got of that ....... Suzuki nail
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 4 2008, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rainey didn't have that crash, he would have handed Mick his ......Mick would've NEVER have had that many championships.. ...Schwantz would have kicked ALL their ..... if he would have got off that ....... Suzuki nail
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Dream on.... the suzuki destroyed Schwantz in the end, along with a few others. If a psycho surgeon hadn't of almost amputated Doohan's leg in '92 than he prob would have one 7 in a row.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Sep 4 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dream on.... the suzuki destroyed Schwantz in the end, along with a few others. If a psycho surgeon hadn't of almost amputated Doohan's leg in '92 than he prob would have one 7 in a row.
and id rainey hadnt of broken his back he probably would have got 10
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probably's and maybes are good for fun talk but mean .....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 4 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and id rainey hadnt of broken his back he probably would have got 10
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probably's and maybes are good for fun talk but mean .....
Of course it's all .......it's history. Can't we talk .... anymore? I was sort of enjoying it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Sep 4 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course it's all .......it's history. Can't we talk .... anymore? I was sort of enjoying it.
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me to so yeah carry on
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i just had to say it before you did
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 4 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>me to so yeah carry on
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Well then....just bring back 500cc 2 strokes and 90% of the threads on here would all be pointless....
 
I personally would never try and rate doohan and rainey against each other. As I recall Mick was doing fairly well in 1992 before his crash, although as always how comparable the respective equipment was is difficult to know; on second thoughts perhaps not so difficult in this instance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Sep 3 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dont know about you, but Ive got a lot of years of moto gp to watch yet!!!
Bet they said the same about Ago
I hear ya. And your right you just never know. That is why they play the game and race the race. The technology and the rules and the enforcers enforcing the rules will make the next goat extremely hard to even see if it is possible.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 4 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rainey didn't have that crash, he would have handed Mick his ......Mick would've NEVER have had that many championships.. ...Schwantz would have kicked ALL their ..... if he would have got off that ....... Suzuki nail
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 4 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and id rainey hadnt of broken his back he probably would have got 10
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probably's and maybes are good for fun talk but mean .....

Totally agree that the game of 'what ifs' is fraught with conjecture so won't particpate (although it will sound like it).

It does need to be remembered that Rainey's last championship was won the year MD crashed only to have his leg near destroyed by the Dutch doctors (MD leading by near 50 points at the time from memory). If memory serves me right MD raced the last two races when he could not walk just to try to maintain the lead and win what would have been his first WC.

It then needs to be said that Schwantz's only championship the following year was also won in the season that Rainey sadly broke his back and whilst MD was still recovering from his injuries.

Many can say that MD would have won instead of Rainey and who knows instead of Schwantz (could have been a fit MD or Rainey without the crash), but history will show who did win, not who did not and that is all that counts.

None of this is meant to demean anyone's championship but to instead show that anything can (and does) happen in this sport.




Garry
 
Come on..we all know Valentino Rossi is above all riders in MotoGP thus far regardless of wins, championships, poles, fast laps, etcc. And we all know there is that something missing in those other riders that we cannot find which Rossi possess, so you guys need to quit playing with yourselves and appreciate what we are seeing, a living legend, and not hate on the guy because he is soo dominant and shines brighter than the rest. Of course we have no way to compare riders of different era against eachother but, i'd go out on a limb to say that Rossi is the best ever to ride in MotoGP... and i'm sure you all would agree with me whether you like to admit it or not you Rossi Haters. Yeah, I'm talkin to you guys who root for Max Biaggi, Sete Gibernau, Casey Stoner, Michael Schumacher (formula 1), Alain Prost (formula 1), etcc... You know who you are, always rooting for those who play second fiddle.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 5 2008, 05:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on..we all know Valentino Rossi is above all riders in MotoGP thus far regardless of wins, championships, poles, fast laps, etcc. And we all know there is that something missing in those other riders that we cannot find which Rossi possess, so you guys need to quit playing with yourselves and appreciate what we are seeing, a living legend, and not hate on the guy because he is soo dominant and shines brighter than the rest. Of course we have no way to compare riders of different era against eachother but, i'd go out on a limb to say that Rossi is the best ever to ride in MotoGP... and i'm sure you all would agree with me whether you like to admit it or not you Rossi Haters. Yeah, I'm talkin to you guys who root for Max Biaggi, Sete Gibernau, Casey Stoner, Michael Schumacher (formula 1), Alain Prost (formula 1), etcc... You know who you are, always rooting for those who play second fiddle.

So why does supporting someone other than Rossi make a person a 'Rossi Hater' as you suggest.

And FWIW given that MotoGP has only been in existence for 7 years (2008 is the 7th year) I think it goes without saying that Rossi must be the best of that era.






Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 4 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So why does supporting someone other than Rossi make a person a 'Rossi Hater' as you suggest.

And FWIW given that MotoGP has only been in existence for 7 years (2008 is the 7th year) I think it goes without saying that Rossi must be the best of that era.






