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Interesting Read: Rookies, TC, 800s, fuel

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 24 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again I say that the "naysayers" are just plain pissed because their rider is not at the top anymore ..... why else would be get such ridiculously incrrect arguments about TC and electronics these days??
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It takes one to know one doesn't it? But even that doesn't guarantee the you recognize one, it just proves you definatly are one.
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BM...I don't recall ever saying I'm pissed because my guy isn't up front. I'm saying too many electronic gizmos on the 800's have taken the control away from the riders. Rookies can come into MotoGP and adapt quickly and run up front and even win. This is a new trend from where I see it, it wasn't easy in days past for a new rider to jump into the series and win and contend for a championship. If a former F1 champ can jump on a MotoGP bike and turn respectible laps it has to make you wonder. Could that same F1 champ jump on a 990 or a 500 two stroke and done the same thing....it's debatable, but I seriously doubt it.

You see things from your perspective and I see them from mine, that is why we have this forum to discuss them. But don't assume I'm pissed because my rider isn't up front, I just want the control back in the riders hands, at the moment it's not.

And by the way, I like Stoner, so try again with that assumption.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Apr 24 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rookies can come into MotoGP and adapt quickly and run up front and even win. This is a new trend from where I see it, it wasn't easy in days past for a new rider to jump into the series and win and contend for a championship.

Remember Pedrosa in 06? Or Rossi in 00?

I don't know if it's the riders being better prepared, or if the bikes are getting easier year after year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 24 2008, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if it's the riders being better prepared, or if the bikes are getting easier year after year.

Dunno either, is very debatable. I for one think preparation can only get you so far.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 24 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember Pedrosa in 06? Or Rossi in 00?

I don't know if it's the riders being better prepared, or if the bikes are getting easier year after year.

IMO its both.

motorcycle design philosophy over recent years has been to make the rider more comfortable. this makes it easier for him to push nearer to the limits of the bike/tyres for longer and consequently lap times improve and stay more consistent over a race distance. and this has been achieved by better suspension, tyres ,bike ergonomics and power delivery/engine management.

riders are also better prepared, especially physically for the rigours of moto gp but the mental aspect has probably had quite an impact on how a rookie approaches their first season or two..

plus rossi and pedrosa are fairly special talents too!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Apr 24 2008, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO its both.

motorcycle design philosophy over recent years has been to make the rider more comfortable. this makes it easier for him to push nearer to the limits of the bike/tyres for longer and consequently lap times improve and stay more consistent over a race distance. and this has been achieved by better suspension, tyres ,bike ergonomics and power delivery/engine management.

riders are also better prepared, especially physically for the rigours of moto gp but the mental aspect has probably had quite an impact on how a rookie approaches their first season or two..

plus rossi and pedrosa are fairly special talents too!
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Good post.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Apr 24 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just want the control back in the riders hands, at the moment it's not.

But why do you say this is a recent thing? Read that article again, surely you get it by now ..... Electronics is not a new thing and it can hardly be blamed for a change that you don't like, especially since its logically had less of an affect on smaller less powerful bikes.

I don't get why this myth still persists ..... its so illogical.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 24 2008, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"MotoGP has been dumbed down" ...nuff said...

Well I was typing up a long post so that you could understand BM, but I think this pretty much says it all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 24 2008, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It takes one to know one doesn't it? But even that doesn't guarantee the you recognize one, it just proves you definatly are one.
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I don't understand what you are saying here ...??
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But I think you are suggesting I don't like the current formula either?? .... no ..... I'm fine with it .... I don't need 2 strokes again nor 990's?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 24 2008, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>haha thats the biggest load of crap
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How long have you been following GP? maybe you should go back to watching womens bowling, or cricket, or curling...whatever crap you guys watch over there..definitely not GP ?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 25 2008, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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How long have you been following GP? maybe you should go back to watching womens bowling, or cricket, or curling...whatever crap you guys watch over there..definitely not GP ?
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Watching ....?? can't remember when they first televised it here??

Following .... that'd be 66
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How about you?

Edit: never mind ..... judging by the "XXsomethingXX" name .... it kind puts you in the youngy age group? am I right? .... I think lets just say I win there
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by how many generations ... its probably best not to say
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 24 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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How long have you been following GP? maybe you should go back to watching womens bowling, or cricket, or curling...whatever crap you guys watch over there..definitely not GP ?
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Now that you mention it, cara honeychurch of australia was professional women's bowling association champion eight times
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. You can't blame us, its a US sport.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 24 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Watching ....?? can't remember when they first televised it here??

Following .... that'd be 66
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How about you?

Edit: never mind ..... judging by the "XXsomethingXX" name .... it kind puts you in the youngy age group? am I right? .... I think lets just say I win there
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by how many generations ... its probably best not to say
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typical dip .... answer...66 he says, i'm sure
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or do you mean 66 months?
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I'm well beyond the "youngy" age group son...and your judging sucks ... about as much as your GP opinions... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 25 2008, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>typical dip .... answer...66 he says, i'm sure
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or do you mean 66 months?
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I'm well beyond the "youngy" age group son...and your judging sucks ... about as much as your GP opinions... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif


well lets hope Motogp doesn't get too "dumbed down" for you "Pops"
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Here's one for you ... take any snapshot/photo/image from several years racing in the past.. Place them side by side and tell me there isn't one inalienable fact that the older they image the cruder the bikes/racing ....... the more and more I here the whinging and sooking about motogp I realise there is a lot of "brat prattle" from the fans these days
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 24 2008, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well lets hope Motogp doesn't get too "dumbed down" for you "Pops"
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Here's one for you ... take any snapshot/photo/image from several years racing in the past.. Place them side by side and tell me there isn't one inalienable fact that the older they image the cruder the bikes/racing ....... the more and more I here the whinging and sooking about motogp I realise there is a lot of "brat prattle" from the fans these days
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WTF does that have ANYTHING to do with the sport now, and what this topic is about?...well no .... if we look at the bikes from the past they look crude..what a ground breaking observation you just made...fact IS Mr. Moto GP Historian...NEVER in the HISTORY of Motorcycle Grand Prix racing have the bikes been refered to as "EASY TO RIDE"... pendejo
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 25 2008, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WTF does that have ANYTHING to do with the sport now, and what this topic is about?...well no .... if we look at the bikes from the past they look crude..what a ground breaking observation you just made...fact IS Mr. Moto GP Historian...NEVER in the HISTORY of Motorcycle Grand Prix racing have the bikes been refered to as "EASY TO RIDE"...

"Brat Prattle" again ....

You said it was "dumbed down" now ..... in reference to when .... the past ....
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well I reckon the six cylinder hondas would have been easier, if you ask me, and I personally would have less trouble with a 500 than these new 800 4 strokes .... with all the high tech setup ..... sure I could ride one .... but I bet I would take ages to really learn how to set one up and ride it to benefit from my setup!! .... thats the new bikes ..... they take a lot more work to ride well. The 990's well I think you could have afforded to have a few mistakes in setup .... they had power that could be used to mask other areas of defiencies .... but to get more out of a lesser bike ....... thats riding. ...... Pajero!
 

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