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Is it now fact? Rossi the greatest

I agree that to see Rossi win a world title on a Ducati would be something special.

On a different tangent, although Mick Doohan might not quite be there with Ago & Rossi in the GOAT discussion, I believe holding the record, of 12, for most wins in a season makes him the most dominant rider at his peak. His peak and career just weren't as long.
 
Rossi will never win ago's championships... Ago raced in 2 or 3 different classes on the same day!
 
I agree that Rossi is the greatest of the modern era, is kinda hard to compare both of them, the 68 68 is a fair compare since is in the GP category or the highest, since Agostini won the races in a more diferent way than it's raced right now
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 2 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah me to I just wish he was on the Ducati so I could and the rest of Italy could bask in the greatness that is Italian! Well he has 2 more years with Yam so there is always that outside hope that he will ride for his home.


From where we (the outside world) look at it, it looks like Rossi is much more loved by Italians than Ducati. Or at least yesterday he had more supporters than Ducati.
 
I suppose the answer really depends on the criteria used or whether you use personal judgement, bias gut feel or any other of aspects.

For me, there can be no argument that he is the greatest of the four stroke era and the last decade or so, but greatest of all time is a big call as it is so difficult to rate against bygone eras and technologies.

If I let my personal judgements and bias interplay, the answer is NO, but then I am heavily biased to the two-stroke 500cc era and consider a number of those riders superior to today's.

Certainly Rossi is there, he is in the mix, he simply has to be, but I am not convinced that he deserves the all time Greatest line or title.

Harsh maybe, biased yes, but then I am a hard marker and my leanings to teh 500cc era just weigh to heavily.





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Sep 2 2008, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>although Mick Doohan might not quite be there with Ago & Rossi in the GOAT discussion, I believe holding the record, of 12, for most wins in a season makes him the most dominant rider at his peak.
I really wanted Rossi to tie or beat this in 2005 when he got to 11 wins (and wasn't it consecutive wins?).
 
Yes, Rossi is the best on the best equipment ever. When he wasn't, he lost.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Rossi is the best on the best equipment ever. When he wasn't, he lost.
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And so everybody else. Otherwise they couldn't give their 100%.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Rossi is the best on the best equipment ever. When he wasn't, he lost.
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dont make me fly back over there to kick your ...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Rossi is the best on the best equipment ever. When he wasn't, he lost.
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lol so the M1 2004 was the best bike out there ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Sep 3 2008, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol so the M1 2004 was the best bike out there ?

Well in the right hands the 04 Yam was able to dominate the championship, while all the other riders found it challenging to ride, with the best of them getting 7th overall despite being a GP winner.

The story was exactly the same with Ducati last year, and people are generally convinced that bike was the best by a distace.
 
To me it´s not just about number of title wins or race wins but also about the riding. I don´t know the stats but it would be nice to see how many times each of them came from behind to win a race or a championship. If one just crused to more victories then the other. Anyone know these stats?

Of course the whole different eras, diferent bikes, diferent rules complicates the issue more then just a little bit. So I agree with the best in the world of the modern era for sure.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 3 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well in the right hands the 04 Yam was able to dominate the championship, while all the other riders found it challenging to ride, with the best of them getting 7th overall despite being a GP winner.

The story was exactly the same with Ducati last year, and people are generally convinced that bike was the best by a distace.

Considering that "people" here include observers, ex-racers, motor jounalists in a vast majority, you woudn't even consider that it might have been major differences in '04 compared to '07?
Thought not. No racer or insider are gonna tell Tom, the armchair expert how it really is.

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Just my opinion but I believe that Rossi would have won the '04 title on the Honda so... like the Duc '07 the Yam was only the best bike IF it had the right pilot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 3 2008, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Considering that "people" here include observers, ex-racers, motor jounalists in a vast majority, you woudn't even consider that it might have been major differences in '04 compared to '07?
Thought not. No racer or insider are gonna tell Tom, the armchair expert how it really is.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 3 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just my opinion but I believe that Rossi would have won the '04 title on the Honda so... like the Duc '07 the Yam was only the best bike IF it had the right pilot.

That is my point right there. Any bike that wins the title has done its job, but it might not necessarily have been able to do that without the right people on the team and doing the riding. Simple
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 3 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well in the right hands the 04 Yam was able to dominate the championship, while all the other riders found it challenging to ride, with the best of them getting 7th overall despite being a GP winner.

The story was exactly the same with Ducati last year, and people are generally convinced that bike was the best by a distace.
im not sure if it was the "best" bike but it was the fastest, hard to forget the 07 Chinese gp.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 3 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im not sure if it was the "best" bike but it was the fastest, hard to forget the 07 Chinese gp.

I'm not sure it was the best myself either, but it certainly was the fastest. However you don't have to watch a lot of racing to work out that straight line speed is only one of many important performance parameters. The Desmos were the quickest every year from the beggining in 03, and there are plenty of other examples of the quickest bike on the straights not being the best.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 3 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure it was the best myself either, but it certainly was the fastest. However you don't have to watch a lot of racing to work out that straight line speed is only one of many important performance parameters. The Desmos were the quickest every year from the beggining in 03, and there are plenty of other examples of the quickest bike on the straights not being the best.
not worth a reply. been debated over and over, why you keep going there ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 3 2008, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>not worth a reply. been debated over and over, why you keep going there ?

Populistic and oversimplified "truths" are usually best promoted by endless repeats.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 3 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Populistic and oversimplified "truths" are usually best promoted by endless repeats.

Just like "rain is an equalizer"
 

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