Garry

Why you ask? Because it just seems nowadays there are soo many people who would love nothing more than to see someone like a Rossi to fall down and crumble to his knees, for what reason.... I really don't know. Maybe because people who ARE like that were always second best to someone, or always envy someone's success, what it is i can't say and can only speculate. BUT at least give the man his due respect, and appreciate that people who are a shining star can leave their mark so those that come after can even strive to better and one up so we can see what the human spirit is capable of. And by the way, I am not a Rossi fan... or anyone's fan for that matter, because i believe in one's self. Still i can appreciate those that shine above the rest.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 5 2008, 04:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why you ask? Because it just seems nowadays there are soo many people who would love nothing more than to see someone like a Rossi to fall down and crumble to his knees, for what reason.... I really don't know. Maybe because people who ARE like that were always second best to someone, or always envy someone's success, what it is i can't say and can only speculate. BUT at least give the man his due respect, and appreciate that people who are a shining star can leave their mark so those that come after can even strive to better and one up so we can see what the human spirit is capable of. And by the way, I am not a Rossi fan... or anyone's fan for that matter, because i believe in one's self. Still i can appreciate those that shine above the rest.


Just because some people wish to criticise Rossi or maybe even not to give him what you feel may be rightful, does not make them Rossi Haters, just as failure to give another rider credit should not see those people labelled.

Everyone has their right to an opinion and there are a number who may not feel that Rossi is the 'king' for whatever reason they so choose or believe, and that is their right.

Personally, I do not believe him to be the greatest of all-time but would place him into teh discussion of who is the greatest of all-time. Does that make me a 'Rossi hater'?

I have been watching GP racing now for near 25 or so years (and I bet that is far less than many) and in that time I have seen many riders come and go. Sadly some have left well before their time and sadly some have stayed on well beyond when they should have left. But all have the same thing in common, the ability to ride a motorcycle far better than I and 99% of the population and for this they all should be admired and given due credit.

I seriously doubt that many posters truly 'hate' any of the riders in todays MotoGP as you cannot hate that which you do not know.

Certainly I suspect that a number of posters would like to see Rossi fail (just as a number want and will Stoner to fail, and Hayden last year ........ sound familiar). Some of these posters would be participating in the well known (in Australia) tall poppy syndrome, whilst others just prefer that their sport experience variety.

Sadly it is the way of the world that whilst ever someone achieves, many want to knock them down, but that only reflects on the individuals doing the kocking down.





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 5 2008, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just because some people wish to criticise Rossi or maybe even not to give him what you feel may be rightful, does not make them Rossi Haters, just as failure to give another rider credit should not see those people labelled.

Everyone has their right to an opinion and there are a number who may not feel that Rossi is the 'king' for whatever reason they so choose or believe, and that is their right.

Personally, I do not believe him to be the greatest of all-time but would place him into teh discussion of who is the greatest of all-time. Does that make me a 'Rossi hater'?

I have been watching GP racing now for near 25 or so years (and I bet that is far less than many) and in that time I have seen many riders come and go. Sadly some have left well before their time and sadly some have stayed on well beyond when they should have left. But all have the same thing in common, the ability to ride a motorcycle far better than I and 99% of the population and for this they all should be admired and given due credit.

I seriously doubt that many posters truly 'hate' any of the riders in todays MotoGP as you cannot hate that which you do not know.

Certainly I suspect that a number of posters would like to see Rossi fail (just as a number want and will Stoner to fail, and Hayden last year ........ sound familiar). Some of these posters would be participating in the well known (in Australia) tall poppy syndrome, whilst others just prefer that their sport experience variety.

Sadly it is the way of the world that whilst ever someone achieves, many want to knock them down, but that only reflects on the individuals doing the kocking down.





Garry

Good post Garry. Not that it matters but out of curiosity, who do you class the greatest?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 4 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just because some people wish to criticise Rossi or maybe even not to give him what you feel may be rightful, does not make them Rossi Haters, just as failure to give another rider credit should not see those people labelled.

Everyone has their right to an opinion and there are a number who may not feel that Rossi is the 'king' for whatever reason they so choose or believe, and that is their right.

Personally, I do not believe him to be the greatest of all-time but would place him into teh discussion of who is the greatest of all-time. Does that make me a 'Rossi hater'?

I have been watching GP racing now for near 25 or so years (and I bet that is far less than many) and in that time I have seen many riders come and go. Sadly some have left well before their time and sadly some have stayed on well beyond when they should have left. But all have the same thing in common, the ability to ride a motorcycle far better than I and 99% of the population and for this they all should be admired and given due credit.

I seriously doubt that many posters truly 'hate' any of the riders in todays MotoGP as you cannot hate that which you do not know.

Certainly I suspect that a number of posters would like to see Rossi fail (just as a number want and will Stoner to fail, and Hayden last year ........ sound familiar). Some of these posters would be participating in the well known (in Australia) tall poppy syndrome, whilst others just prefer that their sport experience variety.

Sadly it is the way of the world that whilst ever someone achieves, many want to knock them down, but that only reflects on the individuals doing the kocking down.





Garry

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you are a Mick Doohan fan?? With that said...just for the sake of arguing, in your opinion, do you really think MicK Doohan can take it to Rossi IF they were to race against eachother, whether it be from Doohan's era or Rossi's?? And expalin your reason....This, of course is all a matter of opinion, but I would just like to know how you see things because as you said, you have been following MotoGP for 25 years, much longer than I have.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 5 2008, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you are a Mick Doohan fan?? With that said...just for the sake of arguing, in your opinion, do you really think MicK Doohan can take it to Rossi IF they were to race against eachother, whether it be from Doohan's era or Rossi's?? And expalin your reason....This, of course is all a matter of opinion, but I would just like to know how you see things because as you said, you have been following MotoGP for 25 years, much longer than I have.

I am of course a fan of Doohan, but also others of that era (Lawson, Rainey etc) plus bygone and current eras, but for me MD, Lawson and Rainey are the pick and my personal faves (throw Spencer in as well) as I could watch races from that era for hours.

I won't get involved in conjecture as to who would win as it is just pure speculation and really we can never know as it is the nature of sports.

What I would say is that IMO many riders of bygone eras would do just as well today, much as many of todays riders would do well in the bygone era. I say this because with very few exceptions, the true cream of riders have ability, perception and the will to be the best no matter what they are riding. The basic tenets of bike racing have not changed, only the equipment has improved and evoled just as the riders had to throughout their careers.

In short, if I had to say lets call it a dead heat.
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Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on..we all know Valentino Rossi is above all riders in MotoGP thus far regardless of wins, championships, poles, fast laps, etcc.

Well in that case I think Nicky Hayden is the greatest of all time. .... with that genius logic of yours, I have no doubt it is now fact, Hayden is the best!

Uhm, Ago's championships and wins counted with a NASA adding machine are not that impressive I guess.

You see how dumb you sound? I doubt it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And we all know there is that something missing in those other riders that we cannot find which Rossi possess, so you guys need to quit playing with yourselves and appreciate what we are seeing, a living legend, and not hate on the guy because he is soo dominant and shines brighter than the rest.

Ah, so that explains it. He is like a shining star. How eloquent for an elementary kid. Hey you cracked the code, he is better because of that "missing" something.

Of course we have no way to compare riders of different era against eachother but,

But what? I bet you are gonna try. Let me see, so you say he is the best ever ever, yes he shines so bright he is the bestest. (Uhm, isn't that like you comparing him to other riders of past eras and deciding for yourself that he just is better than all of them?) Oh wait, you said its impossible to compare, but you I guess are the only one who can.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'd go out on a limb to say that Rossi is the best ever to ride in MotoGP... and i'm sure you all would agree with me whether you like to admit it or not you Rossi Haters.

Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and say your disguise of pretenting to be a Shinya fan while clearly being a Rossi cult follower is a thin disguise you newbe. Do you ever talk about Shinya? Haha, yeah, I've caught on to your lame trick. What is it about these alter boys at the tabernacle of Rossi so easily exposed? Yeah, you really made a great case for him being the "best". Lets see, you disregard wins, titles, poles etc. Soooo, that is irrelevant (according to you of course). So what is left, oh, he is a bright shiny object, and if we don't agree well that just shows we are "haters". Man, you nailed it, you are ready for the Special Olympics Debate Team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'm talkin to you guys who root for Max Biaggi, Sete Gibernau, Casey Stoner, Michael Schumacher (formula 1), Alain Prost (formula 1), etcc... You know who you are, always rooting for those who play second fiddle.

Oh lord, the hostility. Yeah, there are so many Biaggi and Gibernau fans here. I wonder what these three all had in common, oh yeah they dared to challenge the shining star Rossi. But to throw in Schumacher & Prost, etc, is just genius. I'm sure your imaginary friend gave you the thumbs up on that one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 4 2008, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In short, if I had to say lets call it a dead heat.
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Ah get off the fence Gary. Come on, tell us your choice for the GOAT. Mine is Hayden. What is yours?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 5 2008, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah get off the fence Gary. Come on, tell us your choice for the GOAT. Mine is Hayden. What is yours?


My choice is Hopper, probably the biggest goat in GP ever, although I have seen a couple of goats with more GP potential than him. And possibly a sheep, and a cow, but they don,t have the sponsorship potential.

None of them have pearly whites in the same league either, gotta give him that.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Sep 5 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My choice is Hopper, probably the biggest goat in GP ever, although I have seen a couple of goats with more GP potential than him. And possibly a sheep, and a cow, but they don,t have the sponsorship potential.

None of them have pearly whites in the same league either, gotta give him that.

Pete

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